View Full Version : Which state would you move to?
August 23, 2006, 12:25 AM
I am considering moving out of state after I get out of the police academy.I am a Conservative hunter and Gun nut.So which state would you choose.My demands are for variety of big game and bird hunting,remote areas to rome,horse friendly environment and lack of liberals.Point me to my new home.
August 23, 2006, 12:33 AM
Florida's gun/hunting laws are some of the best. That being said, I am thinking of Tennessee in the near future.
August 23, 2006, 01:53 AM
Eastern washington maybe? All kinds of stuff to shoot at. Stay away from the west side though. All kinds of hippies...
August 23, 2006, 03:07 AM
I think you just described Texas to a tee. What state do you live in right now?
August 23, 2006, 03:32 AM
Right now I live in MO.I like the land and the game,but bird hunting has become a canned hunt affair and big game hunting has become a exercise in escape and evasion from an attack of drunken city dwellers.I know that not all city dwellers are that way,but enough of there brethren have made me all but give up firearms season and go mostly archery.I am looking for the best this nation has to offer.I am very interested in states that have very low populations compared to land area.There are obvious places like Alaska and Montana,Idaho is tops on my list but I intend to leave no stone unturned.
August 23, 2006, 09:22 AM
Wyoming, Montana, Utah, Idaho, maybe Colorado. I'm looking at Wyoming hard for someday. LOTS of game to hunt, places to roam, and gun friendly. Texas and Tenn are gun-friendly, but not quite the variety of large game to hunt.
August 23, 2006, 09:45 AM
Also consider Georgia. We have a good long deer season with a limit of 12, No season or limit on hogs, great quail and dove hunting, and are gun friendly.
August 23, 2006, 12:21 PM
Why not Nevada. We have some good gun friendly folks here. Easy to get permits on just about everything, and machine guns are very popular here!
August 23, 2006, 12:25 PM
As Davy Crockett stated after looseing the election in Tennesee. And I quote
" The Rest Of You Can Go To HELL, I'm Going To TEXAS."
August 23, 2006, 01:13 PM
Having lived all over this wonderful country, and given the options listed, I would vote for a move to Nevada, Utah, or Idaho. Low populations, mild winters, lots of game, lots of open spaces to roam, horse-friendly, pretty much everything you mentioned. Plus some of the most spectacular scenery you will ever see.
August 23, 2006, 01:20 PM
That's what I was thinking! All aside...I love it out here. +1
August 23, 2006, 01:21 PM
I love it there too, and I would move back if I could find a job there.
August 23, 2006, 01:28 PM
I moved from the Bay Area after the Army in 1990 and have moved to Portland and back. We like it here MUCH better. I do miss the rain though!
August 23, 2006, 03:55 PM
+1 on eastern Washington or even central/eastern Oregon. However Montana and Idaho have always been top on my list.
August 23, 2006, 03:59 PM
I was in Reno until 1988, lived in Idaho until 1993, lived in central Oregon until 1998, now in the Puget Sound area. It's OK here, but I would much rather be back in Idaho or Nevada.
August 23, 2006, 04:08 PM
I also forgot to mention winter sports.I have always wanted to get into snow boarding.Our climate is changing here in MO.We have not had a proper winter in 2 years.I spent some time in Jackson Hole and would also consider that as an option.I would also like to live near other conservative people.Here we have a lot of lybs and even more democrats of the rebel flag persuasion.I spent two months in Salida CO.It was an amazing place surrounded by the 14ners.Thats right a range made up of some 6-8 mountains all over 14,000 feet,but from what I understand the town was founded by hippies back in the 60s.They were not aggressive like the modern libs but it was hard to find a good meal that wasn't vegetarian Pizza or some damn kinda fish taco.I actually found a little place that would serve me a stake and they put fruit on the plate next it and put Cinnamon in my Iced tea.But it was fun living there as the odd ball in my camo jacket and hunting boots.Lots of UFOs too.
August 23, 2006, 04:12 PM
Stay away from western Washington. It has become over crowded and overpriced. Going anywhere and doing anything is an expensive time consuming hassle now days. It didnt used to be like that. The hunting areas have receded and disapeared and the ones left are hunted so heavily that you cant hunt without 100's of other hunters in the area. Once you cross over the mountains into eastern Wa its better but theres not as much work. :(
And the comment about the hippies is true. If only we could get a hippie hunting season. ;)
August 23, 2006, 04:16 PM
There is only one place for you
And heres some jobs:
August 23, 2006, 04:25 PM
I actually don't mind living among hippies.They seem very passive compared to the Hillary Rodom Feminazies.You can just stand up-wind and observe them talking about being meet free in one sentence and making multi-million dollar real estate deals via cell-phone in the next.But they can be somewhat aggressive when it come to anti-hunting strategy.God please just plant me in the mountains among some real tobacco spitting red-necks.
August 23, 2006, 04:29 PM
Escape to Wisconsin, We have lots of near wilderness up north. Filled with blackbear and 200 + lb. whitetail. Goose, duck, phesant, grouse, woodcock. Plus muskie & northern pike if you like to wrestle big fish. There's no concealed carry yet, but here comes another election. Make yourelf at home, register, and vote!
August 23, 2006, 04:30 PM
Scorch, I agree but:
Why not Wyoming?
DOH! And we did forget Alaska too, yall, as WA pointed out. It's the most open AND beautiful AND gun-friendly of them ALL! A bit chilly though....
I'd probably rank my choices something like this, from what little I know, taking into account both gun-friendliness, and pristine beauty & wild game & fish (but not economics, etc.):
8. Washington (eastern)
9. Oregon (eastern)
14. South Dakota
15. North Dakota
22. West Virginia
23. South Carolina
Correct me if I'm wrong folks. :)
[When Jim Doyle is working at Burger King, Wisconsin will jump up 5-10 places immediately!]
August 23, 2006, 04:30 PM
To paraphrase Johnny Cash:
"Any place but Kaliforina!! I still hate this place.!!!"
August 23, 2006, 05:05 PM
Why not Wyoming? Or Montana?
Because they are having problems with land law. You only "own" the top-soil and nothing under the ground. Familys that have "owned" there property for many years are bieng pushed out by large corps for little or NO money, appology, or reason. The answer they get from the local and state Gov. is, you only own the top soil not underneith the earth. I can not speak for any other states but these. I subscribe to National Geographic and some of the past magazines have had numerous orticles on this very subject. Please read the laws for those states and make up your own mind. I for one will never move up there after what I have heard first hand from some of these familys. They have good points, but on the whole they are not friendly for land ownership.
August 23, 2006, 06:24 PM
I don't know what kind of koolaid you boys are drinking not to consider Arizona,but northen Arizona is great for hunting and we are one of the gun friendlyst states in the union and we got some damn big elk .now we got our problems too like a Lesbo gov,and too many ILLEGAL's.but with any luck we can vote her out this election and god willing the fed gov will enforce the law and get rid of these illegal's for good .:D
August 23, 2006, 06:41 PM
I live in Colorado, but I would vote for Alaska. I'm trying to move up there and I love hunting here. I have access to private lands for Mule Deer and Pronghorn. Colorado has the largest herd of Elk in the US around the Meeker area and I was able to get two tags this year and most of the mountains are still public access.
All that said we don't have the variety of big game that Alaska does, plus the fishing is out of this world from what I here. I'm not into the birds so I don't know what the bird hunting is like but I bet it is pretty good. I think overall that Alaska is a sportsman's paradise.
August 23, 2006, 07:14 PM
OK, so I have to defend my choices now? It's my opinion.:) You can have yours, too, and I will not say you are right or wrong. But for the record:
* Alaska is too cold and has too many bugs during the time when it's not cold.
* Montana is too cold in the winter. Same for Wyoming, but to a lesser degree.
* Colorado is getting too expensive to live in and too crowded.
* E WA is good, but less so than my stated choices.
* E OR the taxes are too high.
* Arizona is too hot (anytime you can cook eggs on rocks in October, it's too hot).
* The rest of the states are on the wrong side of the Rocky Mountains for me to recommend them.:)
given the options listed, I would vote for a move to Nevada, Utah, or Idaho
That pretty much means those are the places I would recommend, but you guys feel free to mention others!
August 23, 2006, 11:05 PM
You're right, Arizona should definitely make the top 10 or 12 - left you guys out. I'll revise, as I find this an interesting exercise.
August 23, 2006, 11:09 PM
Like Jim Morrison said:
The west is da best!
August 23, 2006, 11:33 PM
I am enjoying this thread.I am 30 and unmarried.My elders all say the same thing:"if you want to go and do something do it now,or you will regret it when you are 60 every day".Thanks to Wild Alaska for the police link.How bout you other cops out there where I want to move ,would you send me some info on taking my MO sponsored certificate out of state?
August 24, 2006, 12:22 AM
NO! Arizona SUCKS! You'd hate it here! Trust me. ;) :D
Fat White Boy
August 24, 2006, 01:30 AM
I have lived all over the country and have decided to stick it out here in California. I know, I know, all the fruit cakes and stupid gun laws. But- That being said, if you are going to be in law enforcement- the gun laws are are way different. My son is in law enforcement and he has things I can't buy.
Also, the main reason I stay here is convenience. I can be in Mexico fishing in 2 hours, I can be in Arizona, hunting quail in 3 hours. I can be in Nevada hunting chukars, varmints, etc. in 4 hours. I can stand hip deep in snow, look left and see the desert, look right and see the ocean.
AND, I can play golf in shorts in January....Oh- You can also hunt hogs all year round with no limit....
No. WAIT!!! There are millions of people here who don't speak English and drive badly...Don't come here!!!
August 24, 2006, 06:39 AM
i alway thought the Dakotas might be a nice place to live. i would be happy here in Northern california if it was its own state. im sure it would become a red state in no time.
August 24, 2006, 08:00 PM
I am considering going back to Colorado! When I lived there before I lived in Salida,rite in the middle of the 14ers.I have never seen any place as beautiful as that.I am thinking that it might be worth the crowding and the liberals.So y'all better work hard to talk me out of it.I don't think Colorado is heading in a good direction politically but then again that is speculation.
August 24, 2006, 08:39 PM
One thing I would also consider is accessibility.Can I access good hunting areas in Alaska on foot or by truck,or would I have to hire an air taxi like on TV.Would the easy access places be crowded because of there accessibility.This would apply to Idaho and Montana as well.The traditionally Western states can be accessed by horseback which is a goal of mine in the future,to own my own horses and mules.Well any insight would be of help,thanks brothers.
August 25, 2006, 11:11 AM
L-G, why not systematize your plan?
E.g., if skiing is desirable, how often would you go if you lived near a ski resort? If only twice a year, you might as well live in Key West. If weekly, El Paso, Colorado Springs, Phoenix are as convenient to ski slopes as many other places. (I'm not recommending these; I'm just pointing out examples.)
What are your marketable skills? Where is there a demand, so you can find a good job? You don't want to be in The Perfect Place, but unemployed.
How important to you is having a CHL? Over 2/3 of the states have such laws, so it's much less of a problem, nowadays.
Game departments generally have websites. You can learn what can be hunted and when, and the license fees.
Climate? I'll bet the humidity in Missouri makes a 90-degree day, there, as discomforting as a 100-degree day anywhere around the Rocky Mountain country. Same for cold: Dry cold "hurts" less.
Anyhow, think about what's important to you and to your billfold, and then compare states. After states, then compare cities and towns. You can use the various Internet mapping URLs to get a feel for the geography of any area.
August 25, 2006, 02:28 PM
All hunting areas in Alaska are accessible by foot. You can walk from Prudhoe to Nome to Anchorage without getting your feet wet. In January.
Of course, it would take several Januarys to actually do it. Until you have been to Alaska, you have no idea what wide open spaces means. My dad told me about standing on top of the Brooks Range looking north until the curve of the earth hid things. Look south and it just went on forever. Look east across Alaska and Yukon and northern Canada and you could not imagine it ever ending.
Just remember, it takes a different breed to live in Alaska year-round. I have known several people who lived there for a few years and finally gave up. Cold and dark all winter long. Alcohol apparently helps some, but not for everyone. But it's like anyplace else in the world; if you really love it, none of that matters.
August 25, 2006, 03:13 PM
That 3 month winter may help explain why WA is so grumpy - maybe we should cut him a break. :) :p
August 25, 2006, 03:20 PM
We dont have just winter.
End of Winter
Contruction Season (2 weeks in August)
August 25, 2006, 05:07 PM
I say Colorado. There are lots of outdoor activities to do in the Rocky Mountains. Excellent hunting(large bucks and beautiful elk). The hunting regulations are also very reasonable. Many states are too specific, while others are way too broad with their rules. The gun laws are very reasonable. If you defend yourself in your home, the perpetrator or perpetrator's family can not legally file a lawsuit against you. The CCW laws are very reasonable as well. You can even have a firearm in your vehicle without a CCW. It has to be unloaded but the law only specifies that the chamber must be unloaded. You could certainly have ammo in a magazine closeby.
Colorado is an excellent place to live. All the people that I know who have visited tell me how beautiful it is. The weather isn't bad either. Lots of sunshine. Although the mean winter temperatures are somewhat chilly. This is misleading because the majority of the days in winter are very mild but they are skewed by the times that we get cold spells. Temperatures seldom reach 100 and are usually upper 80s or low 90s. You have access to some great scenery and outdoor activities while not being out of touch with civilization. The traffic systems are a disgrace though, especially in the Denver area.
August 25, 2006, 05:15 PM
God please just plant me in the mountains among some real tobacco spitting red-necks.
Well now you are talking about West Virginia.:D You will find great deer hunting and small game hunting but no real big game. There are a lot of small towns and wide open spaces. Also good skiing in the winter. It is a very gun friendly state and I don't remember ever seeing any signs prohibiting CCW, except of course the normal places. I moved here from the Bay Area about 10years ago and am very happy with the stress free environment. There are a lot of other beautiful states as well. I have spent some time in Sandpoint Idaho at the corporate office of the company that I work for. That was also some beautiful country.
August 25, 2006, 05:48 PM
I have been to most states in the USA and I still like living here in Oregon for a lot of reasons. Good big game hunting Deer, Elk, black bear, and excellent Salmon and Steelhead fishing. In addition, I like the fact we don't have a sales tax and job market is good for me in the Portland Metro area. Yes the Real Estate is overpriced and the Portland area is on a 20% percent growth pace. But, hey I love the summers here, no humid summer days, and surprising enough are rain fall annually is less than 80% of the major east coast and mid west cities. Clean air, and great water. If I had a second choice i would pick IDAHO, or UTAH, and then Nevada.
August 25, 2006, 10:15 PM
and that is what I have been doing all along.This has bean only one small part of my system.I will have graduated from the Police Academy before I move.I hope to get on with a security type job until I can get certified in my new home state.That state is looking like Idaho.Its not as green as I would like but its a horse culture and getting into good hunting seams easier than Alaska.Its also easier for Mom and Dad to visit.Mom is scared to go to Alaska but Idaho would be o.k.I have a lot of buddies who would like to take advantage of having a connection in good elk country.Thanks for your time.
Fat White Boy
August 25, 2006, 10:54 PM
You should move to Nevada- Become a cop in Las Vegas for 2 or 3 years then make a lateral move into the Nevada Game and Fish Department...The hunting in Nevada is exceptional.
August 26, 2006, 01:30 AM
Nevada is eighty five percent public land. All the gun friendly laws in the world don't amount to a hill of beans without a place to actually shoot them.
August 26, 2006, 09:55 AM
roy, maybe the BLM has changed the rules; I don't know. But I've burned up many a round on jackrabbits and "just plinkin'". But that was some 20 years back.
August 26, 2006, 10:57 AM
You still are pretty much free to shoot on BLM land. I am currently staying with my cousin. His particular neighborhood sits along side public land.
Every morning before work, I grab my 22 revolver, some ammo, my dog, and take a walk around the land. Not only I have I seen and shot at numerous bunnies, but there are also quite a few dove flying around. Guess where I'll be next weekend.
I have been talking to several other California transplantees. They told me that they noticed the lack of crowds during hunting season. California does have a few public hunting spots. They are fine if you don't mind crowds and dodging errant birdshot. Nevada has so much public land that everyone has elbow room while out in the field.
I have lived in California all my life. This extra freedom allowed in Nevada is almost surreal. I can almost imagine what the first colonists to this land felt when they escaped Britian's tyranny. At least I have escaped California's Draconian laws and am now enjoying more of an "American" way of life.
August 26, 2006, 06:18 PM
You know PA is not that bad for an eastern state. Over 1,000,000 whitetail, super turkey, black bear of world class size, an elk hunt by draw, coyote, bobcat, grouse, pheasant, snowshoe hare, cotton tail, squirrel, canada geese out the ..., water fowl, beaver, racoon, and all the fur bearers and more. There is a lot of public land and one heck of a fishery. Skiing, white water, great lake, close to the ocean and Canada. Shall issue too. Land prices in the rural areas are still blue collar affordable.
August 26, 2006, 07:29 PM
I am sure that Pennsylvania is a great state for outdoorsman. But here are some figures.
Nevada has about 110,000 square miles populated by some two and a half million people. Pennsylvania has over twelve million people on some 45,000 squae miles. There are only a few state with a lower population density then Nevada. Then you also factor in that the majority of land is public.
In other words, you have room to not only breathe, but to shoot to your heart's content.
August 26, 2006, 08:00 PM
+1 on Oregon. I moved back here after retiring from the Army, because I never found anything better. Only thing I miss about some of the places I was stationed was the more liberal bag limits. One deer a year is frustrating after being in Maryland where it was borderline "kill all you can" deer season. Of course, you can't bowhunt elk in MD either.....
August 26, 2006, 09:41 PM
South Brewster County is indeed desert, and is indeed hot in summer. The upside is that there's no real winter--and I hate winter. If I want hard water, hey, there's this big white box in the kitchen. :D
Brewster County is the size of Delaware, roughly; four million acres. Roughly 10,000 people. I can take off to the northwest from my house and traverse unpopulated private land for some 25 miles without being bothered by anybody. :)
August 27, 2006, 02:38 PM
I'd head to Northern California. Specifically, the foothill counties north of the Sacramento sprawl. Northern California has truely great deer hunting. The Sierras contain vast alpine wilderness places to hunt mulies and black bears, yet I rarely saw another hunter. We lived there for 14 years; I got the impression that California is largely inhabited by urbanites that do not hunt and never will.
Wild boar can be hunted year round and uninhabited public lands around reservoirs are good places to hunt.
Black bears populations continue to grow each year but less hunters each year. This is a good situation for the motivated bear hunter.
Pheasant and waterfowl can be hunted at many refuges. We had great luck at the numerous Corps of Engineer lakes and surrounding lands.
Elk can be hunted in Oregon's coastal mountains. The non-resident rates are reasonable.
California has plenty of liberal minded folks. Show some wisdom and don't mention hunting or rifles at block parties with your neighbors. Simply join a local gun club and make new friends there. ;)
August 27, 2006, 03:05 PM
On the surface Nevada seems to be a lifeless and barren place. But I am learning it is anything but that.
A colleague at my job moved there from the Applachian region of Tennessee some fifteen years ago. He said he was from a very game rich part of the country. Being an avid hunter he was intially depressed by what he saw in the Silver State. He has since changed his tune. He said it has far more game then ever imagined.
Nevada has more game then most folks think. But as I have said before, its greatest resouce is space. Add that to a sparse population and you truly have a sportsman's paradise.
August 27, 2006, 03:38 PM
jack i still live here in northern california, and you described hunting here perfect. the only new problems is everyone from down south (sacremento and the bay area to san diego) is moving up here. the little town that i live in (well near im a country boy) has been in the 5000 to 6000 population since the 60's and now its at almost 10,000 in two years. the odd thing is i notice the houses and the cars but not the people. since they all work out of town they do all there shopping there and stay in their homes.
Death from Afar
August 27, 2006, 07:26 PM
You could of course move to New Zealand:
1/ No game season ( except waterfowl). At all. Hunt deer all year!
2/ More varmints than you can shoot in a lifetime. And no season.
3/ Pigeon shooting in abundence.
4/ Exotics like Thar and Chamois in the alps. And no season for any.
5/ 4 million people, of whom 1.2 million live in one city.
August 27, 2006, 07:29 PM
Those are my choices in that order.Now remember that I have to get my self through the police academy first.After that I will be looking for work in various security fields until I get settled into an area and study the state laws well enough to pass the Law Enforcement test and move into actual law enforcement.So I will let certain factors help me choose which of these four states to move to.I am a single man wanting to find a young woman to marry someday so that would be a factor as well.The right young woman could definitely sway me one direction or another.If any of you know any young women who would be interested in a 31 year old Conservative Christian republican I would love to communicate with her via e-mail or snail mail.I would also like to contact other people in these states just to make friends.We have this technology why not use it over the next year to get to know people.
August 27, 2006, 11:07 PM
did we mention we hate you? ;)
I like those choices, long-goodbye. Mine would be something like Idaho-Wyoming-Montana-Utah-Colorado-Alaska-others.
August 28, 2006, 09:20 AM
No state income tax.
Plenty of hunting.
With two major airports (IAH and DFW) you can be just about anywhere in the US, Mexico, or Carribean in a few hours.
August 28, 2006, 10:55 AM
Would be nice to be wealthy enough to have three or four homes around the country.Need to get my wife to work harder.
Death from Afar
August 28, 2006, 05:06 PM
did we mention we hate you?
You love me, really....wait till I tell you about our goat/deer/pig hunting trip planned in November......:p
August 29, 2006, 10:12 AM
Not Upper Michigan. The more that city people buy and post land to escape where they came from, the more they make it like where they came from.
My wife says they are like a male dog marking his territory with those orange and yellow signs.
August 29, 2006, 12:37 PM
someone on a gun forum recommending folks move TO California. Now I've seen everything. You make some good points, Jack, and it *would* be a bit of a paradise from strictly a hunting perspective, but I like my EBRs as much as my hunting rifles, unfortunately, so Cali is out. Maybe living just across the border in Nevada (or Oregon) would be the ideal situation, if the out of state tags aren't too brutal. Does California have a Lifetime Non-resident hunting and fishing license? And if so, how much is it? Maybe you could live there for a couple months, get a utility in your name, buy a lifetime resident license, then move across to Nevada! Hmmm. Does Calif even have lifetime resident licenses?
You love me, really....wait till I tell you about our goat/deer/pig hunting trip planned in November......
Arrrrrrgghhhh! :mad: :p
August 29, 2006, 02:50 PM
I was born in California. I spent almost five decades living there. I have spent just barely five weeks in Nevada. There is no comparison between the two states when it comes to gun rights and personal freedom.
One state is closer to the "American" ideal of the way we are suppose to live. Guess which state?
August 29, 2006, 03:01 PM
Texas, of course.
August 29, 2006, 05:12 PM
Can you answer any of my questions?
Maybe living just across the border in Nevada (or Oregon) would be the ideal situation, if the out of state tags aren't too brutal. Does California have a Lifetime Non-resident hunting and fishing license? And if so, how much is it? Maybe you could live there for a couple months, get a utility in your name, buy a lifetime resident license, then move across to Nevada! Hmmm. Does Calif even have lifetime resident licenses?
August 29, 2006, 06:06 PM
You've decided, now do it. Good choices, by the way. Enjoy the adventure!!
August 29, 2006, 06:19 PM
All my friends who have done that have been caught. CA is a little smarter than that...but not by much!!!
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