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Duxman
November 20, 2006, 11:20 PM
Friday night I was driving home with the wife, and because the in-laws could not figure out how to open our back door with the keys provided, they were waiting in the cold - so I rushed home.

Before I knew it - the blue and white lights of the state police were directly behind me. I pulled over 100 yards from my exit.

He approached me from the passenger side door and asked for drivers license and registration - very professional. Since I was carrying at the time - I handed over my license and CCW permit and kept my hands in sight.

The officer thanked me for handing him the CCW permit and asked me if I was carrying and where the weapon was. Told him in was in a shoulder holster under my left armpit, and if it was OK to reach for the registration in the glovebox.

After the exchange of papers, he wrote me a ticket - was very thankful that I shared the CCW permit (Even dropped the speed that he clocked me at so it was below the reckless driving limit).

At the end, the officer even asked me what kind of gun I was carrying - the answer - Walther P99 - after all - we just came from the premier of Bond, James Bond.

I just wanted to say, that this is another reason why I respect the LEO proffessionals out there. Thank you for a job well done. Glad I was able to learn several lesson from TFL -
Dont put your CC weapon in the same place as your registration.
Keep your hands in sight until order by LEO.
Give your CCW permit when you give your license.

Mannlicher
November 21, 2006, 05:28 PM
I prefer 'don't ask, don't tell'.
The last time I was stopped, the moronic FHP trooper dropped my CZ on the pavement when I handed it to him, kept if while he called in my DL, demanded to know why I felt I needed a gun, pulled out the mag, stripped out all 14 rounds, stuffed them into the holster, and handed it back like that. He about died when I pointed out to him that in his zeal to protect himself, he handed me a semi auto with one in the chamber.
I later called FHP and then filed a formal complaint on how that bozo handled the stop. grrrrrrrrrrr

Ben Shepherd
November 21, 2006, 05:44 PM
Depends on your state. In Utah you MUST notify a LEO when approached for ANYTHING official.

revjen45
November 21, 2006, 06:56 PM
I am astonished a cop had you hand him a gun. Usually they don't want your hands anywhere near it. TX requires immediate notification if you're packing; WA does not. I'm with the don't ask, don't tell school of thought. Naturally I would not lie, but as my dear old mother taught me "never volunteer, especially information." I keep my Reichspapieren in a pocket in the visor so any compartment containing a gun does not need to be opened. Yeah, I know it's supposed to be on the person, but drawing from the 4 o'clock position may or may not be easy under some circumstances in a vehicle. (The door posket covered with a hankie allows left hand draw.) I also don't behave in a manner that is likely to make a cop nervous or look like a wastrel.

geneinnc
November 21, 2006, 09:00 PM
You did it by the book in NC. You are required to tell them your carrying; first words out of your mouth.

As for the "no tell" post: Even if your not required to tell, I for one sure don't want a LEO finding I'm carrying by surprize. Who knows what kind of day he's having. If your legally carrying, I can see no reason NOT to tell them.

O6nop
November 21, 2006, 09:24 PM
revjen - I assume you do not have a Texas CHL. If you do, an officer will likely know you have a CHL when he does a check on your license. I think that's a misdemeanor. Carrying in a vehicle without a CHL is legal but I just want it to be clear that Texas CHL holders must identify that to an officer when stopped.

JohnKSa
November 21, 2006, 09:57 PM
In TX, if you are asked by an LEO for ID while carrying, you must, by law, also present your CHL. Your license can be suspended for failing to comply with the law.

They WILL catch you--as noted, when they run your DL, the fact that you have a CHL will be provided to the officer.I am astonished a cop had you hand him a gun.I can't find anything in the original post that suggests he handed the cop a gun.

M1911
November 21, 2006, 11:34 PM
As for the "no tell" post: Even if your not required to tell, I for one sure don't want a LEO finding I'm carrying by surprize. Who knows what kind of day he's having. If your legally carrying, I can see no reason NOT to tell them.Here in MA there is no legal requirement to tell them that you are carrying. I don't offer that information. I don't carry my wallet near my gun, so I can get out my license without flashing.

If the officer asks me to get out of the car, then I certainly will tell them. But otherwise, I won't tell unless asked.

As for why, most people here in MA are anti-gun. That includes more than a few police officers. I know at least one person who was proned out and cuffed during a routine traffic stop after they told the officer they were carrying. In addition, I don't trust most police officers around here to safely handle a 1911.

If I am in a state that requires notification, I will follow the law. In a state that does not require notification, I won't tell the officer unless I need to. YMMV.

BillCA
November 21, 2006, 11:37 PM
John, I think you need reading glasses....

The last time I was stopped, the moronic FHP trooper dropped my CZ on the pavement when I handed it to him,

Now THAT would've made me very upset, especially if it had been one of the S&W's on my permit.

JohnKSa
November 21, 2006, 11:45 PM
Ahhh...

I was looking at the post that started the thread!

Thanks.

jrothWA
November 21, 2006, 11:45 PM
Stop twice in Michigan, first informed the LEO after he gave me a chance to speak. Said okay and didn't look at a thing.
Second stopped for valid speeding, after I pulled into a business parking lot and had interior lights on, LEO approached told per state procedure, he asked for Dl, Registration and CPL. No problem did issue for reduce speed.
As with the population there as some LEO's have an lousy attitude.

rmagill
November 22, 2006, 03:02 AM
My thoughts on this have changed. Where I live (PA), we do not have to say we are carrying but we do need our permit with us. I used to think I would immediately tell the officer I was carrying. However, I have come to the conclusion that I would only mention it if it was relevant (if I have to exit the vehicle, a gun is in the glove box (rarity, but does occasionally happen), etc.).

I came to this conclusion basically to keep things simple. I do not see any reason to possibly add one more element to a traffic stop when it is not necessary. However, recognizing that by being considerate of the officer and his safety I will be doing him a favor, it is a good thing to do, and it goes a long way to help any incident go well, I would inform the officer if it was relevant/soon to be discovered. This way I am up front when necessary, yet I do not over-complicate things. Just my .02.

burnera
November 22, 2006, 03:29 AM
The things you do count.
Never have an attitude with the police, never [outright;) ] lie.

Put the car in park [killing the engine is recommended, but usually overdoing it]
Turn your dome light on
Put both hands on top of your steering wheel.
wait till he approaches to roll your window down.
tell your passengers to shut the eff up unless spoken to.

-has been pulled over innumerous times.



As far as CCW, yeah i'm in the don't ask - don't tell camp. Unless it was required by law of course. I'd also only tell them if they asked, started acting unusual, or i had to get out of the car.

shamus005
November 22, 2006, 07:47 AM
In The People's Republic of Illinois, there is NO CCW.

In Illinois, you have to have an FOID (firearms owners i.d.) card in order to merely touch a gun.

I was taught that when a cop pulls you over, you put your hands in plain view on top of the steering wheel, you totally submit to the officer, and you NEVER give any attitude whatsoever. (Grandma was a NYNY trauma nurse and saw many people who were unpolitie towards the P.D. It's amazing how many people "fall down the stairs" during an arrest. )

A few years back, I was in a traffic stop. At the time, I was a college student, clean cut, neatly dressed. As I handed the cop my license, he spotted my FOID card and asked if I had any weapons in the car. I politely responded that no, I do not have any guns in the car. The cop then ordered me out of the car. I put my hands on the hood of the car, and he frisked me..just to make sure I guess. He then proceeded tio "call it in". After confirming that I was not a fugitive from justice, I was let go. During the whole time I was compliant and polite.

If I was coming home form the range, there would have been a gun in the car, but (following IL law) it would have been unloaded, cased, and in the trunk of the car. Even then, I think this particularly overzealous cop might not have taken that well. I don't know.

there are good cops, but a few are morons.

duckcallinfool
November 22, 2006, 09:47 AM
He about died when I pointed out to him that in his zeal to protect himself, he handed me a semi auto with one in the chamber.


I can't believe you handed him a loaded weapon.

cpaspr
November 22, 2006, 10:07 AM
When the cop orders you to surrender your weapon, you do so, as is. Sounds like Mannlicher simply removed the holster with the gun still in it. Dumb thing for the cop to do, but it sounds like the cop wasn't the brightest bulb in the fixture in the first place.

CDH
November 22, 2006, 11:32 AM
To correct a slight misunderstanding about CHL permits in Texas:

If you are stopped and you are carrying, you MUST give the LEO your CHL license with your driver's license.

If you are stopped and you are NOT carrying, then you do NOT have to give him your CHL license. You will not be ticketed for failing to do so IF unarmed at the time and do not have a gun in the vehicle.

Carter

boondoggle
November 22, 2006, 12:52 PM
Interesting topic.
I have a CCW permit in Florida, what are the requirements for Florida and Alabama as that is where I drive most frequently? It's interesting that this subject or SOP never came up in the training course or in the 10 page permit
specifics and policies.
thx

Mannlicher
November 22, 2006, 06:14 PM
Quote:
He about died when I pointed out to him that in his zeal to protect himself, he handed me a semi auto with one in the chamber.

I can't believe you handed him a loaded weapon.

well friend, he was pretty insistant that he wanted it, so I gave it to him. Cosidering his agitated state, if I had tried to manipulate it, he most likely would have have shot me.

So far as the CZ being loaded in the first place, I trust you realize that most folks that carry, have bullets in the darn thing.

Jason607
November 22, 2006, 11:03 PM
Asking: "why do you need to carry a firearm?" Is complete BS. I don't know what I would say, probally ask the officer why he is carrying a firearm, for protection or controll? Or just say "because I can".

I was watching cops when a guy was carrying illegally, and they asked him why he was carrying, and he said "protecton" and the cop said "Protection from what?" I belive that cop needed to loose his job, because he didn't belive there was any crime, he was just there to bully people. As far as protection, police are worthless, they only are there to point fingers after the crime is commited. How often do police actually stop crime in progress? Not as often as they show up afterwards.

I keep me hands in clear view, and if the officer asks, I say "Yes and it is located _________ and I have a CCW permit." I have only had to do so twice. Otherwise, I don't bring up the subject. If I were asked why I didn't tell them, I would say "I wasn't even thinking of my gun".

buckster
November 24, 2006, 01:21 AM
While in the process of pulling you over the CCW will come up too in my state. So you tell him, right off. The state guy was pro, the other was not, and it does make a difference.

boondoggle
November 24, 2006, 06:15 PM
when an officer runs your tag number, does anyone know if the CCW will come up in the system for the states of Ala and Florida?
gn

Big Calhoun
November 28, 2006, 10:13 AM
To correct a slight misunderstanding about CHL permits in Texas:

If you are stopped and you are carrying, you MUST give the LEO your CHL license with your driver's license.

If you are stopped and you are NOT carrying, then you do NOT have to give him your CHL license. You will not be ticketed for failing to do so IF unarmed at the time and do not have a gun in the vehicle.

Correct, but I had a chance to talk to a Harris County sherrifs deputy while in Houston for holiday and he HIGHLY recommends that even if you're not carrying, although you're not required to do so, you should still present your CHL and just inform them that you are not carrying at the moment.

Basically, he put it blunty "...especially in the rain, no one wants to make any unecessary trips. The favor you do us may get you a favor in return. <wink, nod>"

I'm of the school of thought that if everything is on the up and up and you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to lose by turning over your CHL whether you are carrying or not.

Big Don
November 28, 2006, 01:07 PM
I posed this question to a long time and very good friend, who also has 30+ years as a LEO. Here's his response:
"No, you are not required to present your CCW at the time of a traffic stop in CA. As for the "courtesy" of presenting it, I would think the circumstances and common sense (not included with CCW permit, sorry to say) would be the best guide. If stopped while carrying and the weapon would be exposed by opening the glove box, one should inform the officer that there is a gun in there BEFORE even reaching in that direction and await further instruction from the officer. I rarely get stopped, but if I do I keep my hands on the steering wheel and advise the officer that I'm armed and a PO, AFTER his opening line to me."

RevolverLover
November 28, 2006, 02:57 PM
After reading the post this immediately threw up a red flag.

Friday night I was driving home with the wife, and because the in-laws could not figure out how to open our back door with the keys provided, they were waiting in the cold - so I rushed home.

Now why would you do a thing like that and rush home for the in-laws? ;)

Big Don
November 28, 2006, 04:36 PM
Now why would you do a thing like that and rush home for the in-laws?

Note that he was heading to HIS home. Maybe dad-in-law is the type who'll bust the window open so he doesn't continue to freeze?:p

Doug.38PR
November 28, 2006, 05:14 PM
At the end, the officer even asked me what kind of gun I was carrying - the answer - Walther P99 - after all - we just came from the premier of Bond, James Bond.

I saw Bond carrying and using a Sig P226 in Casino Royal