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FirstFreedom
July 25, 2006, 11:27 AM
I'm still looking ahead a few years, to raising from pup, a good all-purpose hunting dog (& companion, of course), or possibly even 2 dogs at the same time. I had narrowed it down to Weimareiner or Visla (or possibly a GSP). But I think the main focus of my hunting (with dogs, anyway) is going to be going after wild/feral hogs, as I'm interested in that (never hunted hogs with dogs, but sounds like fun). So which of these two would be a better choice for pursuing and keeping at bay hogs, and why? For example, is one more nimble/agile than the other, and/or have a more healthy natural respect/fear for its prey, which combinations would help them in the survivability department, in encounters with aggressive hogs with tusks? Or would the added size of the Weims be more conducive to holding the hogs at bay, and intimidating them? Etc., etc.... Thanks! P.S. Assume I can get Weims or Vislas of the best possible breeding, for the comparison, as I definitely will be doing that!

Scorch
July 25, 2006, 11:53 AM
Hog-hunting dogs need to be aggressive, quick, and smart. While I love Weimaraners and Viszlas as bird dogs, I'm not sure of their tenacity and aggression against pigs. I hunted hogs extensively when I lived in California, and most of the pig-dog people there had pit bulls (usually from the pound), redbone or bluetick hounds (great for running the pigs and baying them up), Catahoula Leopards (a dog bred specifically to hunt pigs, I'm told) or Mountain Curs (Old World breed known for hunting dangerous game). Weimaraners are great trailing dogs for larger game, and could probably do the job, but I have never heard of anyone using them for pigs.

A pig can really tear up a dog in a hurry. If they don't get them with their tusks, they get them with their feet. Even a small pig can gut a dog pretty quick with its mouth, and a kick can cave in a dog's ribs.

leadbutt
July 25, 2006, 11:56 AM
DO a search on several different sites and the above post I think you'll find to be spot on,,, there is a breed that was designed from the start for this type of hunting and its the DOGO from south america,,, you can find a few breeders down Texas way,, your going to need a pack any way, you never want to sent just one dog after a pig

R.D.Wheeler
July 25, 2006, 12:11 PM
Its going to be whichever dog you like the best. I have seen Russian boar run with Catahoula Curs (which I have), Plotts, and even a pack of Jack Russells( hog came by and 4 of those little guys were hanging on like Christmas ornaments). A bulldog was used to catch and hold. Whichever dog you decide on, you can get wide kevlar collars that covers most of the neck and a kevlar vest fitted for the dog. I also recommend getting a first aid kit for the dog which contains a needle and thread, antiseptic, etc. Have fun.
These are my two boys.

Pointer
July 25, 2006, 12:16 PM
Pig dogs will surround the hog and take turns harassing and distracting it...

They must be big dogs 50 pounds or more...

They should wear heavy leather vests to help protect them from tusking...

It is not uncommon to lose a dog on a pig hunt... to tusking... don't get too attached to 'em... :(

Large hounds and Staffordshire Terriers (This is the British Breed of the American Pit-bull.) and Pit-bulls are among the best...

Too many dogs in the pack and they will get in each others way...

Too few, and the pig will run off between them... 4 or 5 is about right. :)

Clayfish
July 25, 2006, 12:18 PM
I've always heard the best hog-dogs come from the pound. I just couldn't bring myself to send a bird dog to wrestle a hog. I'd get a pitbull or similar.

FirstFreedom
July 25, 2006, 01:02 PM
Hmm, ok, well nix that idea, lol. This is just not gonna jive with my plans for a couple of reasons.... mainly that I don't want to maintain a whole pack - I want 2 at most trained for hunting. Secondly, my breed choice, as explained above, is not at all the best for hogging (we used to have a different meaning for that term, but I digress...), and I'm pretty attached to my breed choice. And finally, yowsa, sounds like injuries & death are more common than I had realized - the "don't get too attached" comment - well that's just not possible when it comes to me & dogs. Even with Kevlar vests and collar, a first aid kit, prompt attention, etc., a hog could still kill a healthy dog?!? :eek: Thanks for the help though. I just can't see myself getting a bunch of pound dogs and caring for them, just for hunting. Guess I'd better find some friends with hog dogs, and get my Weim for birds & blood-trailing.

Jack Russells (hog came by and 4 of those little guys were hanging on like Christmas ornaments).
:D :D

Nice hounds, R.D. :)

FirstFreedom
July 25, 2006, 01:21 PM
BTW, here are some cool photo albums of dogo argentinos hunting hogs:

http://www.huntingdogos.com/hunting_scenes.htm

Pointer
July 25, 2006, 03:19 PM
I've always heard the best hog-dogs come from the pound.
injuries & death are more common than I had realized - the "don't get too attached" comment -

This is why pound dogs are "better"... :o :rolleyes:

"Thar cheap 'n they was prolly gonna be put down any ol' how... :mad:

:barf:

jonutarr
July 25, 2006, 06:25 PM
heres some good info for ya ;)

http://boardogs.com/Boardogs_Breed_Information.htm

kymasabe
July 25, 2006, 07:03 PM
Here in southwest Florida, the hog hunters use pitbulls. They also go collarless because if a tusk catches a collar, the hog can break the dogs neck. Most of the hardcore hog hunters I talk to say the same thing, don't get attached to the dog, expect the dog to get killed in the hunt, or at least seriously hurt. Maybe not every time but plan for it. They too use pound dogs, cheap, expendable, and if the dog is too hurt, they put them down in the brush and leave them. One local guy I spoke to said the best hog dog he ever had was a beagle, was too low and too fast for the hog to catch. The dog would run around behind the hog and bite/hang from the hogs b@lls. Said you didn't have to listend for the baying of the dogs, you could hear the hog screaming in the woods instead.

Me, personally...I can't treat a dog like that. I have a 12 year old English Springer Spaniel that I've had since she was 8 weeks old, she's well cared for, (some would say spoiled) and is part of the family. She's been bird hunting with me a bunch of times, is a great companion, and loyal protector of the home. I could never send a dog to the hogs.

jhgreasemonkey
July 25, 2006, 07:17 PM
I'd be worried about someone shooting my dog or the hog eating him.

Bigfatts
July 25, 2006, 10:39 PM
One of my acquaintances lost 2 dogs last season to hogs. One was killed outright by the hog, the other had to be put down. He uses a mix of hounds to bay the hog and usually either Pitbulls or Bulldogs to hold 'em. Whatever he can get.

Harley Quinn
July 26, 2006, 10:33 AM
They are really just giving chase bitting at the heels and trying to get the hunters attention for them.

If you are talking about catch dogs that is a different animal all together.

They are a special breed also. Some are vets and have been in alot of action some never get out of the starting gate. Risky business being a "Hog dog".

Some of the best are smaller than you would think, have terrier in them and are tough as can be expected of them, against any kind of beast weather a hog or a badger. Cuts scratch's and death are just part of the hunt.

I will search the posts/threads and come up with one that will amaze you if I can find it.

Try this one out:http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193623

HQ

Wild Bill Bucks
July 26, 2006, 04:21 PM
There are some guys over in the Scipio area, west of McAlester, that hunt with dogs. Only went with them one time. They were mostly pit bulls and, what looked like blue tick hounds, to me. We started out with 8 dogs, caught one 300 lb Boar, and came back with 5 dogs,2 of which had to have their intrails shoved back inside them and stitched up at the pick-up.

Owner said it was a good night.:(

It was a wild thing to watch, but a little to gruesome for me.:o

I'll just have to shoot mine from a tree stand.

Harley Quinn
July 27, 2006, 09:41 AM
Use to run around nude and paint themselve's up and hunt and go to war with nothing but a spear and sword, had some pretty good looking shields.

I believe if you were hunting those boars like that with a spear and shield you might stand a good chance.

I believe dogs bring out the anger and fear (just trying to live) out in the boar and make them much more dangerous.

If you were just stalking them and suddenly attacked with your spear and shield and in the nude they would probably run.:D

Maybe I will wear a cup. :p

HQ

H&H,hunter
July 27, 2006, 12:50 PM
I haven't posted on this sight for quite some time for personal reasons. But I can't let this one go.

DO NOT use A BIRD DOG for HOG hunting! They will be killed PERIOD!

Hog dogs are a totally different beast than a bird dog. they have instincts that keep them alive while tangoing with a hog. Namely rapid speed and the ability to know when to let go and jump back while never loosing sight of the hog. A good hog dog is an instinctual fighter and must be fearless yet smart enough to know when to back off.

Bay dogs do not have to be very big but they have to be athletic and smart. catch dogs must be seriously tuned up fighting animals that will not let go no matter what like a pit bull, American bulldog, or a Dogo Argentina.

There are several ways to hunt hogs with dogs. One is to use only a bay dog or two. In this case the dog will flush the hogs out of thick cover and chase him until he bays one up usually with a series of quick nips to the hams or testicles. The dog will "hold" the hog in a general area until a hunter can arrive and kill it with a rifle pistol bow or even a spear or a knife if the situation is right. This is what I do with my hog dog. As well as blood tracking.

The other method is to use bay dogs and catch dogs. The bay dogs will do as described then the catch dogs will come in and physically hold the hog until somebody arrives with a knife and kills it. Catch dogs are the ones who usually get hurt or killed by the hogs. Bay dogs tend to live longer but make no mistake they get maimed and killed too.


As far as what dogs to use. Some of the best hog dogs on the planet are Jadgterriers, Catahoulas, Black mouthed curs, various hounds, hound crosses and of course the occasional pound mutt with all the right stuff. they all need to have speed toughness a good nose and ability to fight and move fast.

I like Jadgterriers because they are small fast and make great people dogs when they are not hunting. They weigh about 25lbs and move like featherweight boxers on crack. Hog dogs do not need to be big. I’d put three good Jadgterriers against any other breed on the planet even as catch dogs. They are bred specifically to hunt hogs. And they do it well as either bay dogs or catch dogs.

Jadgterrier

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/GTAllyn/d7ef15cf.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/GTAllyn/Hogsdogsdoubles005.jpg

The only problem with the breed is that they can't be trusted when you are away.:D
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/GTAllyn/100_0815.jpg

Harley Quinn
July 27, 2006, 01:04 PM
Good to see you posting. I really like the picture of your new amigo.
Boy are you taking a chance with that picture. Ha Ha

Pretty soon you'll be out in the woods on your own.:D

Hogs what hogs, I'll be here when you come back see how good you can do without me.:p

HQ

FirstFreedom
July 27, 2006, 02:22 PM
yeah, that's just not for me - not right now anyways. Thanks for the input.

I'd try hunting them naked with a shield & spear, cept I don't think I could find & catch them - that's why I need dogs! :D Kevlar jock strap, eh? Not a bad idea.

H&H,hunter
July 27, 2006, 03:34 PM
Harley,

I'm not sure she knows about this picture....;)

I give the wife very strict instructions about not letting the hunting dogs on the bed. They have a kennel to sleep in! As you can see these instructions are carefully followed in my house.:D :D

This is photgraphic evidence that yes infact my viscious, well trained and strictly disciplined hunting dogs are in fact not only allowed on the bed but they left wirey terrier fur all over my pillow.

Here is a picture of another yet to be viscious hog hunting hound. Look at the snarl on his face it just screams "Blood bath.".

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/GTAllyn/Nitroinahat.jpg

Harley Quinn
July 28, 2006, 12:21 AM
And to think what lurks in that little mind when he decides he is on the hunt.LOL What is amazing, it is in them from the getgo, boy talk about breeding something for a life time and they just love it. :)

Fear, hmmm what kind of 4 letter word is that:D

Nice pic's thanks for sharing, again.

HQ

H&H,hunter
July 28, 2006, 10:37 PM
Harley,

Instinct with animals is amazing. I take these little guys at 8 weeks old and run a blood trail for say 50' to start with and end it at a raw piece of hog hide.

It never fails to bring joy to my heart when the little guys hit the blood scent and immediately start pulling into their harness trying to frantically run the trail. Then when they get to the hide they instantly attack it with vicious puppy snarls and latch on for dear life.

It is simply amazing to watch! :cool:

Harley Quinn
July 28, 2006, 10:44 PM
Talk about instinct.

We (all animals have it more then others) just look at AE and you. LOL:D

HQ

GregR
July 29, 2006, 10:32 AM
I first hunted over jagdterriers in Austria. It was amazing to see a pair of the ittle devils bay a 357 pound boar, then back off on command so I could shoot it. Once the pig was down, one went looking for more pigs, but the other would not leave until it was able to take an ear for a souvenir. I love those dogs.

I have a Jack Russell that is an excellent blood trailer, but he is not allowed to hunt hogs. Some heavy-handed discipline as a pup keeps him from chasing them, even if we come up on them in close cover. He will trail wounded hogs, although he is very reluctant to do so and will not get closer than 6 or 8 feet to it when he finds it. I did that on purpose - I could care less if he doesn't find a wounded pig. His job is to find my clients' wounded deer. But in addition to being a valuable dog, he is like another son to me, and I could not stand the idea of something happening to him, which it surely would one day if I let him chase hogs.

I do lots of hog hunting with dogs. In Texas, we use catahoulas to bay them, then send in the pit bulls. Once they catch them, we use a knife to dispatch the hog. It's a ton of fun, but it is hard on the dogs. I would not send any dog you are attached to after a hog.

H&H,hunter
July 30, 2006, 07:35 PM
I first hunted over jagdterriers in Austria. It was amazing to see a pair of the ittle devils bay a 357 pound boar, then back off on command so I could shoot it. Once the pig was down, one went looking for more pigs, but the other would not leave until it was able to take an ear for a souvenir. I love those dogs.


It is amazing to watch these little guys work isn't it....

I love to looks I get from people when they first set eyes on my hog dogs. They must think I'm kidding them, hunting hogs with a cuple of cute little puppies like that it couldn't be..:D

Harley Quinn
July 30, 2006, 07:45 PM
Of the Doberman. Both being from Germany?

HQ

stephen426
July 30, 2006, 08:04 PM
Man those wild hogs sound like mean SOBs. I have an 85 lb. akita. Anyone know how they would do against a hog? I heard they were used for hunting bears. Akitas have an incredible prey drive and chase anything that moves. They are very solid dogs and very intelligent as well. They can also be super agressive with other dogs which means they would probably try and kill the hog. On second thought, maybe not such good idea. Besides, I'm pretty attached to that fur ball. Maybe a guided hunt using someone elses dogs would be a much better idea.

GregR
July 30, 2006, 09:21 PM
H&H

Yes, they are amazing little dogs. My clients often laught at my Jack Russell, too, until it finds their gut shot animals. I have a long waiting list for his puppies . Most of the list is comprised of people who made fun of my "little lap dog" until they saw him in action.

H&H,hunter
July 31, 2006, 12:09 AM
Harley,

The Jadgterrier is of no relation to the Doberman. They are a mix of an old English black and tan hunting terrier and a fox terrier and possibly one other terrier breed but it slips my mind at the moment.

they were specifically bred to hunt wild hogs. They also are good fox dogs and make a fine bird dog in some instances. In fact several breeders train them to retrieve water fowl! My guys LOVE the water.

FirstFreedom
July 31, 2006, 09:03 AM
Hey Stephen, you're right, the Akita was bred to hunt bears and bay them up originally, but I think that American breeders have probably lost a lot of the edge off of those key instincts, by not breeding for working ability. One of my 'girls' is a 91 lb Akita, and yes she's got a pretty good prey drive, but I don't think that she's nearly fast and nimble enough to avoid injury, or even mean & determined enough if she had to fight. But yours may be of entirely different breeding, and much more athletic & tenacious.

stephen426
July 31, 2006, 11:50 AM
Hey Stephen, you're right, the Akita was bred to hunt bears and bay them up originally, but I think that American breeders have probably lost a lot of the edge off of those key instincts, by not breeding for working ability. One of my 'girls' is a 91 lb Akita, and yes she's got a pretty good prey drive, but I don't think that she's nearly fast and nimble enough to avoid injury, or even mean & determined enough if she had to fight. But yours may be of entirely different breeding, and much more athletic & tenacious.

Akitas are a very strange breed. I think my dog much have some cat in her. When she sees another dog off in the distance, she will drop to the ground and slink towards them like a lion stalking prey. I've also seen her pounce (with all fours) on various things such as lizards, bugs, and an opposum. As for speed, my girl can really run, but not for long distances since the Florida heat is pretty grueling and her with that heavy coat. As for being ferocious, her father (my parents have my dog's parents) is pretty darn agressive and has torn up a few dogs. She has a sweeter disposition but I wouldn't want to tangle with her. Regardless, there is no way I would risk her getting torn up by a hog so I'm most probably going to go with a guided tour. Besides, they are well trained and we will greatly improve our odds of bagging something.

Harley Quinn
July 31, 2006, 12:01 PM
H&H

If I was inclined to get another breed of dog. (I have been raising Staffordshire Bull Terriers and lost the last one 12 years ago. I went and decided to go the American Staffordshire. Mistake!)

I neutered her and decided to just have a pet. (She was a great dog and everything about her was very good. The breeder had a clause and I did'nt like it).
So instead of breeding her, I neutered her, she keep coming into false heats and I was not going to show.
Irritated them to the max but it was one way of getting out of the contract.

Where can I go to read and discuss with a good breeder?

I spent quite a bit of time trying to get information on the little "German Hunter" but was unable to come up with what I was looking for.

I did find some old post's of yours. Sorry you have had such a rollercoaster ride with your search and find, then have them perish in one sort of fashion or another.

The one you have must be reaching the first birthday. Do you neuter? I know that some might be better neutered, keeps them on the hunting you want and not other drives.

So any advice as to a direction I can go to find a good one, if so inclined???
Started or pup???

Regards, Gary

HQ

Arizona Fusilier
August 1, 2006, 10:43 PM
Firstfreedom, looks like we have both learned a lot from this thread. For what its worth, I'd like to address your original question. As I suspect you already know, both the Weimareiner and the Vizsla were bred to be "versatile" hunting dogs, and in addition to pointing and retreiving birds, were also useful in the pursuit of large, and occasionally dangerous game.

Of the two, the Weimareiner sounds like it would be more useful for the style of hunting practiced by most hog hunters today. It is a little larger, more aggressive, and during the middle ages, was taught to bite the rearlegs or gonads :eek: of the prey it was pursuing. The Vizsla was also used for boar, but it seems to be more of a tracking/trailing wounded game thing. My Vizsla book shows a picture of a Vizsla baying over a dead boar, which is what they were taught to do in order for the hunter to find them.

I can see some useful traits for boar hunting in my Vizsla, Hussar. When he teases our Border Collie, he engages in incredible kung fu moves, and charges back and forth, in and out as well. He will also go after her hindquarters in a classic prey move, much to her iritation.

When I wanted to get a hunting dog, I wanted a versatile breed, and toyed with the idea of maybe someday turning him loose on mountain lion, or bear. I settled on the Vizsla, mostly on the European history. Problem is, he's shaping up to be a great bird dog, and he's handsome as hell; reading what I have on this thread, I'm not so sure I'd turn him loose on hogs. Ironically, in the Middle Ages, the nobility so highly prized their hunting dogs they actually crafted armor for thier favorites! I am in a medieval reenactment group, and I think I will craft some armor for Hussar, just so he can fit in better!;)

I might have him track some wounded game in the future. But despite their versatility, it seems that Vizslas should stay home in the castle, and leave the hog hunting to, dare I say, semi-disposable breeds?

ninemm
August 3, 2006, 03:27 PM
http://www.texasboars.com/ check this out.

2rugers
August 3, 2006, 04:15 PM
We have actually hunted with Douglas Mason and Krystal from ugly dog ranch. Mr. Mason uses a combination of Catahoula Leopard Curs and Catahoula Bulldogs. Krystal also employs Dogo Argentinos as catch dogs. The photos of march 8, 2004 were of our hunt. What a blast!
Also, Dan Moody of "Four Seasons Hunting services", the producer of the video series "Dogs on Hogs" I and II, is a wealth of dog information for hunting wild boar. He uses a pack of black mouth curs and pit bulls for his hunting. I helped film a portion of the "Dogs on Hogs" video part II.

H&H,hunter
August 3, 2006, 09:45 PM
Harley I've purchased all of my boys from. Sharon at.

www.knitehunt.homestead.com

All of my males dogs are intact.

The Texican.
August 4, 2006, 09:35 PM
when i was a kid, we used our rat terriers to chase all types of game. They worked on site sound and whistles. Granddad kept a pelt of whatever we wanted to hunt on the brazos and the dogs found it if it was there. ran circles around them if they could until we got there and killed it. Hogs were fun, but the stupid dogs did not last long. Kind of like the kid that threw the gernade in the hutch and stood next to the wall. Ate many a meal of wild game. Coons, possums and armadillos are not game and are not fit to cook.

When I was a little tike, 3 or 4, the dogs and i were down at the hay barn anda the dogs were rasing cain around a hole in the hay when i siced the dogs down the hole and they came backing out and dumped a polecat ontop of me and then killed the polecat. Did this twice, before I learned to climb on top of the hay before sicing the dogs on the polecats and skunks. the terriers hated polecats and skunks as much as i did. kept them cleaned out of our area. spent many a time bathing in washtub out in the back yard and slept on the back porch more than once. that was the life for a tike. :D

For those that do not know, the difference between a polecat and a skunk is you can smell the polecat coming and going and they think that they are kong of the stink unitl you sic the dogs on them. Loved them dogs. We now have two male terrier snoozer mixes and they are starting to show good hunting sign.

smart terriers make good hog dogs, stupid terriers teach the smart terriers how not to hunt. Never went hunting with the terriers that we did not bring home game.

Hunting hogs with dogs depends on what kind of dog the hunter has that you are hunting with. If you are going to raise them, terriers make for a fun hunt. :)

whiskey
August 13, 2006, 08:01 PM
Curs for bay dogs and pit/american bulldogs for catch dogs.

Fat White Boy
August 18, 2006, 12:29 AM
In Central California(King City, Paso Robles) the guides I have used use an Airedale-Pitbull mix. It sounds strange but they are fearless...

ninja
July 16, 2007, 10:08 PM
Its funny to hear opinions from people who have never hog hunted or who have never used a specific type of dog to hog hunt with. Yes, a pointer will eat a hog up. They are bred to find game and will bay and catch hogs better than most dogs. I have one that will do it, a registered liver and white english pointer. I also have a German shorthair female that I'm starting now. She is a natural find and bay dog. You cannot go wrong with a pointer. I particularly prefer a pointer/hound/cur cross but any of the three will do it. Dogs don't have to be big to bay or catch hogs. My pittbull is 35 lbs and will catch a 300lb boar. People are so worried about dogs getting cut or killed on hogs. I've never seen one killed. I've been to the woods all over the US, I've hunted with all types of dogs and people. I've never seen a dog killed. It does happen, just like a ufc fighter might die in the ring, but not usually. I've seen dogs get cut real bad and in a month their right back out there. It is a good idea to use cut collars and cut vests, but if you don't just realize your dog will get cut, he will heal, he will hunt again. So please people, if you've never done it, just say you really don't know.

Fat White Boy
July 17, 2007, 12:03 AM
Scorch- I used a guide in King City that bred Airdales with Pitbulls to hunt pigs. He had 30 dogs over a 22 year career killed by hogs.

I'll tell ya though, there aren't too many things more exciting than being in the back of a pickup going 50 or 60 with a couple of other hunters and 4 or 5 dogs all fired up because they can smell hogs...

GregR
July 17, 2007, 12:14 AM
I have seen a half-dozen dogs killed in the last few years, and know some other dogs that didn't make it home although, fortunately, I wasn't on the hunt when it happened. Your own experience may differ. I wouldn't dismiss your opinion, as it is based on your experiences. However, based on my experiences, I don't see how your post could be true. I'm not calling you a liar. Rather, I am pointing out that our opinions are influenced by our experiences, and they're all different.

Based on what I've seen, I wouldn't let one of my Jack Russells hunt hogs. However, I do occasionally turn them loose on wounded hogs (in contrast to my earlier policy of not letting my dogs chase hogs at all) and they seem to perform quite well. Still, I couldn't bear to sew one up or, God forbid, bury one, for the sake of entertainment. I leave the hog hunting to the real hog dogs.

Scorch
July 17, 2007, 12:19 AM
FWB-
I knew several guides in the King City/Paso Robles/Hollister area that used pit bulls exclusively. Got them from the pound and trained them themselves. One had lost dozens of dogs over the years. Pit bulls are not afraid of anything, so they are not very cautious, just run right in. i also knew a guy who was breeding pit bulls with Rottweilers. Looked like a giant pit bull. Good dogs, too.

You can use a bird dog to hunt pigs, but bird dogs have been bred to point, which is a withheld lunge. Lots of bird dogs will scent them out, but few will latch on. But Weimaraners were bred in Germany to be a gamekeeper's dog, track and take on anything from boar to stag. I have no doubt bird dogs could take on a pig, but I don't want to take needle and thread to my $1000 bird dogs.

Fat White Boy
July 17, 2007, 12:23 AM
Scorch- The guy I used was Nessen Scmidt but that was years ago. I usually go to a guy in Paso Robles, now.

There was a butcher in King City that made the best Wild Boar Sausages I have ever eaten in my life...

piercfh
July 17, 2007, 10:54 AM
I have heard of all sorts of dogs baying hogs. Alot of dogs will get in there and bay, but it takes a really gritty dog to go in and grab the pig so you can tie it up or cuff it. I have heard of labs and pointers baying like crazy, and I have even seen beagles bay a hog.

Sounds like you just need a good bay dog. Have you considered the Black Mouth Cur? A man in mississippii named LH Ladner raises some fine ones, and I have been in the woods with a young male that came from his kennels. The bmc's are very loyal and make good pets. The particular ladner cur that I know is very gritty and a very nice pet as well. They are very gentle with children and I have heard of them killign snakes to protect a child.

Check out the Ladner website
http://www2.netdoor.com/~lhladner/

Scorch
July 17, 2007, 12:51 PM
Nessen Schmidt? I used to run around with a guy from Paicines named Jef Schmidt. Wonder if they're related? Jef was part of a pretty good-sized family from down around those parts.

Fat White Boy
July 18, 2007, 01:50 AM
I went Boar hunting over in Thailand when I was in the army back in the '70's. I went with a local village chief who brought his best pig dog along. It looked like a mangy, malnourished Chihuahua but that little booger could track hogs. The chief shot a 200KG boar with a homemade, black powder muzzle loader. Bigtime feast!!

ninja
November 9, 2008, 10:15 PM
I've bayed up hundreds of hogs with lots of different dogs. You can use one good baydog and one good catchdog or you can use one or two dogs that will just find the hog and catch it, like a catahoula bulldog or pittbull cross. Just about every cross has been tried and some dogs from about every cross will bay a hog. If you use cut collars and vests and get to the dogs quick you won't have dead dogs. Cuts are cuts, they will heal up. Most people that get their dogs killed don't use cut collars and cut vests. The cut collars and cut vests cover most of the vital places a hog will try to cut. Pointers are excellent bay dogs and some are straight catch dogs. A buddy of mine has a beagle that is one of the best little hog dogs you'll ever see. Any of the cur, hound or birddog breeds will do it. Another great website to checkout is boardogs.com. Larry parker has some great hog dogs at parkercurdogs.com. I've used jagdterriers and their ok too. Hog hunting is a great sport and on the rise, but we have to be smart and keep our dogs safe by using cut collars and vests. Their is no such thing as a hog dog. The birddog breeders hate the fact that I use a german shorthair but if you look at their history they were bred to be versatile,and the same goes for all the pointer breeds. Bulldogs are great as catchdogs but don't really have the nose most of the time to be a top strike/find dog. Nothing bothers me more than seeing people post ads when they have never done it and are going on heresay. Most hog hunters if you ask them if dogs die while hog hunting will say yes, but if you ask them if they've ever seen it they'll say," no, but I know a buddy that did." And if you dig further you'll find out that about 90% of the time those few dogs that died weren't wearing a cut collar and cut vest. Sometimes hog hunters don't use tracking systems and when the dog doesn't come right back they'll say oh, he probably was killed by a hog or gator. The truth is he's probably lost and on his way to the pound. IF you've never seen it or done it just say so, so the general public is not mislead about this sport.

hogdogs
November 10, 2008, 05:22 AM
I personally know of well over a dozen dead dogs this year. Many were bulldogs while plenty were curr dogs. Once permission has been granted I will post of a recent (this past friday) loss of a great curr dog that was stuck right thru a near new top of the line cut vest. While others were killed when the tusk missed the cut collar by less than 1/4th of an inch... Not all hog dogs die by hogs but many do! I know of very few dogs "lost" most are found that night or the next day. I know of only one that died lost and a couple in the pound but were wearing the required ID collars with owner name and numbers. I also know of too many hunters that have tracked the radio signal each day until they caught the gator and cut their collar out of the belly. And some other dogs pass while caught in a river and just drown.
Brent

L_Killkenny
November 10, 2008, 10:56 AM
Nice to see someone else hunting the Jagdterrier on here!!! Great dogs but , like most terriers, they can be a little pigheaded and too smart for their own good.

Try this site: http://jagineb.proboards104.com/index.cgi

I'm not sure, but if I recall correctly you have to sign up to view. These are the hardcore Jagdterrier man and some of the members are the original guys from over in europe. BTW, ask them what they think of Knitehunt kennals.


IF I were looking for a hog dog my short list would be the jagdterrier, the blackmouth cur and the Catahoula dogs.

Don't limit your choices to the bird dogs. Do some research and you will find out how great and vercitile these dogs can be.

CB

hogdogs
November 10, 2008, 11:03 AM
Having a little bird dog bred into a program is popular...
Jagds are too dern high strung for my tastes...
What folks fail to realize that make the dogs kilkenny lists is "GRIT"...
About any dog can find and bay a pig. But a hog is a far different beast. The dog has to take some abuse and not quit the bay. Some dogs bay like a monster and get hit once and head for the truck box. It takes a special dog to STOP and bay any size hog no matter what.
Unfortunately I am currently dog poor as I sold my good stuff when I was down from the wreck that trashed my arm. Now finding new blood at bargain basement $$$ is tuff!
Brent

hogdogweim
November 17, 2011, 01:12 AM
I see most of you are saying a Weimaraner is a bird dog. As a breeder and hog hunter of Weims, I just had to step in here. They were originally bred in Germany as a large game hunting dogs. Bred and used for Bear and hogs mostly by royalty. Only reason they were started being used as a bird dog is the fact that the large game was depleting. We use our Weimaraner's as hog dogs. They are also closely related to a Plott hound. A Weim has grit, hunt, stamina, and versatility. They do range a little further, more like a hound dog than a cur. We have bullX, blackmouths, Catahoulas Plotts, and the Weims. The Weims have proved themselves to have the grit needed to help stop a hog, and the nose to find one. However, do take into consideration that they are pricier if you are hunting them, and there is always a chance of them getting injured. There are also many in rescues as these dogs need jobs and do better as a pet with a job.

hogdogs
November 18, 2011, 10:01 AM
Weim, Where do you find your weims? Is there lines of true hunting stock in the USA or are you getting lucky with pet and show lines?

Brent

rickyrick
November 18, 2011, 10:15 AM
I had a weim/chocholate lab mix for 14 years, she was the smartest greatest dog I have ever known. I have other dogs but this one I have never found one on par with this dog since she died. And to think she was an unwanted pup because the mix was not intended.