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rick_reno
August 16, 2006, 09:08 PM
I'd sure like to the tape of the "hunt".

DULUTH, Minnesota (AP) -- Troy Lee Gentry, of the country singing duo Montgomery Gentry, has been accused of killing a tame black bear that federal officials say he tagged as killed in the wild.

Gentry, 39, of Franklin, Tennessee, and Lee Marvin Greenly, 46, of Sandstone, appeared Tuesday before U.S. Magistrate Judge Raymond Erickson in connection with a sealed indictment returned by a federal grand jury in Minneapolis.

Authorities allege that Gentry purchased the bear from Greenly, a wildlife photographer and hunting guide, then killed it with a bow and arrow in an enclosed pen on Greenly's property in October 2004.

The government alleges that Gentry and Greenly tagged the bear with a Minnesota hunting license and registered the animal with the state Department of Natural Resources as a wild kill.

Gentry allegedly paid about $4,650 for the bear, named Cubby. The bear's death was videotaped, and the tape later edited so Gentry appeared to shoot the animal in a "fair chase" hunting situation, the government alleges.

If convicted, both Gentry and Greenly face a maximum penalty of five years in federal prison and a $20,000 fine.

Gentry's manager, Johnny Dorris, said Wednesday that Gentry, an outdoorsman and hunter, expects to be exonerated.

Gentry "relied on the knowledge and expertise of a local guide to obtain the proper permit," Dorris said in a written statement. "Troy felt what he did was legal and in full compliance of the law and was surprised to hear of the indictment."

Greenly did not return a phone message seeking comment.

Montgomery Gentry, along with co-singer Eddie Montgomery, are known for hits such as "My Town" and "If You Ever Stop Loving Me."

MeekAndMild
August 16, 2006, 09:31 PM
:eek: :eek:

osufanboy
August 16, 2006, 10:12 PM
I've got a barrel for $50. Fish extra.

guntotin_fool
August 16, 2006, 10:52 PM
I hate when that happens......

FirstFreedom
August 16, 2006, 11:48 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060816/en_nm/leisure_gentry_dc

maas
August 17, 2006, 12:29 AM
Ted is shaking his head in disbelief.

Wild Bill Bucks
August 17, 2006, 08:49 AM
Proof Positive, that Hank Williams Jr. was right.

"A Country Boy CAN Survive.":eek

Art Eatman
August 17, 2006, 09:27 AM
I dunno, Wild Bill. I never heard of this singer, but he's in deep doodoo. The guide is in deeper doodoo. The singer is out $4,650 (Dumb!!!) and the guide will probably lose his license.

The lawyers buy new Mercedes.

That's survival?

:D, Art

Wild Bill Bucks
August 17, 2006, 10:18 AM
I agree Art,

You never know about some of these stories, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, until their convicted. I will say, if they are truley guilty, they should both have to serve the maximum. This is probably the second stupidest thing I ever heard of for a hunter. The first being the two guys from Oklahoma, that shot the breeder Elk in New Mexico, that belonged to a game ranch. They shot him with a bow, through a cyclone fence, climbed the fence and cut off the head, then brought it back to Oklahoma, and bragged about the nice elk they shot to a game ranger. Ranger had heard about New Mexico elk that had been shot, and when he checked it out, realized that the guys were the ones who shot the elk. Last I heard, they were in some pretty deep hockey.

Wonder what makes people do such DUMB crap? It just makes all hunters look bad to people who don't hunt.

jhgreasemonkey
August 17, 2006, 10:49 AM
That really sucks. With all the money he has he could have went on a really nice guided "real" hunt. That baffles me why he would shoot a bear in a pen. Cubby Bearenstine KIA in redneck prison camp 2006.
Cubby we salute you!
poor bugger. :(

Trip20
August 17, 2006, 11:42 AM
If this is true...
Authorities allege that Gentry purchased the bear from Greenly, a wildlife photographer and hunting guide, then killed it with a bow and arrow in an enclosed pen on Greenly's property in October 2004.

...and if this is true...
The bear's death was videotaped, and the tape later edited so Gentry appeared to shoot the animal in a "fair chase" hunting situation, the government alleges.

...then this sure isn't true (bolding mine).
Gentry's manager, Johnny Dorris, said Wednesday that Gentry, an outdoorsman and hunter...

Both quotes do use the word "allege"... so we'll have to see what evidence comes out. Providing a video tape exists... he might be in some deep doo doo.

This is why I hate country music. :D :rolleyes:

Anthony Terry
August 17, 2006, 12:57 PM
I've been hearing about this story everywhere. Just pathetic! Did the poor ole wannabe hunter just do it to try to impress his freinds or what? I bet they're impressed now for sure! :D Bwahahahah, dummy!

Scorch
August 17, 2006, 01:28 PM
I can hear it now. All the good ole boys gathered around the campfire, he stands up and says "thar it wuz, the biggest bar I evr did see. So I shot it right twixt the wires, whar it'd do the mos' good.";)

swampdog
August 17, 2006, 04:45 PM
The anti-hunters will have a field day with this. All hunters are ambassadors to the general public. We get enough bad publicity when someone who is not a nationally known figure screws up.

If this guy is convicted everyone's dreaming if you think he'll get the max. He'll pay a big fine, probation probably and not spend a day in jail. Try that on $35,000 a year. :mad:

I think the punishment should fit the crime. He should lose his hunting and fishing privileges for at least ten years, in the entire country, not just one state.

I wonder who will be the first to show up at one of his shows in a bear suit. :D

This clown will pay for this the rest of his life, if his friends and family are anything like mine.

FirstFreedom
August 17, 2006, 04:57 PM
Cubby Bearenstine KIA in redneck prison camp 2006

:) I will say, that like WBB, I want to wait and find out more facts before "convicting him". It is certainly not past the gov't DA to exaggerate the facts - it's possible (we don't know), that what they are calling a pen is actually a high-fenced much larger area, and what they are calling a "tame" bear is actually a wild bear, who is alleged to be "tame" because it was born in "captivity" inside the confines of this fenced area (which again, might be quite large - I'd like to know the exact size of this so-called 'pen'), by parent bears who were caught completely wild in their generation. Not likely, but this is possible - I'll just reserve final judgment.

But if the facts are as alleged, this knucklehead deserves what is coming to him, assuming that he broke the letter of the Minn. wildlife laws, on the mislabeling charge. If he didn't, then he's only guilty of being a very very sorry excuse for a 'hunter'.

MeekAndMild
August 17, 2006, 07:07 PM
Thought about this thread all night. On the one hand this is disgusting, immature, dumb behavior. On the other hand all the libertarians over on L&P would be saying that in a free society people should have the right to do dumb disgusting things and in a way they're correct. :confused:

12-34hom
August 17, 2006, 08:40 PM
Hunters ? outdoors man ? - What a joke - these two slobs should have their sorry asses kicked to the nearest federal penitentiary,

Just to see what the word hunted really means.

12-34hom.

Troponin
August 17, 2006, 08:56 PM
Since when does any video hunter ever proven himself to be an outdoors man? Very few can or do. THey all hunt in isolated, controlled areas and the animals could even be used to human presence in some cases. Is that real hunting too? I would like to see them take a "trophy" whatever every year where I hunt with hundreds of other hunters. :rolleyes:

Socrates
August 19, 2006, 04:45 PM
Well, much as I want to react to this, I'll have to relate a little story.
I was in first year law school, and, was taking Torts. Some kids in LA had fallen through the roof of a school, playing on the roof, and, had injured themselves. Their parents sued the school district.

The press related the kids as little thugs, breaking onto school property, to try and steal something, and, falling through the roof.

Since, on the face of it, it appeared the kids were illegally on the property, I thought that should bar a civil suit.

TURNS OUT I WAS WRONG. When it went to discovery, what came out was a completely different story. Turns out the kids were just kids, playing on school property after school was out. The school district KNEW the roof was unsafe, did nothing to repair it, and, did nothing to keep the kids off it. Turns out the 'roof' was very easy for the kids to walk onto, since it was a sunken building, they could just walk on to the roof. They were not thieves, thugs, etc. JUST KIDS PLAYING IN A SCHOOL YARD, AND ON A ROOF THAT WAS EASY FOR THEM TO ACCESS.
The criminals were the school district officials that did nothing to either keep the kids off the roof, or property, and, repair the roof.

That said, I'll wait and see what the actual facts are.

However, Federal cases aren't usually filed unless the evidence is there, except for the Canadian Wolf cases going on. I guess I'm back to wait and see what the facts are, related by the court, not the super liberal, anti-hunting press.

S

Art Eatman
August 19, 2006, 06:23 PM
Socrates, I think the key is in this part of the article:

"The government alleges that Gentry and Greenly tagged the bear with a Minnesota hunting license and registered the animal with the state Department of Natural Resources as a wild kill."

That sounds like Minnesota is picky about wild kills, somehow or another. Might even be a law against having a "pet" or "tame" bear.

So, yeah, waiting for "true facts" is always good, but I doubt the press is (so far) any kind of bad guy in this particular deal.

Art

Socrates
August 19, 2006, 06:51 PM
Art
I hope you're wrong. I'm hoping the guys reading the acusations can't read government documents worth anything.

The only thing that really matters is what's on the charging document, and, many reporters screw up the legal to normal decoding.

I've scene enough bull lately, concerning the Canadian Wolves, and federal charges filed against people protecting themselves, and thier property, to want to wait this one out.

Still, Art, you maybe right.

PS
If this is true, I'd like to see the guy charged as a child molester, you know, baby bear,
and let him go to Federal Prison with that rap...Don't much care for people killing other people's pets, and calling it game hunting.

UniversalFrost
August 19, 2006, 07:36 PM
First if this is true I hope they through the book at them, but give 'em the benifit of the doubt first.

Second, the Minnesota state government is very much left wingers and will make an anti-hunting anti gun mess out of this. Too bad, because it is a great state minus the twin cities where the "anti gun anti hunting liberals" live.

brett30030
August 20, 2006, 08:48 AM
Maybe he can open for the "Ditsy Twits" in their vacant arena tour.

Art Eatman
August 20, 2006, 11:52 AM
Well, reading the article, it seems reasonable to accept that the guy arrowed a bear in a cage, and tagged it as a wild kill. That part of it is sorta hard to argue against. I don't really believe the Agency folks are gonna go out and lie about something like that; misinterpret stuff on occasion, yeah, but this doesn't sound like "interpretation".

So, having a copy of the game laws is what's needed. I say that because the Texas rule book is quite specific about when and how you can take or not take what animal.

We probably oughta wait for more info before doing a bunch more speculation...

Art

FirstFreedom
August 22, 2006, 09:27 AM
I'll just note that it is quite easy to use words to demonize someone. For example, the subject line of this thread uses the phrase "illegally killing", when in fact he's not charged with illegally killing anything; he's charged with mislabeling a kill as wild when it was not. And as I mentioned, the words "pen" and "tame" can have wildly differing definitions to different people. To some people, a pen may be a 20 acre high fence enclosure with lots of trees; who knows. He's probably a real dipstick who deserves everything he gets in all likelihood, so I'm not defending him, just pointing out things...

Maybe he can open for the "Ditsy Twits" in their vacant arena tour

Bwaahahaa. They did have to cancel events in Houston, and I think Kansas City, and one other place, due to low ticket sales. But I still like their music. And NOW, I tend to agree with their political views (I didn't at the time they said them - they just happen to be more insightful than me). Still, they made their bed (by opening their mouths), and so now they lie in it, for better or worse. I'll still buy their CD though - love that real country & bluegrassy sound - far better than most of the utter crap that's heard on so-called "country & western" stations nowadays.

MEDDAC19
August 23, 2006, 03:34 AM
If true, the real crime is calling him a hunter. Poachers and canned kills are almost always called hunting, we should inform the public that they are not hunters or hunting.

Socrates
August 27, 2006, 06:35 AM
Anymore facts on this, yet?

S

auberg
August 27, 2006, 08:57 AM
I hear on his next big hunt, he's going track the elusive cocker spaniel.:D

FirstFreedom
August 28, 2006, 06:40 PM
if cockers are anything like my akita, they'll be so elusive you'll have to sneak up on the floor air conditioner vent to find them sleeping there. Tee hee. :)

youp
August 29, 2006, 08:56 AM
Seems to me Art is right about Minnesota having a thing about tame bears being tagged as a wild bear. After that I do not see the big deal. Some wanna-be arrows a big tame bear. Then he wants it to look real. How many of the cover photos in magazines are 'tame game'?

Good old Uncle Ted killed a big bear in the western UP in mid 80's that was rumored to be a road side zoo bear. He did not know it.

I cannot see the difference in killing a wild animal or a tame one. I have a friend that raises Russians for the high fence operations. He makes a portion of his yearly income from that.

I hope to make an African trip in two years. It is high fence hunts in a lot of places over there. And if I go I will kill a couple of this and thats and sleep well and have a good time.

Trip20
August 29, 2006, 01:03 PM
I cannot see the difference in killing a wild animal or a tame one.

The issue most hunters have with this story has little to do with wild animal versus tame animal.

The point is there is a gargantuan difference between hunting an animal out in the wild, and shooting an animal in an 'enclosed pen' as the article alleges.

Hopefully you do not fail to see the difference.

I don't give a hoot about the legalities. I don’t need a law to be broken before I know something stinks. This is a matter of ethics to me. In my opinion, anyone who shoots an animal in the conditions as alleged in the article, and then tries to pass it off as real hunting, is a disgrace to the sport of hunting. Edited video to make it appear the kill took place in a fair-chase hunting situation. Good grief.

That's like saying the cow was hunted that produced the meat at your supermarket.

My opinion extends to this country star, any hunting magazines or hunting shows who procure dead animals via same means, and any member of this forum who does the same. It's not hunting. It's shooting. Period.

ZeroJunk
August 29, 2006, 01:17 PM
This story reminds me a little of a hunting camp back in the early 80's.An outdoor writer who a lot of you would recognize had the locals go out and spotlight a nice buck.That morning he put his hunting garb on ,had his picture taken with it ,and wrote a nice article on how he had killed it.

Scorch
August 29, 2006, 05:03 PM
I hope to make an African trip in two years. It is high fence hunts in a lot of places over there
youp-
African high-fence operations are large enough to allow the game to act and live normally, evade predators, breed, even migrate. Heck, some of them are almost large enough to allow Rhode Island to be set down in the middle of them. Most of the fences in question in those places are to keep certain large animals (usually elephants, rhinos, lions, etc) OUT, not to keep the game animals in. Not exactly what your average American game farmer considers as a "high-fence operation". The animal in question was supposedly caged or restrained in some manner.

swampdog
August 29, 2006, 08:57 PM
Has anyone seen any updated info on this? Every story I've found on the web was dated 8/16.

Around 20 or so years ago, Busch Gardens in Williamsburg, Va. had a trophy quality buck killed at night in it's pen. This was a tame deer and some of you might have even seen it. The guy used a bow an arrow and only took it's head. I doubt the guy got much joy of it, the antlers were unique and very well known. I know they looked long and hard for the culprit.

At least Troy Lee Gentry paid for the "privilege". I guess some people with money feel they have the right to buy anything. No matter what the law does to him, he'll never live it down. The ironic thing about the whole issue is that for the money he spent, he could have purchased a real guided hunt( or two) and actually taken a bear he could have bragged about. I guess he didn't feel he could take the time off his busy schedule. He's got the time to go to court, though. :D I'm sure he'll hire some high priced lawyer and get a slap on the wrist, but I'd love to see his legal bill.

I don't understand people like this. I hunt for myself. I could care less what other people think.