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Dr_2_B
August 26, 2006, 05:40 PM
Well, I had a little run in with a sheltie today. Yes, shelties are those miniature versions of Lassie that weigh maybe 25 lbs at the most. Well, this is the third time this little SOB has charged me in my own blasted front yard. I was headed out for a walk/jog and had just closed the locked door behind me when I heard him coming from next door, barking like crazy and charging me. I turned and saw I couldn't get back in the house in time, so I pulled the little can of mace out of my pocket. (I left the .45 caliber GLOCK in it's holster on my hip)

Now, let's face it, a twenty-something pound dog is not likely to kill me or even hurt me very bad, but I still don't want the little crap to bite me. I mean, do you know what's involved in preventative treatment against rabies? Six stinkin injections over the course of a month or so. And you can't skip the treatment, because rabies is only fatal 100% of the time if you happen to catch it through an animal bite.

Anyway, over my commands and warnings, the dog swung by me once, twice, three times, and on his fourth time he was about 3 feet from me. And I hit him with the mace. He didn't yelp or make any wild moves, but he did leave immediately. The little boy next door said, "Sorry about that." I was really impressed with the maturity of the kid. I told him it was okay with a smile and told him to make sure the dog was alright.

I'm just worried that the neighbors will hold a grudge or something. They are a different race from me and you know how we try really hard to avoid the appearance of any kind of prejudice or enmity - especialy across racial boundaries. Of course, it's not my job to be a prisoner in my own house either, is it?

If you guys wanna flame me or call me a sissy, let's hear it...

Epyon
August 26, 2006, 05:45 PM
TAKE IT LIKE A MAN, SON! LET THE DOG BITE YOU!! HOW COULD YOU MACE SUCH A SMALL POOR ANIMAL?:D :D :D Actually, even a small dog like that, I wouldn't wanna get bit by. I'd say talk to the neighbor and iron it out somehow, if they're being unreasonable, call animal control would be my next answer, and have others bring it up as a problem too.


Epyon

VirgilCaine
August 26, 2006, 06:07 PM
I hate when that happens. I would've punted the thing, hurt it, then got sued for the vet bill. Or miss it and blow an ACL.

CosmoLover
August 26, 2006, 06:09 PM
Next time, grab it by its scruff and take it to the neigbor. Just say you found this in your yard and wanted to return it. Them seeing you holding their writhing pooch by it's neck may make them reconsider letting their little dog loose. Just don't hurt the poor thing.

tydephan
August 26, 2006, 07:06 PM
Tough call on this one. I understand your situation and would have possibly considered doing the same thing, especially given it was a repeat incident.

However... (and not to make you feel worse or worry more)

I had a dog that barked at anyone that pulled up in my front yard. She was maced by the Utility Company Meter Reader guy because he was afraid of dogs and the mace blinded her permanently. She had to be euthanized.

Maybe your story will have a happier ending.

Esquire M Busterbury
August 26, 2006, 07:54 PM
If it'd been really intent upon biting me I'd have to pull a Morten Andersen and punt kick the little **** to high heaven. If the neighbors wish to complain, they may do so as soon as they control their sharp-toothed furball. But that being said, once upon a time when I was a child, My mom saved a family friend's little furball from a much bigger furball by kicked the ever loving crap outta the offending dog. They haven't spoken since. "You should have let him get eaten! How dare you kick someone else's dog" F'n weirdos...

oldbillthundercheif
August 26, 2006, 08:00 PM
As a former Animal Control employee I can tell you that those dang little dogs are the worst. The nastiest bite I had during that job was from an 18" long little dust-mop looking thing. Pepper-spray is the next best thing to a "control stick" (pole w/ wire noose on the end). Good job hitting it with the spray, those little buggers can be agile. I probably would have shot it :)

Dr_2_B
August 26, 2006, 09:44 PM
Hey Tydefan,

Roll Tide. Yeah, I was afraid of that. I've heard that sort of thing before, but frankly I'd hoped it was rumor. We hear how safe mace is - perhaps it's easier on human eyes. Turns out this was actually a pepper spray. Maybe that's even more gentle. Who knows.

Dr_2_B
August 26, 2006, 09:50 PM
And oh yeah, Thunderchief, I shoulda gone after him with the .45. BLAM, BLAM-BLAM! Eleven loud explosions later, there'd be eleven holes in the yard, and a little dog sitting over there on the driveway laughing at me while he licks himself.

rapier144
August 26, 2006, 09:51 PM
Get a big dog to take with you on your walks and let him have a chew toy the next time it comes in your yard:D .

skeeter1
August 27, 2006, 12:45 AM
I still think a big dog is the best first line of defense. My best buddy has a 98lb Doberman, and I wouldn't want to mess with that dog. Fortunately, the dog likes me, so I don't have anything to worry about.

After the mace, I doubt that dog is going to come near you again. I'm glad you were nice to the neighbor boy.

Now if I could just figure out how to get my neighbor's dog from pooping in my yard. The neighbor seems to (somehow) have trained his boxer to poop in everyone's yard but his own. It's a nice enough dog, but maybe I should mace the neighbor.

revjen45
August 27, 2006, 11:47 AM
The best answer to obnoxious dogs I have found is a Wrist Rocket or similar slingshot with .44 caliber lead pistol balls. No loud report and it packs a good whack. Many moons ago a neighborhood scroot decided that the chrome rally wheels on my 390 GTA were a fine place to urinate, so I loaded up the old Win. .22 pump with birdshot. I got him twice before he got out of the yard and the neighbors called the police. I told the cops it was CO2 pistol and they told me to use something quieter. On his next visit to my yard I nailed him with a .44 cal lead ball out of the slingshot. It was 5 minutes before he recovered to the point that he could drag himself away, and that was his last incursion. Using a firearm in a neighborhood can be more trouble than it's worth. Have you considered a shovel or hoe leaning on the house next to the front door?

kirkcdl
August 27, 2006, 12:37 PM
Couple of ExLax meatballs,and they'll probably replace the dog themselves...:D

dfaugh
August 27, 2006, 02:09 PM
OK, here we go again...

Why is it that everyone that has ever had a dog run up to them barking has been "attacked"?

If a dog is gonna attack you, its gonna do it with little or no warning. If a 25 lb. Sheltie comes after me, I'm gonna laugh in its face (right before I chase it into the next county). Same for a 100 lb. Rotteiler, GSD, Doberman or whatever. If I'm not afraid of a 200 lb. guy ('cause I'm armed or whatever) why would I be afraid of a dog?

Esquire M Busterbury
August 27, 2006, 02:12 PM
Chance of rabies? But please, PLEASE, don't hurt the offending furball...(or shoot them for sport...)

dfaugh
August 27, 2006, 02:23 PM
Chance of rabies?

Chances are slim to none, and slim is outa town. 99.99% of any dogs you're likely to meet are/were pets at some point, and have been vaccinated, While they SAY the vaccination is only good for 3 years, its actually effective much longer. Much greater chance of contracting rabiies from a wild animal than from most dogs.

Esquire M Busterbury
August 27, 2006, 04:17 PM
What if we just don't feel like being harrased by someone's stupid mutt. Either control your dog or watch me kick the crap out of it when it comes it my yard while trying to exert it's dominance over me in my domain. Dog or human, doesn't matter. You come in my yard, start yelling at me and act in a generally threatening manner (even if it's a featherweight fleabag, no matter), you get the same ass-beating therapy. But I would suppose you think even the slingshot far too violent to deal with such a simple little critter.

As for rabies, I don't care. I don't wish to find out the hard way. Just because it probably doesn't have it...screw that.

Moral of the story: If you don't control your dog, this is what will happen. Period. If he wants to come play nice, it's a different story but when they're dead set on being a nuisance...I'm dead set on launching them into the stratosphere.

DanV1317
August 27, 2006, 04:51 PM
Before i was 21 and even though of carrying anything for protection, i was attacked by a rottweiler. let me tell you, it is one of the scariest things when a dog comes charging at you. I didn't kill it, but the car that hit it a few days later did.

moose fat
August 27, 2006, 04:58 PM
:D Or, buy a box of milk bones and make friends with it.

Here in our village rabbies is a real deal. Wild foxes are typically the culpret, usually towards the end of winter when food sources are scarce and the animals resistance to diseases is low.
If there is a case of rabbies it's usually broadcast on the VHF, on posters in public places. The word gets out.

Animals really do foam at the mouth, they are deathly affraid of water, they'll walk in circles and drunkenly and have erratic, aggresive behavior when they are rabbid.

guntotin_fool
August 27, 2006, 05:04 PM
the dog is doing its job, it just has not learned its job very well.

I have found that small dogs can very often just be scared peeless by standing up tall raising your arms and bellowing while you run at it.

Never had that method fail me. never had to repeat it either. DO not cross into their yard, just get it to turn and run.

if you have a few pebbles in your hand and manage to get a couple of hits in with PEBBLES< not baseball sized rocks, marble sized pebbles, even better.


Late at night, Take some of your pee and pore it over the trunks of trees or bushes that the sheltie has ****** on, making sure you start higher, Bigger dog, stronger dog, higher he pees.

swampdog
August 27, 2006, 05:13 PM
I discovered a long time ago that Chihuahuas make excellent footballs. I don't know if a Sheltie is as aerodynamically designed, but if one snaps at me or actually bites me, I'm sure I'll findout. I got pretty good lift on ChiChi awhile back but the little sucker had already bit me. He pulled a flank attack and I think he was trying to hamstring me, the little ...:D

The next time you get charged by a little dog, growl at him and charge back. The results can be comical. If he looks like he wants to carry through, pretend it's a kick-off instead of a field goal.

Dr_2_B
August 28, 2006, 03:16 PM
Guntotin,

You've got me chuckling out loud. The day I get in a pissin' contest with a little dog is the day I check myself into inpatient services. If I'm going out late at night to show a dog who's boss, I'm gonna be serving him an anti-freeze steak.

Actually, I think I just need to suck it up and be the alpha male here. Next time I'm gonna try to charge the little sucker and run him off. It's just that he always catches me off-guard when I'm not thinking. And the kids are around or something and I hate to come off like an SOB.

mvpel
August 28, 2006, 03:24 PM
I got bit by a barely-socialized, extremely expensive hunting dog in Russia. And I'm not talking about a little spaniel, but rather a dog that was bred to run down and kill a deer that had been wounded by a heavily-licensed underpowered rifle. I suppose if I had to get bitten, better by this one than by one of all the wandering strays we saw over there.

stephen426
August 28, 2006, 03:26 PM
I could just lend you my dog for a few days. I have an 85 lb. akita that loves to eat little dogs. She is a real sweet heart with people (as long as I say it is okay first), but she won't take any agression from any dog. As long as the other dog plays nice, she is fine. Any agression on their part will be considered ringing the dinner bell. :D

theDub
August 28, 2006, 03:34 PM
This is just my 2 cents but when im correcting bad behaviour in my dogs i use a small half litre bottle of water with a hole in the top , the next time this dog runs up to you just yell a short sharp command like "STOP" or "OFF MY YARD" and give him nice cold blast of water square in the face.
Its harmless and dogs dont like it after a couple of cold showers the dog will only have to see the bottle in your hand and know not to mess with you.;)

spacemanspiff
August 28, 2006, 03:47 PM
I have NO sympathy at all for animals that get pepper sprayed, beaten down, kicked, or shot because of their aggressive behavior while loose on property not owned by their keeper. It is the keepers fault for allowing the dog to get loose, but I will spray, beat, kick, or shoot any dog that is aggressive and loose from its owner.

I have sprayed several dogs. It should only be counted on as a mild deterrant, to buy you time to make distance or dispatch the dog.

Our local police has several times announced (after loose dogs have been shot by those it attacks) that such a shooting is 100% lawful, as the shooter is in fear for their safety.

DeathRodent
August 28, 2006, 07:21 PM
You did OK but now watch the Dog Whisperer and you won't need the pepper spray at least for shelties and ankle grabbers.

Hey Tydephan, did you put the dog to sleep just because it was blind? Blind dogs can do OK - I have one now (glaucoma) and had one before (cataracts). I've read that dogs smell in color. They can be good house pets even when blind. Heck, my blind basset went swimming in a friends in-ground pool saturday evening - we thought she fell in by accident until she went for a second dip!

Esquire M Busterbury
August 29, 2006, 03:22 AM
"Dog whisperer" is awesome, I find it even applies to small children.

tydephan
August 29, 2006, 08:07 AM
Death,

We put the dog down because she was unable to function. We lived very near a road and she had already wondered out into the road and caused several near-accidents.

But like you say, I have seen dogs that are blind and function fairly normal. In our case it was more to prevent a worse accident.

pumpkinheaver
August 30, 2006, 07:54 PM
Do you not have a leash law in your town? Call the law on the little lap rat.

HCfan
August 31, 2006, 04:20 PM
This is just my 2 cents but when im correcting bad behaviour in my dogs i use a small half litre bottle of water with a hole in the top , the next time this dog runs up to you just yell a short sharp command like "STOP" or "OFF MY YARD" and give him nice cold blast of water square in the face.
Its harmless and dogs dont like it after a couple of cold showers the dog will only have to see the bottle in your hand and know not to mess with you.

:D , if you did that to my dog, she would be your friend. She loves to be sprayed, and if it's in the face she will open her mouth to catch the water to drink.

Same here. I love animals but if the owners can't control them then whatever happens to them is justified. As for being a little dog, the worse lacerations that I've ever had was from a little dog. Almost took off my thumb.

No thank you. Spray and if that doesn't work then it's gun. I will keep my digits thank you very much.

bclark1
August 31, 2006, 08:26 PM
haha, i was just thinking about this sort of stuff! i had a small lab mutt, maybe 30-40 pounds, come at me while i was running the other night. when i stopped and turned he backed down, but he'd been snapping at my heels a few steps. i had no idea where he came from or where he went. crazy dogs.

mbs357
September 3, 2006, 01:23 PM
Just push the button on the bottom and he is rendered limp and helpless.
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EDIT:
Wow, no need to lock threads anymore, just call me. ;)

PythonGuy
September 7, 2006, 06:59 PM
Attacked by a toy dog, sorta
Is this like being kinda pregnant? Good thing we've got guns to protect us tough guys from the "killer" toy dogs!!:p

USP.40
September 7, 2006, 09:51 PM
While out walking my Pitt bull I had a rotty come out of now where and get into it with my dog. They were fighting I had my USP with me but didn't want to shoot the dog first. I grabbed the Rotty by it's collar with two hands and threw it a good distance. I guess it was the adrenaline luckily by that time the owner had run over and I proceeded to cuss him out. I'm not a samll guy 6'2 330 but if that guy didn't run over the next step I would have shot the dog if it didn't leave my dog alone.

PythonGuy
September 8, 2006, 07:36 AM
A "rotty" is not a toy dog, either. I'd imagine anyone walking their dogs should carry pepper spray or the equivalent to defend themselves and their animals.

USP.40
September 8, 2006, 07:52 AM
I do now carry some OC spray with me when I'm out walking. That way I can spray the dog and not have to engage it myself. Then if that doesn't work I can use lethal force as a last resort.

PythonGuy
September 8, 2006, 01:50 PM
Sounds reasonable enough to me. I personally can't stand my neighbors letting their dogs run loose, not because they are vicious, but because of the gifts they leave on the lawn.:mad: Perfect example of liberal schmucks overlooking the laws when they break them, remember when Hillary C had her dog running loose and it got hit by a car or something. Or was that her husband???:D

9mmsnoopy
September 11, 2006, 08:32 AM
Buy or borrow a trap and then "relocate" it to a better part of town(for you).

i like dogs, but not irresponsible dog owners.

popeye
September 17, 2006, 08:37 PM
I can't believe the negativity I'm reading against dogs here. Kick em, punt em, mace em, etc. It's the kid's fault for letting the dog get out. He knows the dogs propencity to act like a nut case. I have a small nut case dog that barks and goes crazy when people run by or cycle by the house. When I only had him for a couple years he got off the leash because I stupidly attached the leash to the ring that held his tags on not the ring on the collar. He saw a young couple walking a Beagle and they were pusing a baby stroller complete with baby. So my dog strains at the leash breaks the ring and charges these people half a block away. They stopped, the Beagle stopped and my dog is dancing around them barking like a maniac. My dog bit no one. A neighbors dog got out the other day and when I caught her she bit me. So I just chained myself to a tree for three weeks. No rabies.

PointOneSeven
September 18, 2006, 12:03 AM
I've set my limit to 45+ lb dogs or pitbulls gnawing on my leg before I'd bust a cap. I predict I will never need to shoot a doggie. Werd.

skeeter1
September 18, 2006, 12:28 AM
Well, I may be talking out of my butt here, but it strikes me that a good hosepipe or "super soaker" would probably discourage most dogs, and no one gets hurt in the process. Well, except for the owner who now has a wet dog to give a bath to! :)

faust
September 18, 2006, 12:51 AM
popeye, your dog went after a couple with a baby in a stroller?

If that were my wife and kid, you would have one dead dog. Don't you think your dog scared the *&^% out of them? That's completely asinine.

I lived with a girl who had a 145 lb dog that she "rescued". I myself am only 145 lbs, and in a fight, my money would be on the dog. I got sick and tired of the thing growling at me when i mowed the lawn and she would say stupid stupid things like "he's just playing" or "he's barking at the lawn mower"

Whatever.

If your dog is charging someone, barking at them, that is *wrong*. That scares the hell out of many people. If it's a yorkie, that's one thing, and they have sharp teeth. But if it's a 145 lb dog, I don't care if it's "Just playing" or "Just protecting its turf". It's going to be one large dead carcass. Why should I risk a bite or worse, when I'm just minding my own business.

Imagine if a 145 lbs person came running at you screaming. You'd go to condition red pretty fast. Same here. Do not justify the dog's behavior.

For the record, I've pepper sprayed at least 2 dogs. It's not an instant stopper, but they seemed to learn. It's *your* dog, the assault charge would be assigned to YOU.

faust
September 18, 2006, 12:55 AM
For the "super soaker" and "64 ounce Big Gulp" crowd... You really think a spray of water is going to stop a large angry charing canine? I'm not willing to bet on it. Maybe you know that *your* dog would respond, but the dog is a stranger to me. I'm not going to risk spraying the thing with a water gun in the hopes that "it doesn't like water".

I can't believe someone would suggest a water gun to defend against an unknown animal.

Tell all the criminals who run from K-9's to try throwing soda at the dog, see if the dog gives a damn.

Nope. Unknown charging barking dog, I'm going for the pepper spray first, while I draw a bead with an actual deadly weapon.

ammoeater
September 19, 2006, 02:32 PM
Ever seen a dog attack? Not pretty. The last thing you want to do is let a charging dog get within 10 feet of you, I don't care how big he is. And if I kill a dog because he was charging me, it's nobody's fault but the owner's. They don't deserve to own a dog anyway if they can't control it.