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Glockamolie
June 9, 2006, 07:18 AM
I think this is an appropriate forum, so people can decide how they might handle such situations as these:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=797543339&n=2

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=793503440&n=2

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=794527237&n=2

Apparently this happens every weekend. Did you see the police rush in and stop it? Neither did I.

308Enfield
June 9, 2006, 07:35 AM
The first, and most obvious, option for this is to not be caught in bad neighborhoods at night, but I'll grant that there are times when its unavoidable.

As for a response, the cell phone is your friend. Although, in LA, I don't know if the police would really hurry to answer a call like that if it wasn't in a ritzy area of town. The victims seemed to do pretty well taking advantage of their cars' size and power to work out and away from the attackers, although traffic complicates that kind thing. Against a crowd, a car can scatter people much more quickly than a gun. Unfortunately, short of some kind of turret mounted automatic weapon on the vehicle, I don't see how a CCW would help here; too many people, too much motion, and far too great a chance of a shot entering a store or another vehicle and wounding other people who are either sitting inside or trying to drive away from the situation.

The people I feel worst for are the cab drivers. I regret that anybody is subjected to that kind of attack, but the cab drivers don't have any option to avoid the neighborhood. Its a sad time when a person can't go to work to earn a living without being assaulted by gangs of thugs roaming the street.

BigO01
June 9, 2006, 07:49 AM
Bunch of animals doing what they do best , destroying things .

How sick and sad .

If I lived in that rat hole I would carry shooting muffs and several loadded guns in the car and would consider my life being threatened in such a situation and start blowing some of the scum away plain and simple .

Rangefinder
June 9, 2006, 07:59 AM
I see a whole bunch of punks that need a serious reality check.... Like--- A150 lb. gang banger vs. a 2500 lb. car, 'thump-thump, screach'.....Repeat often.

Trip20
June 9, 2006, 08:22 AM
One thing I'd avoid is opening my car door like the one cab driver. Not smart.

Glockamolie
June 9, 2006, 08:31 AM
I agree that a gun may not be the best tactic, but I would think you'd better come up with something if you find yourself in a similar situation.

Trip20
June 9, 2006, 08:50 AM
A huge cannister of OC fogger???

Or, a trunk monkey.

Glockamolie
June 9, 2006, 09:34 AM
I wonder if a windshield washer system could be converted to spray OC. You could aim them forward. :)

Wings
June 9, 2006, 10:20 AM
"Or, a trunk monkey."


Hahaha! Too funny! :)

Harley Quinn
June 9, 2006, 10:21 AM
If that is what the inner cities are all about, "Feral teenagers and young adults".
We need to go the route of Brazil and hire bounty hunters to exterminate them.
Pretty simple, when they are taking over cities like that and harming innocent people.

And we call it civilization LOL

Where is carebear? Lets hear it for allowing this also.

HQ:rolleyes:

flip180
June 9, 2006, 02:46 PM
I have 300 RWHP on hand in my mustang for times like those. That much power to the rear wheels make for a nasty meat grinder shound I decide to do doughnuts until I can find a way to drive out.

Flip.

MDW Guns
June 9, 2006, 03:14 PM
In South Africa they have a great device for situations like this, since this seemed to be a problem there too: It's a gas pipe going all around the button of the vehicle activated by a foot pedal.
So when stepped on this pedal, a ring of fire goes all around the vehicle!
Now the question is, what would be the legal site of this?

GlocksRfun
June 9, 2006, 03:15 PM
1).. I saw something from over in the England area I think, Flame throwers under the doors.. pretty cool

2) Class 3 with High Cap mags..

3) Stay out of the ghetto.

4) National Gaurd.

Harley Quinn
June 9, 2006, 03:23 PM
Numbers 3 and 4 would be my first choice.

Along with my post about "feral" teenagers and Brazil.

Major breakdown in a civilized society.

HQ

Blackwater OPS
June 9, 2006, 03:34 PM
I think any person in that situation would be in resonable fear of his/her life. Also that WAS a riot, by definition.

That said, such an attack on my vehicle would be a tragic mistake. My CCW gun is a Beretta 96 with 12 rounds mags (I have fired it so much it's an extension of my arm) and I carry several spare mags, but I would only need enough to get to my trunk gun. At that point if they were not running, well, think black hawk down. It would be a slaughter.

stephen426
June 9, 2006, 03:35 PM
I seriously wonder what the legal ramifications are in a situation like that. If I were to pull my gun and shoot some of those pieces of crap, could I justify it as self defense? Would this constitute defending property with lethal force? I bet the parents of those kids would sue the pants off if anyone got killed.

I really like my car and I would really be tempted to do something crazy if that happened to me. I have pepper spray in the car but I doubt it would be effective on a crowd of wild animals such as those. If someone jumped on my hood and started kicking in my winshield, I would definately open fire. If they kept attacking, I would seriously consider running their asses over. My front spoiler is pretty low so I doubt I would actually run them over, but I'm pretty sure I'd smash them up really well. As for being boxed in, its even better to have a car in front and behind so you can smash any legs that are between your car and theirs.

Harley Quinn
June 9, 2006, 03:52 PM
I believe they would have to do more than kick the car swear etc. Jumping on the hood. Before I would hurt someone.

If they broke my windows and tried to get into my car then I would shoot them. But remember some of them have guns and it would esculate. To try and avoid and escape without your injury would be the best way.

Doing what the Cabbie did by just getting out of there is the best bet.

Car can be fixed, death is a terrible thing to experience. Last resort I believe.

HQ:cool:

357 sig 229 sauer
June 9, 2006, 03:52 PM
Notice this happens in CA,an anti gun state.I bet this type of thing happens alot less in places like TX and FL

Blackwater OPS
June 9, 2006, 04:03 PM
They did pull people out of the car, hit people, attempt robbery ect. Lethal force was justified, no doubt in my mind. Also, It was a riot, and CA penal code allows for lethal force for any of these reasons. I would have been even more likely to use force if I was a bystander and I saw this occuring, as chances are I would not have got myself into such a dumb sitation in the first place.

Some of those idiots in Mogadishu had guns too. :cool:

Steamboatsig
June 9, 2006, 04:17 PM
I saw that episode on the South Africa carjacking epidemic. One of the inventions were these gigantic hedge clippers that would come from underneath the car. That was gruesome.

In the case in Oakland, it is a good possibility that many of these idiots have guns too and you would end up shot or killed. How could you possibly target all of them?

(Edited for inappropriate language by Capt Charlie)

Blackwater OPS
June 9, 2006, 04:52 PM
it is a good possibility that many of these idiots have guns too and you would end up shot or killed. How could you possibly target all of them?

I can't really explain years of tactical and firearms training in one sentence. Oh wait, I just did.

hot sauce
June 9, 2006, 04:59 PM
First off it's best to avoid the ghetto/Oakland at night unless you are carrying something Belt Fed! Most of those punks would start crying for their momma if you pulled a pistol and "cleaned" up the street a little. Man, I hate ghetto's.

FLA2760
June 9, 2006, 05:06 PM
When the masses are disarmed as on the left coast you will have such things,
now consider the next possible scenario. They get bored of doing this to cars at intersections and decide to roam through YOUR subdivision and do the same to your home and worse to you and yours. What can be done in places like California...not much but call 911. In Florida the 911 call would go something like this "I hear multiple gunshots from at least 10 homes on my block and there appears to be large numbers of people down on at least 10 of those front porches" welcome to Florida :D Sun fun and freedom

pumpkinheaver
June 9, 2006, 05:13 PM
A bunch of worthless pieces of shat. What do you do when wild hogs get over populated? You thin them out. Somebody should thin these idiots out. I suspect the cops will do nothing about it.

OneInTheChamber
June 9, 2006, 06:09 PM
I'd use my car as a weapon. Never have to reload, easy to aim, and packs quite a punch.

I would not be getting out the car to get to a trunk gun.

Blackwater OPS
June 9, 2006, 06:38 PM
How much protection is that car providing if those punks decide to start shooting at the guy trying to run them over? Also consider that many of the drivers were mostly pinned in with little room to maneuver. A vehicle is a deathtrap in that kind of attack. Sure you can run people over in one direction but they can shoot at you from all sides. IMO it would be better to exit the car and take the offensive. Of course, you need good and extensive training to be able to do that. So get it.

Don't discount CA so fast just because we have been overrun by liberals and our gun laws are nuts. MANY people here are seriously into guns, possibly more so than in less restrictive states.

Odd Job
June 9, 2006, 07:03 PM
The South African Blaster system originally had gas tanks and could melt anybody on either side of the car, but the product was changed due to road safety fears in the event of a collision. They said it was an explosion hazard. I know that they were developing a CS gas version and in this California situation it would be ideal. If you run one of those arse-hats over with your car, you'll lose in court because he will say he was not one of the people denting your car. If you shoot one, you also lose because they will say when was your life in danger, especially since they appear to be unarmed (I saw one guy with a rod or stick). So I say CS gas them all.
If I wasn't worried about legal matters I would load up a high-capacity hopper on a paintball gun, have the gun at waist level and open up in 360 degree fire. If anyone got too lippy he might catch one in the face, tough luck if he loses an eye.

Harley Quinn
June 9, 2006, 08:00 PM
Thats funny, I had a good laugh, Keep it up :D :D
HQ

DasBoot
June 10, 2006, 07:59 AM
Always, ALWAYS! The same group of people causing destruction and violence on innocent people!!
What in God's name is it with segments of the black community that thinks this is ok?:mad:
And you can bet your life there would be some liberal "piece of feces" lawyer defending any of them that got run over or shot by someone trying to defend themselves and/or their family.
I drove a cab on & off for 5 yrs in NYC, and every problem/altercation/attempted rip-off I had was with blacks?
Where can I find videos of whites acting this way?
Just so I can see that it's not just a "black" thing?
And the black friends that I have are just as clueless as to the "whys" as I am!!!
This garbage wouldn't try this crap in a "carry" state!
On second thought, I wish they would!!;)

Harley Quinn
June 10, 2006, 08:59 AM
Now I am going to ask, :D :D Did you ever finish the safe job.:rolleyes:

If you carry do you think they won't be? Gunfight at Miami Beach, we can make movie about it. The rappers can have a new song and 100 years from now they will still be talking about it.:p

HQ

DasBoot
June 10, 2006, 09:38 AM
The "safe job" is on hold till further notice.:p
And as for a gunfight, it would probably take 15 of them, all shooting "Gangsta" style, to get one decent hit!!!:rolleyes:

(Edited for veiled language by Capt Charlie)

kentak
June 10, 2006, 10:35 AM
Get an old junker and load it up until the suspension bottoms out with an ammonium nitrate bomb. Rig it for TV guided remote control. Drive it into the crowd, and when they swarm...

Just a thought. Might act as a deterrent for the next time.

K

marlboroman84
June 10, 2006, 12:59 PM
Blackwater,
Me and and you should go up there man. I'll bring my "trunk gun". :D we should get a bunch of us from TFL together be like a nice friendly get together lol. In all seriousness though I hate these idiots that think having a good time is causing pain and destruction to good people's stuff. Sad,sad world.

Steamboatsig
June 10, 2006, 01:40 PM
I think you should do it. Make sure you get video too. I will be happy to post it on my Myspace webpage.

I especially like the idea of loading up a car with explosives. Remember James Bond's White Lotus Espirit security system? For that matter you could use any Junker, just put shiny spinning wheels to make them get hypnotized by the bling bling dubs. Maybe add a subwoofer to get them extra Hyped. I'll bet Mythbusters could rig something up, I think they are in the area.

***Steamboatsig cannot be held liable for any advice he gives to members of the Firing Line.***

choover
June 13, 2006, 03:37 AM
I would say any that opened the door or tried to get in a window would take a head shot. I think this situation can justify fear for ones life.

Harley Quinn
June 13, 2006, 08:40 AM
I have to agree. But it would be better if you could just get out of there.

Go to a body shop have your insurance pay for the damage and right off the rest, and never go back to that part of town. I feel sorry for the ones who have to live there and have no choice.:confused: Well they do have a choice.

Killing someone is not as easy as one thinks. But if fearful for your life and life of loved ones, it does get easier they say.

HQ

gunslinger1911ACP
June 13, 2006, 09:47 AM
The best thing to do is avoid these areas all together.

FirstFreedom
June 13, 2006, 10:08 AM
Police Chief must be proud.

Is there a special "Oakland Idgits" rider available on insurance policies out there?

M14fan
June 13, 2006, 12:08 PM
Any situation such as this requires more firepower to resolve effectively than any one person is likely to have at their disposal. What does need to happen here is a major police operation. Unfortunately, our jails are so full that most of these vermin would probably be back on the street before the ink was dry on the police reports. The only solution likely to be effective is organized community resistance. Lots of vehicles loaded with lots of well armed people.


Could we just build a big fence around this area and make it a prison?

M14fan
June 13, 2006, 12:13 PM
Why not plan a Hell's Angels ride through this area? Should be entertaining.

FirstFreedom
June 13, 2006, 12:53 PM
Why not plan a Hell's Angels ride through this area? Should be entertaining.

I would LOVE to see that. :D

choover
June 13, 2006, 01:59 PM
Getting away may seem the best option, but if one could justifiable take a few out, this may make the others think twice next time they go to do this. Next time they went to a car they may remember their buddies brain matter flying on them.

I think force would be the best option, better to make em think about it before this happens to a car pool with kids in it.

U.S.SFC_RET
June 20, 2006, 08:46 PM
Can you name me any inner city in North America with blacks in it that is safe from black on black crime.
Can you name any inner city in North America that can govern itself sucessfully? Schools? Crime? Drugs? Gangs? Family unit? Family values across the board?
There is clearly a demarcation line that divides the american black community. Establishment and Anti-Establishment these are the two main subcultures.
Establishment progresses. Anti-Establishment digresses and pressures establishement. This horrible crime was committed by Anti-Establishment.

Tazz10m
June 20, 2006, 09:08 PM
I lived in LA for 20 years. I call this situation of being surrounded by attacking rioters a "Reginald Denny Situation" named after the guy who was too nice to run the bastards over in his truck and instead got pulled out and got his head bashed in with a cinder block... amongst other things.

RUN THE BASTARDS OVER!!! F'EM!!!

Carry your gun ON YOU, loaded, and ready to go. If you can't drive away one way or another... SHOOT THEM. Clear a path and RUN... and keep running (and shooting if you need too) until you get to the nearest open gun store and reload and restock, in that order... then get going... get out of there and get to your next car... cuz your old car is gone. Get on with your life... and don't lose a minute of sleep over it... although, you more than likely will. Count your blessings that you did the right thing and didn't get your head bashed in and/or get killed. Go have a good beer and say "CHEERS! LIFE IS GOOD!"

If you're living i LA and you have a half a brain... MOVE! Go find a better place to live. I did, and it's the best decision i ever made.

banditt007
June 20, 2006, 09:22 PM
vids in first post dont work for me, didnt see any other links...

Blackwater OPS
June 20, 2006, 09:30 PM
HOOT THEM. Clear a path and RUN... and keep running (and shooting if you need too) until you get to the nearest open gun store and reload and restock, in that order.

LOL, Shoot your way to the gun store?

razorburn
June 20, 2006, 11:15 PM
Das boot- white people riots. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/64141/scottish_soccer_hooligans/

And I doubt the hells angels would do much. I haven't heard about them for a long, long time. Aren't they all a bunch of middle-aged guys now? Heavily armed gangs of urban youth rule those streets. They'll just pulled off their bikes, beat up, and shot by the younger, stronger and more numerous population in those areas.

ATW525
June 23, 2006, 09:19 AM
vids in first post dont work for me, didnt see any other links...

They were likely removed for violating myspace's policies against the promotion of criminal activity.

cje1980
July 4, 2006, 01:59 PM
The really sad thing is that the places that are supposed to be a utopia of peace driven by gun control are the most uncivilized and violent places in the country. There isn't supposed to be any violence in these areas because gun control is such a wonderfu concept:rolleyes: . I guarantee if more of law abiding citizens in these areas were allowed to own and carry firearms these thugs would be much more hesitant to display this kind of behavior. Back in Wyoming, if residents saw this type of nonsense happening in their neighborhoods, these thugs would get blasted one by one by the law abiding residents that own firearms.