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Ian2005
August 7, 2006, 04:02 PM
I sure read a lot about AR-15's and SKS here on this site, I'm almost left to believe everyone here has one.... anyway, don't get me wrong, I want a semi-auto like everyone else, I just like the look of the BAR's over the others and it seems noone talks about them, or their forgotten, or something. Does anyone here have one? A newer one (post 2000)? How is the form?, how is the fuction? Browning owners report in -
Official BAR HomePage (http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/category.asp?value=002B)

JD 500
August 7, 2006, 07:26 PM
I would highly reccomend a Browning BAR.
You are clearly not going to get fast (Read tactical) follow up shots with a
.300 Win mag but my BAR has harvested many deer and elk.

The gun has been flawless and off the bench is close in accuracy to my Tikka T3 lite .300 win mag bolt action.

If I had it to do over, I would get a safari model (Wood stocks) and the BOSS system.

brett30030
August 7, 2006, 07:29 PM
AR-15's and SKS are in my opinion completely different than a BAR, it is very much like the old apples and oranges analogy.

As far as the BAR is concerned, i have owned a BAR for about 10-15(?) years. I believe the model was a Mark II Safari (i am going from memory) in .270. I have not treated it well, often been negligent is cleaning it regularly, let a few rust spots pop-up after hunting for days in the rain and yet never had the first problem with it. Of all of the firearms purchases that i have made, this has been the one that i feel has been the greatest value in terms of real use.

good luck with your search.

maas
August 7, 2006, 07:36 PM
338 win mag in a safari flavor. all bar safaris are the same from 93 to present. bars are a very popular rifle on here and i refer to mine alot.

AmesJainchill
August 7, 2006, 07:55 PM
Coincidentally, do the old 20 round mags work with new .30'06 guns? Or did they change the mag well in some fashion?

Not that it's a practical idea, since the mags are probably very expensive.

brett30030
August 7, 2006, 08:50 PM
"AmesJainchill
Member

Coincidentally, do the old 20 round mags work with new .30'06 guns? Or did they change the mag well in some fashion?"


I don't know how anything other than the factory or similar would fit. Do they all not have a floorplate covering the magazine slot?

I think that maybe Ian2005 and AmesJainchill are confusing this:

http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/browning.htm

With the modern BAR. The M1918A2 BAR is a machine gun and would require a permit to own if i am not mistaken. And they would be very, very, very heavy to carry.

Big-Foot
August 7, 2006, 09:14 PM
It would be great in case of a bear attack though.:D

Ian2005
August 7, 2006, 09:31 PM
No Not http://images.gunsamerica.com/upload/976614231-1.jpg


But


http://images.gunsamerica.com/upload/976756897-1.jpg

maas
August 7, 2006, 10:53 PM
hey if i could get my hands on the original bar id hunt deer with it:D

brett30030
August 7, 2006, 11:39 PM
On what level are you looking for comparisons between an AR-15/SKS and a BAR? They are so fundamentally different, that i do not understand what you are looking for. One is a hunting rifle the others are primarily military assault weapons that have some applications as modified hunting rifles. It is like comparing and Indy with Nascar, they both have a relatively specific purpose, but not much relevance to each other. I am not trying to be a jerk, i just don't understand what you are trying to garner from your post.:confused:

Delynn
August 8, 2006, 07:46 AM
I have a 300 win mag safari BAR and a 30-06 BAR. I had a ton of problems with my 300 win mag when I got it. It would not shoot better than a 5 MOA group. After 10 different ammos with different bullets for each, 2 scopes, different recoil pads, different shooters shooting it, and many many many bad words are the range, I gave up. I finally sent it back to Browning and they fixed the problem but I never found out what the problem was. It shoots great now. And as for my 06. I won it in a raffle. Cost me 2 bucks with a vx II Leupold on it and it is a little dream. Shoots any kind of ammo and likes most all of them. It's not too loud and almost no recoil. My eight year old nephew has shoot about a 15 of so deer with it and I use it for deer depredation permits and have shoot well over 100 with it. Can you see my love for this rifle. Not the absolute best rifle in the world, but for the money it will be hard to beat. If you want a semi auto hunting rifle, the this is a good one. I don't really see the need for a semi auto hunting rifle for most people, but for what I use it for. It is great. Sometimes I need lots of shoots and fast. This rifle works well for what I do. For target shooting, i would suggest a bolt action. Just my 2 cents.

Dirty_Harry
August 8, 2006, 08:22 AM
My dad just bought a browning BAR in .308 (I guess these are hard to find) well it does not feed another round into the chamber. I am geussing that it was the owner before him and not a manufactuer's error. It is one beautiful rifle though.


I outshoot him with my Springfield M1A though.:D

Ian2005
August 8, 2006, 11:14 AM
Brett30030.. did you just have to type something to have your words on the big screen? wow.. just wow.:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

AmesJainchill
August 8, 2006, 12:02 PM
I don't know how anything other than the factory or similar would fit. Do they all not have a floorplate covering the magazine slot?

I think that maybe Ian2005 and AmesJainchill are confusing this:

http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/browning.htm

With the modern BAR. The M1918A2 BAR is a machine gun and would require a permit to own if i am not mistaken. And they would be very, very, very heavy to carry.

I don't know about Ian, but I was confusing the two. Thanks.

superpelly
August 8, 2006, 04:34 PM
I have a Bar safari Mk II 7mm Boss. Love it, Shoots very straight. With the Boss system it shoots like a 308 and you can dial in the barrel vibration to very tight group. It takes a few times of shooting before you really know what your doing (scope+BOSS system, dialing both together) but its worth the tight groups at 100 to 300 yards.

brett30030
August 8, 2006, 09:28 PM
""Ian2005
Brett30030.. did you just have to type something to have your words on the big screen? wow.. just wow.""


I have no idea what that means?
maybe this:
Christopher Walken's SNL character "The Continental", "Wow, wow wee wow, wow, wow"! :)

If you have a problem with something i posted, please clarify. I posted about my experience with the BAR. I wished you good luck with your search. I thought you might possibly be confused with what you were referring to as a BAR. Then tried to get you to clarify what you were looking for as far as feedback, and in the same post said that i was not trying to be a jerk, but trying to get what you were looking for. Then you post some cryptic response with a vomiting smilie. Good luck in your search.

Jseime
August 10, 2006, 09:50 PM
I'd agree with you that the BAR is sort-of the forgotton "sporter" semi-auto. The reason that the modern BAR doesnt come up in most of the semi-auto discussions around here is that they focus on "military" style rifles (SKS, AK, AR)

I think that if I had the money I'd buy a BAR, The new short-tracs look very nice, they give you more round selection than the remington 7400 and did I mention that they look very nice.

robctwo
August 11, 2006, 12:41 AM
I bought the 308 BAR Stalker a few years ago. Love it. Very accurate, light weight and reliable. NEEDED the 300 WSM with BOSS. Bought it two years ago. It is an amazing rifle. I can get five shot groups in one large hole with my reloads at 100 yards from a rest. Have taken a couple mule deer with it. Looking for elk this fall.

I reload for both. Getting out to the range this weekend to run the dust off before hunting season.

Anthony Terry
August 11, 2006, 12:51 AM
Any browning made rifle is very nice and accurate. I love my a-bolt and love all the BAR's I've seen also. Browning rifles and accuracy go hand in hand. Hard to go wrong with any browning. I think soon they'll get the respect they deserve.

GreenFlash107
August 12, 2006, 07:18 PM
Anytime I see or hear someone talking about a BAR, it is always the WWII version I think about. I would love to own the WWII version

BusGunner007
August 14, 2006, 07:33 PM
...after having open heart surgery this summer :eek: , I may test my Remington 700 / .375 ULTRA a few times and sell it for this Browning BAR MkII Lightweight Stalker in .338 Win.Mag.
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/images/031008m.jpg

I have a MkII Safari w/BOSS in 7mm Rem.Mag. and will put the nice wood back on it so it'll look right.
But, for a Big Game hunting rifle, the BAR Lightweight Stalker in .338 Win.Mag. looks pretty good ( I have a Bell & Carlson stockset for it already ).

I've pretty much given up the idea I'll ever hunt Alaska or Africa with a .458 LOTT...;)
Ditto for shooting 3 1/2" SuperMag shells in my 870...

FirstFreedom
August 14, 2006, 07:56 PM
Well, you've got to draw a distinction between sporting semi-autos:

742/7400
BAR
Win superX
Benelli R1

etc.

with semis based on .mil designs - AR, AK, FAL, M-14 type, G3 type, etc.

Reason the latter get more attention by a lot of knowledgeable shooters is that they are tried and true DURABLE military designs, which have a history of being able to shoot tens of thousands of rounds without major malfunctions (assuming proper maintenance), and be able to function in extreme environments of temperature, humidity, sand/dust, etc., and after they (and their mags) have been dropped & thrown around as they would in a .mil environment. Unlike the sporter rifles which may or may not stand up to rigorous hard use such as that.

I would love to have a BAR, and would get one if they made one in .35 whelen in a heartbeat since I like that round as the next addition to my caliber family. As it stands, I will be getting another good and nice-looking rifle chambered in it for less money, the new Rem 750 woodsmaster.

Busgunner, I don't blame ya, and heal up soon, brotha. I love it - only a true gun nut would 'downsize' to a .338 magnum!

I will have to second the nomination of the *original* BAR being a great bear defense gun! :) :eek:

BusGunner007
August 14, 2006, 09:01 PM
B.O.S.S. plus open sights! :eek: :D
So, that means one could have the factory style ( Williams, I think... ) sights added to a BOSS BAR.
The 'no-holes' BOSS is much quieter, too.

Hmmmmmmm...
http://www.browningint.com/products/04brg/?productsarea=browning&sommaire=Rifles&classe=bar&famille=BAR+ACIER+AFFUT+BOSS
http://www.browning-int.com/productsmedia/browning/baracieraffutboss.jpg

There's even a Browning Optics site to pick from...
http://www.browningsportsoptics.com/rifle/index.html#
I'd choose the little European version, I think...


Thanks for the well wishes, too. Once I get a decent night's sleep more than once in a row, my energy level will kick it up a step.

Huntergirl
August 14, 2006, 09:14 PM
I had a BAR Safari 7mag and it was a great shooter, especially with the Federal Premiums. It filled my freezer with elk a few times. Had a Burris 6x on it. The main reasons I sold it was the weight, and I was moving and wanted money for furniture.; it was cumbersome to lug it in the mountains. But it ran flawless and accurate. I've had some interest in the new Remington 750, seems more streamlined and lighter. But haven't heard any reports on it yet.

Big-Foot
August 15, 2006, 12:26 AM
Naw, if I could get a European BAR it would be a 9.3x62mm. http://www.browningint.com/intro.html That oughta thump em.

Other than a fast second shot in case of a deflected bullet BusGunner007 touched on one of the best features of a semi. The recoil reduction is probably about 20%, and that's without the BOSS brake. My aluminum reciever Stalker in 30-06 kicks less than my ex-wife did. And she had Karate class experience. She couldnt aim worth a damn though, thank god, cause you know just what she was trying to hit huh. :o

maas
August 15, 2006, 08:27 AM
how come the euro 338 is only 2 + 1 i thought that they quit making my browning gold. looks like its the euro model now. but i guess it doesn't matter because i have to buy the phoenix:D i didnt know that browning made a pump rifle. great link!!!!

Gewehr98
August 15, 2006, 09:08 AM
And a real pussycat in recoil compared to a boltgun in the same chambering. I wish I could say that for the Remington 742/7400 autoloaders that I owned for short periods of time.

Regardless, the Browning BAR sporting rifle oozes class. I fought my ex-wife and her lawyer to keep this 1969 .30-06 Belgian BAR from going her way in the divorce. I consider it money well-spent.

http://mauser98.com/barbenchweaverright2.jpg

maas
August 15, 2006, 05:05 PM
finally took some pics of my BAR and gold enjoy. before you comment the bi pod if for the pictures only.

BusGunner007
August 15, 2006, 05:11 PM
http://www.hunt101.com/img/417796.jpg


7mm Rem.Mag. w/BOSS-CR.
Bell & Carlson stockset.
Leupold 4.5-14x40/ 6" sunshade/ StoneyPoint target turrets.
Millet Angle-Loc base/'engraved' rings.
B-SQUARE Roto-Tilt Match bipod.
Browning X-cellerator sling.
Browning hearing protection.
:D

I'm planning on putting the factory wood back on it.
If I get the .338 Stalker w/sights, I'd be real happy!

maas
August 16, 2006, 12:59 AM
just got back from shooting mine. free hand at 150 yards 3 out of 4 were in the orange the 4 was a little out side (my error)

44Dave
August 21, 2006, 08:12 PM
I am considering selling/trading my bar mark 2,belgium made for something a bit more accurate and a little bigger.
I'm thinking about the remington 700 in .300 or the ruger M-77 mark 2 in .300( and I'm a lefty) but after reading this thread , I may just practice a bit more. Leaving for Col. in 6 weeks for ELK...hmmmmm