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miscusi
January 3, 2007, 09:43 PM
I am shocked at the prices of these types of rifles, even as a kit it is very expensive. I used to use a M16a2 when I was in the army, I kind of miss having one around. I know the ones I buy now dont have auto or 3 rd burst like that but I just want one.

I basically want one for no reason, maybe shoot it once a month, 20 rounds. It dont need to be heavy duty, dont need to really be accurate, it just need to be just what it needs to be... a real gun.

So anyone know where I can get the world's cheapest M16 ? some made in 3rd world country by underpaid starving laborers ? I need as cheap as can get.

I'm beggin here.. anyone knows of some made in nowhere brand that wont blow up in my face ?

I just want to hang it on the wall... hmm... airsoft ? no NO...

Also, I have a C &R so anyone knows of any really old ones that is legal ( non auto ) ??

MY LORD PLEASE I'M DESPERATE....

miscusi
January 3, 2007, 10:10 PM
seems like this is my only viable option..

http://images.andale.com/f2/116/107/25038274/1152368099482_M16_A1d.jpg

ebay airsoft for around 30 bucks....

VUPDblue
January 3, 2007, 10:15 PM
What is your targeted budget for such a piece? Give us an idea of what you want to spend, and we can advise you of your best route.

UniversalFrost
January 3, 2007, 10:19 PM
First off in NYC you can not have one in the city. Their are a couple of gun stores outside the city that offer the option of storing the rifle for you (most want you to buy from them for this option to be in effect). For a low priced rifle you can look at used DPMS, STAG or EAGLE units. Check out gunbroker, auctionarms, or guns america for any deals. Sometime you can get a steal on one for around $500, but you are most likely gonna pay around $700 for one that has a couple hundred rounds down the barrel.

If you want to biuld one then you can piece one together for around 500 on the cheap or around 700 with quality parts. Plus building one lets you really "know" the gun. I have posted complete instructions here in the past (see my previous threads or just search here). Also AR15.com has an excellent guide with photos that I linked to as well in the past. Other than a few special (and essential) tools you can put one together by yourself.

shaggy
January 3, 2007, 10:49 PM
Getting any gun in NYC is going to be tough...and an AR15 or M16 will be impossible. Disregarding that minor setback for a moment, a full-auto AR15 or M16 is going to run you serious cash - $9,000-10,000 bare minimum. You would have to form a corporation in a state like Pennsylvania which allows machineguns, and buy it through the corporation as a corporate asset. The gun would have to stay in that state unless you filed a form 5320.20 with BATFE to move it interstate, but if its to NYC or any end destination where the state or local law doesn't allow it, the form will not be approved.

For a semiauto AR15 you'll need to get a permit from the city to have the rifle in your home before you can even purchase it, but that won't be approved either. You can get rifles in the city, but hi-cap mags are not legal nor are most or the guns that take them. That said, I had a friend in Brooklyn who was able to get an HK SL8, but now you're back to more money than a cheap AR15.

jimbob_rebel
January 3, 2007, 11:35 PM
Shaggy wrote; "You would have to form a corporation in a state like Pennsylvania which allows machineguns, and buy it through the corporation as a corporate asset. " O.k., This is interresting..........Is a "corporation" permitted to buy FA weapons produced after May 19, 1986 ? Per the McClure-Volkmer Act of 1986, civilians are prohibited from possessing full-auto firearms manufactured after May 19, 1986. http://www.gunlawnews.org/FOPA-86.html I wouldn't mind picking up something FA but I'm not real interrested in blowing 5 grand minimum for a pre-'86 sub gun.

miscusi
January 4, 2007, 04:19 AM
my gawd.... that is alot of BS to have to go through.

Very basic, I applied for a rifle and shotgun permit a while back, it is taking forever.. i currently have a handgun premis permit along with a C&R for the midwayusa discounts.

( YEs my sole purpose for getting the C&R is the discounts )

I would like to have an AR15 Semi auto. just for fun. I have a glock 19 for general target fun, will get a shotgun 12GA for "home defense" once the permit comes in ( taking forever )... So this AR15 is for old times sake, I used to clean that freaking M16 every day, carry it for miles and miles in my hands, on a sling, in my pocket, I shot all sorts of targets with it, I even fired it with no earplugs once and WOW it was loud. I shot some pretty tight groups with that sucker... lots of memories.. SO I just would like to have one around, nostalgia and all...

As cheap as I can get one, no hurry though, that permit is taking freaking forever.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

shaggy
January 4, 2007, 04:25 AM
Jimbob -

Unfortunately just forming a corporate entity as a vehicle to buy NFA weapons does not allow you to get pre or post samples - you can still only buy transferable machineguns just like any other individual. It merely provides a method to buy them if you live in a state or locality that prohibits NFA weapons, or in a locality where you can't get a signoff on the form 4.

GunLoverr
January 4, 2007, 08:15 AM
Get an AK clone then. It looks better anyway, because you KNOW it will work. When I see an AR I think "problems." Not problems in the first few hundred rounds, but AFTER that.

Lycanthrope
January 4, 2007, 08:20 AM
You can build a kit gun for under $600. Otherwise, shop around and build it over time with some deals. They can be found, it just takes some time.

1BadF350
January 4, 2007, 08:28 AM
Get an AK clone then. It looks better anyway, because you KNOW it will work. When I see an AR I think "problems." Not problems in the first few hundred rounds, but AFTER that.

After that what? I have thousands of rounds through my AR rifles without one problem.

Clayfish
January 4, 2007, 08:43 AM
Get an AK clone then. It looks better anyway, because you KNOW it will work. When I see an AR I think "problems." Not problems in the first few hundred rounds, but AFTER that.

This guys obviously never owned an AR.:barf:

VUPDblue
January 4, 2007, 09:35 AM
A quick clean-up after a range trip keeps mine working just fine. After every third or so outing, I do a complete cleaning. This is how I treat almost all my guns, not just the AR, so it is no more of a pain than cleaning the 10/22 or the bolt-actions. If you have the right cleaning tools, ie: chamber brush and gas tube brush, life will be much easier when it comes to cleaning. This has kept my AR's running fine after several thousands of rounds.

Clayfish
January 4, 2007, 10:19 AM
My Ar never required anything but a quick whipe down and a bore snake. As a matter of fact I decided to do a torture test and put several thousand down the tube with no cleaning at all. This test was over about 6 months and included a case of brown bear ammo. I never had a failure of any kind and I gave up and whiped down once again. I've never cleaned a gas system on an Ar so I couldn't tell you how much of a pain it is. Not that I don't know how it's just that I've never needed to. I've seen just as many Aks jam as I have Ars so who's playing the gun snob around here? An Ak is a great weapon but I wouldn't take one over an Ar. Let's stop turning this thread into and Ar vs. Ak rant. There are enough of those going around.

Csspecs
January 4, 2007, 10:23 AM
I don't think you can even have the airsoft gun in NYC.

ALL firearms have problems and must be cleaned, the AR-15 is no different. You will not find a firearm that never needs to be cleaned, AKs might be close but they are not perfect either.

AK103K
January 4, 2007, 10:37 AM
That's about what a gun owner SHOULD do, but the problem with ARs is that you HAVE to do it that way. I don't trust a battle rifle that causes me to take my attention from the battle and put it on my tool. Always having in the back of my mind whether it's time to clean after a few hundred rounds is not good battlefield tactics.
I dont know what kind of AR your using, but I've shot my Colt, and Armalites well past a few hundred rounds at a sitting and never had any issues. My Colt has shot well over a 1000 rounds at a sitting, and more than just a few times too, most of which were rapid fire from a number of shooters, and again, never an issue. I've also shot more than a few M16's over the years, and never remember having any troubles. What are you basing your claims of troubles on?

I own both AR's and AK's, shoot both on a regular basis, and both work well. The AR's are more reliable and the AK's more accurate than the internet experts will always tell you. If you have one that wont work, you either have a bad example, or its a personal problem, or both. There are a lot of crappy copies of both examples (and others) out there, which seems to be where most who post seem to have picked up their experience.(if they actually really have any decent amount of hands on experience with any) Any of the actual weapons, produced by military contract, or their makers, that they are based on, have always been reliable and more than combat accurate.

1BadF350
January 4, 2007, 10:56 AM
That's a cheap and lazy assumption. I own an AR pistol that I had build and I had two bushies that I traded for my car.

That's great. I have 5 Rock rivers in various configurations, 3 of which I built myself. Not one of them jams.....ever. I've let them sit between 2-3 range sessions WITHOUT cleaning and they still have never jammed.
If yours are jaming then YOU didn't build it right.

miscusi
January 4, 2007, 11:36 AM
I don't think you can even have the airsoft gun in NYC.

I wouldnt be suprised, so please, if any NYC politiction ie Guliani, runs for office where you are, vote against them. thank you

constitution
January 4, 2007, 11:52 AM
I have a factory built bushmaster carbine model that I orderd back in 91 and it has been shot quite a bit,I only had the gas key come loose because of my foolish tinkering to clean it down to every last part when it first arrived:D .After it has had its initial cleaning, it gets the standard cleaning any of my guns get and has held up fine.


No malfunctions,and hits what Im shootin at.I cant ask for more.As far as cheap goes,make sure its legal where you live and then get a barrel'd upper that has had the gas tube and sight already on the barrel,itll save headaches later on.A piece here and there and eventually youll have one.

OBIWAN
January 4, 2007, 12:15 PM
The AR platform is not nearly as maintenance intensive as some would have you believe

A well built rifle will require much less tender loving care than most eveyone here gives them

A poorly built rifle will go down no matter how much life support is applied

Desert Heat
January 4, 2007, 12:19 PM
Get an AK clone then. It looks better anyway, because you KNOW it will work. When I see an AR I think "problems." Not problems in the first few hundred rounds, but AFTER that.

Sounds like you are in wrong part of town, you in a heep of trouble boy!
:p

BUSTER51
January 4, 2007, 12:31 PM
NY.tough break I grew up in NJ and know all about the BS gun laws you have to deal with .your only hope is to move to a state that respects and honors the Constitution.but at least you have great pizza,great bagels,and real danish. unfortuneatly you also have Hillery,Al sharpton and a bunch of left wing morons in charge of takeing away you rights .:rolleyes:

miscusi
January 4, 2007, 01:40 PM
rights? you mean I have rights ?

USMCG_HMX1
January 4, 2007, 02:16 PM
I have to concur with everyone else. I have never had a problem with any of the AR-15/M-16A2 models I've fired, and once you know the weapon cleaning it is very easy. Even after range work, a few passes of the bore brush, some oiled patches, and a quick wipe down was all I've ever done until I was done shooting, and then an old bore brush on the locking lugs will remove all the crud in about 5 minutes. Complete cleaning shouldn't take more than 45 mins.

The only time I've had a jam was due to a magazine that was worn out. As soon as I replaced it the rifle never had a problem. I've found that the steel ones can take a bit more abuse than the aluminium ones, but if its worn out replacements can be found almost anywhere.



Kris

Abominable No-Man
January 4, 2007, 03:21 PM
Build one. It's not hard. If you have any kind of mechanical ability, you can assemble an AR. I can't do much for you with your laws, but if you are interested, PM me and I can fill you in more.

Shop around. Everyone wants M-4's lately, sometimes you can find a hell of a deal on used A2-style barrels and stocks.

You don't need to do as much as people say to keep an AR running. If it comes to the point where you have to clean the gas tube that much to keep the rifle running, you need to replace the gas tube. AR pistols have a stodgy reputation for reliability. Some work, some don't. I would personally avoid them, but YMMV.

OBIWAN
January 4, 2007, 04:58 PM
You should never stick anything in the gas tube

It is more likely to cause problems than help in any way

1BadF350
January 5, 2007, 06:47 AM
If your gas tube is getting plugged regularly I would change ammo. Especially if you are using the laquer coated steel cased Wolfe stuff.

Clayfish
January 5, 2007, 08:25 AM
Let's quit giving this gunloverr advice on how to keep his fictional Ars running. He's a troll. Search his history and see where he's saying in one thread that a woman is not smart enough to use a semiauto pistol and in others saying how he hates people who say a certain gun crap but does just that in the shotgun forum and here. Don't give him the time of day anymore.

44 AMP
January 5, 2007, 09:15 PM
NY state has it's own "assault rifle" laws (which they interpret to cover the AR-15 family), and I have no doubt NYC has even more of their own.

Before you worry about finding a cheap AR, find out for sure if you can legally posess one, and if there are any special restrictions on it, if you can. You may be allowed to get a permit for one, but only if it does not have "evil" features (like a bayonet lug, or a flash suppressor, or even a detatchable magazine).

After you find out if you can have one, then start looking into getting one.

miscusi
January 7, 2007, 09:23 AM
I guess I'll go into the gun store here, and ask them if they have AR15 for sale and how much. pretty sure if the law dont allow them here, they gun shop here wont sell them...

miscusi
January 7, 2007, 09:49 AM
found out I can have an AR15 if it like the M16A1 or A2 with no flash suppersor.

the law limites it to only one evil feature, and a pistol grip is already one.

here is the list of banned items


For City of New York: Title 38 of the Rules of the City of New York, § 17-01. Assault Weapons Designated. (a) Pursuant to Subparagraph 7 of Paragraph a of Subdivision 16 of § 10-301 of the New York City Administrative Code, the following makes and models of weapons are determined to be particularly suitable for military and not sporting purposes and are determined to be within the statutory definition of assault weapon as set forth in § 10‑301(16) of the New York City Administrative Code: (1) Models Calico M-900 carbine, Calico M-100 carbine manufactured by American Industries, (2) Models Lightning 25-22, AP-74 manufactured by AMT, (3) Model AR-180 manufactured by Armalite, (4) Model .223 SAC manufactured by Austrian Automatic Arms, (5) Models M-1-SA, 1927-A1-SA manufactured by Auto Ordinance, (6) Model Light 50 82-AL manufactured by Barrett Firearms, (7) Models AR70, BM 59 manufactured by Beretta, (8) Model Assault Rifle manufactured by Bushmaster Firearms, (9) Model SR-88 manufactured by Charter Firearms Industries, (10) Models AR-15 manufactured by Colt, (11) Models MAX-1, MAX-2, K1A1, K2, USAS-12 shotgun manufactured by Daewoo Industries, (12) Models C90, C100, C450 manufactured by DMAX Industries, (13) Model MK-IV carbine manufactured by ENCOM, (14) Models FN-FAL, FN-LAR, FN-FNC manufactured by Fabrique Nationale, (15) Model MAS 223 manufactured by FAMAS, (16) Models AT-9 carbine, AT-22 carbine manufactured by Feather Industries, (17) Models XC-450 AUTO OCARBINE, XC-220, XC-900 manufactured by Federal Engineering Corporation, (18) Models SPAS-12, LAW-12 pump auto shotguns manufactured by Franchi, (19) Model GC HIGH TECH carbine manufactured by Goncz Company, (20) Models HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, PSG-1, G3-SA manufactured by Heckler & Koch, (21) Models UZI-carbine, MINI-UZI carbine, GALIL-ARM, GALIL-AR, GALIL-SAR, GALIL-SNIPER manufactured by Israeli Military Industries, (22) Model PM-30 PARATROOPER manufactured by Iver Johnson, (23) Models AP-74, AP-84, AP-80, AP-85, SPECTRE AUTO carbine manufactured by Mitchell Arms, (24) Models of the Kalashnikov-type semiautomatic, including those manufactured by Norinco (China) and Hungarian Arms, (25) Models NDM-86 SNIPER RIFLE manufactured by Norinco, (26) Model M-14S manufactured by Polytech Industries, (27) Model MINI-14/5F manufactured by Ruger, (28) Models 57-AMT, PE-57, SG550SP, SG551SP manufactured by SIGArms, (29) Model L1A1A manufactured by Small Arms Factory, Australia, (30) Models BM-59, SAR-48, SAR-58, SAR-3, M-1A manufactured by Springfield Armory, (31) Model MK-6 manufactured by Sterling, (32) Model AUG-SA manufactured by Steyer Daimler-Pusch, (33) Models M-76-SA, M-78-SA manufactured by Valmet Corporation, and (34) Model NIGHTHAWK manufactured by Weaver Arms Corporation. Please look in the file library for more information on NYC gun laws.

SR420
January 7, 2007, 09:54 AM
miscusi found out I can have an AR15 if it like the M16A1 or A2 with no flash suppersor.

I have owned two without any muzzle device. A Dissipator and a 20" rifle.
Both were excellent and very accurate - the rifle length was a better shooter.

HTH ~

VUPDblue
January 7, 2007, 10:19 AM
The Sig 556 isn't on their list YET. Get one of those...:D

FrankyCorleone
January 7, 2007, 10:46 AM
Keltec PLR-16

http://www.kel-tec.com/plr16.html


PS they have a rifle version too.

cuate
January 7, 2007, 12:51 PM
I can't afford an AR either, or the high price of the fodder it eats but bought a Bushy M4A3 and overloaded a credit card and will be paying for it monthly for the next 100 years, a small ditto on Ammo although I reload some.

But the bright side, I am proud of that rifle, fire it a few rounds every day out
back in the pasture, love the supurb engineering that developed such a weapon, the different configurations available, and the accuracy. Long live the memory of Mr. Stoner who had the original concept !

And last but not least, living in a free State where I can carry concealed, own so called assualt weapons, and live like Americans were originally intended to live.

hksigwalther
January 8, 2007, 12:32 PM
found out I can have an AR15 if it like the M16A1 or A2 with no flash suppersor.

the law limites it to only one evil feature, and a pistol grip is already one.

A detachable magazine is not an evil feature in NYC?

RobFMJ
January 10, 2007, 11:23 AM
http://www.model1sales.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=KSO200&storeid=1&image=s20postk.gif

No flash hider, no bayonet lug, $460 less stripped lower

shaggy
January 10, 2007, 01:00 PM
A detachable magazine is not an evil feature in NYC?

No, they're simply prohibited. And the application will NOT be approved for ANY AR15 type rifle, regardless of manufacturer.

Uzi4u2
July 4, 2010, 01:10 AM
Its been 3 years. Did you get your Ar-15? Personally, I would have moved from NY. Apparentally, they don't trust their citizens. A criminal would simply drive to another state and buy the AR-15 from a private party. Then they would drive it back to NYC. Don't be surprised it is done all the time. These stupid laws only stop law abiding citizens. They have no affect on criminals. They banned spray paint in Chicago. Who did they stop from buying spray paint? Law abidding citizens. Are the building lining the subway tracks full of graffiti? Hell yes:D

handlerer2
July 4, 2010, 04:58 PM
Have you tried standing on a busy corner with sign, saying will work for AR rifle. Might work around here.

TX Hunter
July 4, 2010, 07:34 PM
I have a feeling that the AR 15 type rifle, will one day be as cheap as the SKS use to be.
If you think about it realisticly, every major manufacturer is cranking them out by the thousands, and they are all selling high.
Sooner, or Later, the market will be so flooded with these things, they will become harder to sell. Then Guess What, they will be a dime a dozen.
Im waiting till that time comes, and enjoying the rifles that are being overlooked right now.

Lordofbarbeque
July 4, 2010, 11:18 PM
Are you guys aware that this is a 3 yr old thread?

TXGunNut
July 4, 2010, 11:42 PM
Yes, but we're really, really bored. ;)

TX Hunter
July 5, 2010, 08:23 AM
I guess I was wrong then, those dang AR 15s and knockoffs, are still outragously high, and selling like water in the destert.
Wish I had bought stock in them could have retired by now.

AK103K
July 5, 2010, 08:28 AM
Me too. I only paid $225 for my then "new" Colt SP1. The again, I only paid $850 for my MP5 too. :D