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johnsonrlp
June 5, 2006, 02:51 AM
Do you leave your chamber empty so you can chachunk your home intruder a warning? Or are you locked and loaded? And why?

Para Bellum
June 5, 2006, 03:30 AM
if you carry the gun on your body: keep the chamber loaded

if you don't and the gun is put somewhere else: keep the chamber empty. It's safer this way if somebody else gets to the gun before you do. Gives you a second more to react...

threefivesevenmag
June 5, 2006, 07:37 AM
No chachunk.

Treat all guns as if they were loaded.

Model520Fan
June 5, 2006, 07:55 AM
No chachunk. I don't "Hollywood" my revolvers, anyway. Para Bellum's remark about off-body guns don't apply to me, because that is pretty much illegal in MA (and unwise, in my opinion). Furthermore, while a "chachunk" has a sort of poetic appeal as an unstated warning, it is not always the best tactic. I would rather be armed, and be able to choose whether or not to warn based on the actual circumstances.

mete
June 5, 2006, 08:35 AM
You're going to scare the BG with a cachunk ??? The BG who's a psychopath high on drugs and alcohol ??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

dev_null
June 5, 2006, 09:31 AM
My pistols are good to go. The shotgun sits in the corner of the bedroom and will need to be kachunked because I don't want to rely solely on the safety until the wife has been trained. It's kind of an unmistakeable sound and will hopefully get the message across. If not, the next sound they hear will presumably do it.

(Edited for clarity)

Teach
June 5, 2006, 09:42 AM
If they have already entered my castle, they do not deserve a warning. I will prosecute them with extreme prejudice.

Glenn E. Meyer
June 5, 2006, 09:52 AM
Two schools of thought:

1. Unloaded for safety - side benefit is that you will 'scare' the cowardly intruder as all criminals are 'cowards'. Avoids shooting some innocent wandering around the house at night

2. Other side:
a. slow to get into action
b. you can mess up the racking and disable the gun for a bit
c. you announce your location.

I find it is the untrained, gun enthusiast who gushes over how the shotgun sound will scare them away. They will come to the top of the stairs and rack. I told them, that if I were in their house, that's the place they get shot.

I keep an immediate defense gun loaded. For sound effects, we have a very loud alarm that calls the cops also.

Wyo Cowboy
June 5, 2006, 10:14 AM
This just makes me think about a "chachunk" incident which occured several years ago at a bar in Powell, Wyoming. It seems that cowboy munber 1 had a few too many brews and got into a minor scuffle with a few other cowboys. Basicly CB#1 got his rearend slightly whipped and tossed out the door. CB#1 when to his pickup, grabbed his 870 and re-entered the bar. ChaCHUNK! :eek: The bar went silent. CB#1 liked the response. ChaCHUNK!! :eek: CB#1 had everyones undivided attention. ChaCHUNK!!! :eek: Cowboy number 1 was thouroughily enjoying his new found respect. Unfortunatily for CB#1 he was in a bar in WYOMING! Most people there know about guns... and can count! :D CB#1 had shucked ALL of his shells on the barroom floor. :p Then they REALLY beat the dogsnot out of him. The Sheriff was called and CB#1 ended up with a vacation with all expences paid by the county.

HangFire83
June 5, 2006, 10:30 AM
Nightstand gun is cocked, locked, ready to rock. The shotty under the bed will need to be racked.

axslingerW
June 5, 2006, 10:46 AM
My firearms are either loaded and chambered or unloaded and locked up. If loaded they are on my person. I will not give a warning call, shout, or sound. The first (and hopefully last) sound an intruder will hear will be BANG!

Para Bellum
June 5, 2006, 01:20 PM
Para Bellum's remark about off-body guns don't apply to me, because that is pretty much illegal in MA (and unwise, in my opinion).
please share your wisdom with me.
- do you sleep with a belt and a gun?
- or do you leave a chamber-loaded gun at or close to your bed but off your body?

leadcounsel
June 5, 2006, 02:04 PM
The answer is that "it depends"

For me, my carry pistol always has a round in the chamber. I have complete control of it at all times and may require draw and shoot immediately.

My nightstand pistol always has a round in it, as does the gun in my desk drawer. It may require that I grab it and shoot it immediately.

I also feel safe that my handguns have "drop safeties" and won't discharge if they fall onto the ground whereas my rifles and shotguns offer no such safety.

My other guns in my home are either completely unloaded and locked up or need to be racked to put a bullet in the chamber, but also locked up. Here are some reasons for this.

My rifles are stored in my safe pointing UP. As I draw them from the safe, the barrel is pointing squarely at my HEAD. I'm not comfortable keeping a round in the chamber for that reason. Something may snag the trigger, safeties may fail, it might slip from my grasp and fall, etc. It's too costly of an accident waiting to happen, especially if I'm in a hurry and tug on the shotgun or AR to quickly get it from the safe. I know they aren't loaded and it takes only a moment to rack them. I won't be clearing my home anyway, so it will be a defensive barricade position, in my room with the gun trained on the door. Plenty of time to rack the round.

If you don't have a safe, another reason to not keep a loaded chamber is curious people. Another reason is maybe the gun falls over (maybe the dog knocks against it, or there's an earthquake, whatever) and the firing pin slams against the primer. BOOM. I don't believe that military style rifles and shotguns have pistol style firing pin/striker blockers. 'nuff said.

Another reason is a theory of an unlikely event. Lets suppose you don't have a safe and have an AR laying around with a loaded chamber. Could a housefire cook off the round in the chamber? Could it continue to shoot as each successive round was ejected and chambered? I have no idea. But I suppose it's possible.

I vote that the racking sound is a detriment, not a benefit. For that reason I vote not to "chachunk" but for the reasons above. Of course I'd have to for my HD shotgun, but it would be an immediate action after drawing the firearm, not a "signal" of intent like Hollywood portrays. If I'm using a shotgun, there won't be a warning.

AmesJainchill
June 5, 2006, 02:09 PM
CB#1 when to his pickup, grabbed his 870 and re-entered the bar. ChaCHUNK! The bar went silent. CB#1 liked the response. ChaCHUNK!! CB#1 had everyones undivided attention. ChaCHUNK!!! Cowboy number 1 was thouroughily enjoying his new found respect. Unfortunatily for CB#1 he was in a bar in WYOMING! Most people there know about guns... and can count! CB#1 had shucked ALL of his shells on the barroom floor.

870s don't carry three rounds?

Wyo Cowboy
June 5, 2006, 03:06 PM
Just went and looked at my 870. Two in the mag tube, one in the chamber. ChaChunk, chaChunk, chaChunk... empty 870. I've seen and fired 870's which carry anything from 2 to 8 shells.

Geezz... I was just trying to tell a funny story.:rolleyes:

Duxman
June 5, 2006, 03:32 PM
The only sound the BG will hear (in this particular scenario) if he is not facing me is the safety coming off the weapon, and Verbal warning.

But if BG has what seems to be a weapon in hand, the sound will be safety coming off and bullets flying towards the BG.

Assuming of course I am 100% that this is an intruder and not my brother's sister's cousin coming to raid the refrigirator. :eek:

leadcounsel
June 5, 2006, 04:13 PM
870s with a plug carry 3 shells. Without the plug they can carry more.

5whiskey
June 5, 2006, 07:56 PM
with the plug in, 2 in the mag, 1 in the chamber. I obviosly wouldn't assume someone had their plug in and bet they just rack all their rounds out.

However, if someone is stupid enough to keep racking his shotgun because he thinks it sounds cool, he deserves to have the snot beat out of him

KC135
June 5, 2006, 08:00 PM
On what:confused: :confused: :confused:

Glockamolie
June 5, 2006, 08:04 PM
All my handguns are kept with a round in the chamber. Shotguns are kept "patrol ready", with an empty chamber, safety off, and having been dry-fired, so there's no messing with releasing the action. Just pump and go.

BigFunWMU
June 5, 2006, 09:24 PM
The intruder's polite warning was the locked door. Things become significantly less civil when the polite warning is ignored.

Things that come next are the million candle power spotlight that charges by my dresser, (4 roommates, all my tools are in my room somehow :rolleyes: ) and harsh language with the potential for a quiet click (safety) followed by loud bang noises (trigger).

RevoRick
June 5, 2006, 09:35 PM
While you are Chachunking an armed intruder will shoot you if he is so inclined. If i expect a problem I will have one in the chamber.

tegemu
June 6, 2006, 07:39 AM
A warning just tells an intruder where you are so he can shoot you. If someone is in my house uninvited, I am fairly certain he has not come in to inform me I have just won the lottery. He means to do me harm so my response is to be Firstest with the mostest. Shoot him first and then warn him.

Syntax360
June 6, 2006, 09:06 AM
Nightstand gun always has one in the pipe - there would be no warning. I'm not going to get shot trying to be macho.

The shotgun is a different story, but I count on my handgun if something goes bump in the night.

kraven
June 6, 2006, 09:40 AM
Home defense weapon is a revolver. All chambers loaded. One speed loader in reach at night along with a mag light.
No chachunk.

dev_null
June 6, 2006, 10:45 AM
A warning just tells an intruder where you are so he can shoot you.
People keep repeating that, but is it really true? Maybe if he's in the same room with you. But consider this scenario:

BG is tippy-toeing around living room. I'm in bedroom. I rack the slide on the 870, and bark out "I AM ARMED AND WILL DEFEND MYSELF. POLICE ARE ON THE WAY. YOU HAVE THREE SECONDS BEFORE I START SHOOTING." I immediately move to the other side of the room.

BG doesn't know exactly which room the sounds came from, and even if he guesses correctly, AND is dumb or high enough to come on against the shotty, AND thinks he knows where in the room I was standing, I've already moved.

Am I going to jump out of the bedroom door and take a chance he doesn't have his Gansta Nine pointed in my direction? Hell, no.

Are the chances pretty damned good that he'll leave pronto and not chance it again? Hell, yes.

And even if he doesn't, he's going to have to come down the hallway and into the bedroom door, backlit by the light from the other end, and face the 12-ga. with the Surefire on it. See ya.


Oh, and if for some reason I can't get to the 870, the D-E .50AE is in the nightstand, and the only sound it will need to make to get into play is the muffled snick of the safety.

threefivesevenmag
June 6, 2006, 11:11 AM
I don't think your verbal warning should be that long.

If they don't "run" when you've stated that you've called 911, then it really doesn't matter if they know you're armed or not.

Why a Desert Eagle .50 AE? Just curious.

autopsytech
June 6, 2006, 11:18 AM
Nope. I don't CHACHUNK. There's already a round in the chamber. I want the element of surprise on my side. If BG is armed in any way, by hearing the racking of the slide he's going to be ready for a fight. Keep the element of surprise on your side. Don't give him any oppurtunity to get one up on you.:)

ebd10
June 6, 2006, 11:28 AM
If I "chachunk", I have surrendered the element of surprise. I don't want them to know the fight has started until after it's over.

flashman70
June 6, 2006, 11:44 AM
Like others, nightstand pistol has one in the chamber (or all cylinders) and shotgun is loaded, but nothing up the spout.

steelheart
June 6, 2006, 11:45 AM
are you locked and loaded? And why?
I read in one of Masaad Ayoob's columns years ago about a guy who kept a 1911 at his bedside with an empty chamber. The poice found him, 1911 in hand with a feeding jam, and a bullet hole in his skull.

No, thanks. Condition 1 for me.

Edward429451
June 6, 2006, 12:06 PM
Like others, nightstand pistol has one in the chamber (or all cylinders) and shotgun is loaded, but nothing up the spout.


Ditto.

OneInTheChamber
June 6, 2006, 02:53 PM
Chachunk????

I'll go for the weapon that makes the "Clack" if the condition one handgun isn't going to be enough.

jcoiii
June 6, 2006, 03:11 PM
I like this philosophy:

My bedside table pistol is ready to go. I don't have a shotgun as of yet. However, this is how my father has his set up.
Safety on
Empty chamber
Chamber closed

The idea is that if BG somehow gets hold of shot gun first, his first obstacle to firing is the safety. Once he figures that out, *click*. THEN he has to rack the shotgun. By that time, he has a nice failure drill pattern in him.

And, just in case visiting family might somehow, in some freak way, manage to somehow lay hands on it, those safety features are also in place.

But, the pistol is ready to go at all times.

mgdavis
June 6, 2006, 10:54 PM
Well, the bedside 870 is cruiser ready, the nightstand Glock 19 rests in its holster loaded. The only reason for the empty chamber of the shotgun, and the extra step with the Glock, is that I have had a couple very vivid dreams in which I was trying very hard to reach the weapon next to me, but could not. I don't want to shoot anything (least of all myself) in my sleep.

dev_null
June 6, 2006, 11:37 PM
Why a Desert Eagle .50 AE? Just curious.
My thinking was that when I want to stop 'em, I want to STOP 'em. Might be a bit of overkill (no pun intended), might not. Since I'm in a single family home at the bottom of a cul-de-sac with no neighbors on two sides, I'm not so concerned about overpenetration.

That said, I'm actually reconsidering for two reasons: first is that there is one angle by which a missed shot could conceivably go down the hall and out the study window that faces a neighbor's garage across the cul-de-sac. (Then again, not sure that switching to .45 ACP or 10 mm is much better in that regard.) The other is because it's a lot easier to one-hand the latter two than the DE, and somehow the idea of trying to control that bad boy with one hand while holding the flashlight with my weak hand is enough to give me pause.

BTW, did you know that "cul-de-sac" literally means "@$$ of the bag?" Hey, I'm all kinds of helpful!

FirstFreedom
June 7, 2006, 12:34 AM
Do you leave your chamber empty so you can chachunk your home intruder a warning?

I couldn't vote because I keep one in the chamber, but also still chachunk for intimidation, throwing the live one out on the floor. :)

Glenn E. Meyer
June 7, 2006, 09:34 AM
I propose the Chachunk grenade. It wouldn't be too hard with today's tech to make a small gadget that emits a giant chachunk. Upon hearing a bad guy, you can toss the chachunker down the stairs or outside the safe room.

There are other ways to record a Chachunk and have it played in the house.

It seems to be reasonable that one has a ready to go gun. I have available pistols and revolvers like that. The long arms - shotgun or AR (my preferred Zombie house gun) do need to be chambered but that is for safety as compared to sound effects.

warwagon
June 7, 2006, 12:59 PM
Glen...:D

I keep mine loaded, chamber empty, with a pistol, close, and ready.

It worked for the years I was on the job, and still does.

kraven
June 7, 2006, 01:25 PM
Glen, the chachunk grenade is the funniest thing I've read on a gun forum in years. :D And, a great idea too for the guys who like the chachunk sound. They can get the chachunk right on the guy's foot.
Too funny.
:)

johnsonrlp
June 7, 2006, 01:57 PM
Interesting. It would definately confuse someone. Might make for a good distraction too. You could, for instance, throw a few of them to either side of the BG. If he starts shooting towards the sound you gain the advantage.:)

dev_null
June 7, 2006, 02:00 PM
Ipods, with motion sensors, different parts of the room. Get enough and it's like a scene from a movie!

skeeter1
June 7, 2006, 02:10 PM
I keep a wheelgun loaded and in the bedroom dresser drawer, so the first (and last) sound some BG breaking into my house is going to hear will be "BOOM."

BigO01
June 7, 2006, 03:37 PM
Home defense weapon is a revolver. All chambers loaded. One speed loader in reach at night along with a mag light.
No chachunk.

Same here even though if I did reach for an auto it would have to have a round chambered , I doubt the BG is going to hear anything over his own screams because the dog will be keeping him busy untill I get there .

Mannlicher
June 7, 2006, 03:40 PM
giving away your position, and status is a bad idea. Taking the time to do what you should have already done, may cost you your life. If you think the 'chachunk' sound scares folks, just wait until they hear "KABLAM"

Koz
June 7, 2006, 04:04 PM
I make the sound with my mouth.

skeeter1
June 7, 2006, 05:15 PM
+BigO01

My shooting buddy and his wife have a 98lb Doberman, which serves as the first line. If anyone knocked on the door and heard that dog, they would 1). pee their pants, and 2). run like heck. I've known the dog for 10 years, and to me she's a sweetie, but if I were a stranger, I'd boogey out of there as fast as I could.

XavierBreath
June 7, 2006, 08:52 PM
I prepare my shotguns with the chamber empty and the hammer down for one reason. A Winchester 1300 will work exactly like a Mossberg 500 in that configuration. No safeties to push, no slide to release. I use both for home defense. Set up like that, I have the chamber empty for safety, yet the function is the same regardless of what I have in my hand. This is the purpose of condition "cruiser ready".

The sound effect is just a byproduct of being prepared. If it works, I do not have to replace the carpet. If it does not, then the carpet gets replaced.

FirstFreedom
June 13, 2006, 12:59 PM
"Cha-chunk Grenade"... tee hee. :D Steelheart, he won't even hear that since your .357 mag bullet is travelling faster than the speed of sound. It's just a peaceful lights-out - really too mild of a fate for one as deserving of more as someone who invades your home. At least give hime the SA-cock click a la Silence of the Lambs so he will experience some fear. :)

gdeal
June 13, 2006, 01:43 PM
Revolver always six chambers loaded. Semi-Auto and pump shotgun I would want the chamber empty.

san_chang4837
June 15, 2006, 01:22 PM
chamber empty

ed: lol wheelgunners can gloat...

Samurai
June 15, 2006, 02:08 PM
I carry with the chamber empty, but I don't know ANYONE else who does.

I don't carry empty because I think the sound (chachunk, was it?) will frighten anyone. I carry empty because I only recently got my concealed carry permit, and I'm still afraid I'll sit on the stupid thing and switch the safety off. (Everyone tells me this is dumb, and no, I don't need to hear it again, thank you.) Plus, there's the contingency for someone to grab it and squeeze the trigger, etc... I'm new, and I'm still paranoid. Sue me.

But, at the same time, I don't see the logic/wisdom in believing that you need to have the gun chambered. If a guy is pointing a gun at you, does anyone actually believe they will be able to "quick draw" successfully before the other guy can simply squeeze the trigger? And, if the gun is not pointed at you yet, i.e., you're in your home and hear the badguy downstairs, then why can't you simply go get your gun from the nightstand, rack it, and go to work? Is the "click" of the safety going to give away your position any less than the racking noise? Maybe my safety switch is just really loud...

fmjgordo
June 15, 2006, 03:00 PM
i keep all my guns chambers empty. it takes about a second to load an sks. that noise of the bolt slamming forward signifies they just went from being the hunter to being the hunted.

Shaun
June 15, 2006, 04:16 PM
samurai, not to rag on you, but carrying a concealed handgun unchambered cancels out the purpose of having the gun. Brandishing is usually illegal, so if you are pulling that weapon out, you are intending to use it. Most gunfights take place at very close distances, often an arms length. In a defensive handgun class, they very often teach how to use your weak arm to fend off an attack while drawing your weapon. Last i checked it takes two hands to rack the slide on an semi-automatic (this conclusion comes after a failed experiment where i used my teeth to rack a semiauto). If a round is not chambered you now have a 2lb hunk of steel in your hand, useless. If youre skittish about having a loaded carry gun, get a revolver. Thinking youll have time to draw, rack ,and fire is like not wearing your seatbelt and thinking youll put it on as the accident is about to occur. Once again, i apologize if you feel i am ragging on you. But you are defeating the purpose of a concealed weapon if its not chambered.

Onto the HD weapon issue, unless you leave your doors unlocked, or dont have a dog (get one!!), you will most likely not be in the situation where you are caught completely by surprise. If you live alone and dont drink or have any friends over or nephews and neices, then sure, leave all your guns loaded and what not. In my house all my guns are unchambered, revolvers unloaded (i can speed load blindfolded if i had to) im not afraid of waking up surrounded by gang members. But hey, different strokes move the world.

Samurai
June 16, 2006, 08:51 AM
I bet that hurt! (the teeth thing...)

I know. I know... It's a comfort thing right now. I'll get to where I trust the mechanics of the weapon enough to depend on the safety switch. But, I'm not there yet. (When in doubt, train, train, train, right?)

I guess I can pretty-well defend against an attacker with one hand (don't believe my screenname, I'm not really that good...), but I think it would be an awful risk to draw one-handed in the middle of a scuffle. I'm sure there's a way to do it, and I'm sure I'll learn that trick later. Have to learn to squeeze the trigger without a 6" flinch first!

stephen426
June 16, 2006, 09:11 AM
My night stand pistol is loaded and ready to go. The 870 is chamber empty, and dry fired so I rack without fumbeling for the release. I also have an alarm and keep the door locked so giving away my position is not that big of a deal.

JoshB
June 16, 2006, 07:46 PM
I keep my 1911 [primary carry and HD weapon] in condition 1. I wouldn't want it any other way because it's ready when I need it.
I keep my AK [backup home defense weapon in case the BG is wearing body armor or I'm up against a bear, etc] in condition 3 because racking the bolt makes a nice sound. The AK also has a strange safety, so by keeping it in condition 3, I won't forget to put it on fire when I need it.

Glenn E. Meyer
June 17, 2006, 10:19 AM
Endless argument about carrying unchambered with a handgun.

The entire unchambered issue revolves around trigger pull. So get a revolver with a 12 lb pull. Argument over.

Next, why carry a semiauto chambered? Because the more you have to do to get the gun into action in an incident, the higher the probability that something goes wrong. It is unarguable math.

Mark that risk against the risk you will ND or someone grabs your gun before you make it hot - make your decision.

Long arms are slightly different as many are not so safe when you drop them. That's the reason for unchambered carry for them for the most part.

profshadow
June 17, 2006, 05:14 PM
Making damn sure of target first, but otherwise:

Old and trusty Enfield pistol (.38 S &W rounds, six shooter, breaks in middle) in drawer at bedside, all six ready.

Wife and I both have S&W 642 with Crimson Trace grips, all five chambers ready.

And the BUG (Kel-tec P32) has the extended mag,, giving it 10+1

Next couple weapons will be the same. And yeah, OC spray handy too.

Paranoid? Naw....I live in Jacksonville, FL, near the Interstate, so more like "prepared"

Rainbow Six
June 17, 2006, 11:50 PM
Just a thought... the 870 safety is a trigger block, not a hammer/sear lock. Our SOP defines "cruiser ready" as loaded mag tube (ours hold four rounds) with the safety off and the hammer dropped on an empty chamber. Supposedly, if the 870 is handled rough enough on safety there have been instances where the sear released and fired a round with the safety on. I've never seen it happen but that's what they teach in our shotgun training now...

stratus
June 18, 2006, 12:46 AM
Chachunk if it's a Glock or a Shotgun.

No Chachunk if it's a DA/SA or most types of long gun.

Good question by the way.

mvpel
June 18, 2006, 01:48 AM
Remember that 98% of defensive firearms use don't involve discharge of the firearm - so the "ca-chunk" school of thought does have at least that aspect going for it. The sound of a racking shotgun is an unmistakable, gut-level warning to the intruder that he's moments away from a great deal of pain if he continues with his actions.

But I tend to lean towards a shouted warning if I'm going to give one. Defensive firearms should be loaded, otherwise they're glorified and expensive clubs.

XavierBreath
June 18, 2006, 09:37 AM
I see three reasons for stowing a pump shotgun at cruiser ready.

Reason one, when carried in an automobile that may very well be involved in an accident, an empty chamber makes for a safe weapon. No amount of impact can discharge the gun.

Reason two is potentially more important. In "cruiser ready" condition, all pump shotguns work the same. One does not have to worry about where the slide release or safety is, nor whether he is holding a Remington, Mossberg, or Winchester. In all three you simply rack the slide aim and pull the trigger.

Reason three: Racking the slide is gross motor movement. Snicking off safeties and slide releases are fine motor movements. Fine motor skills tend to elude us when under severe stress. It is much better to only have the need for gross motor skills. Cruiser ready allows that.

The chachunk noise is a byproduct of other considerations.

Samurai
June 19, 2006, 08:47 AM
Carried a chambered round all weekend, and I didn't shoot myself/others. Also, I didn't accidentally disengage the safety. Baby steps...

Model520Fan
June 19, 2006, 09:33 PM
Long arms are slightly different as many are not so safe when you drop them. That's the reason for unchambered carry for them for the most part.

Thank you, Glenn. A good friend of mine killed himself accidentally because he thought he was smarter than he was, meaning he was a good old boy with an IQ of 140 or so who had been around guns all his life and didn't know what you wrote above, or never thought it through properly.

Arizona Fusilier
June 19, 2006, 11:26 PM
While I would admit the "chachunk" is probably overrated by Hollywood and the like......

I think it it is an advantageous "by product" of the cruiser-ready condition (like XavierBreath so aptly put it). I'm afraid I'm very dismissive of this whole "give away your position" angle. I don't know what y'all were taught in your CCW classes, but vocalizing to the threat while there is still time to do so was part and parcel of threat management. Obviously if he's standing over the bed your not interested in making threats or "chachunks". But if he/they are still in the other room, I think prudence, legal or otherwise, dictates the use of the "get the hell out of here" idiom.

The average punk will high-tail it. The absolutley zonked-out meth-head that is not in his right mind is going to do what he's going to do, "chachunk" or no. Regardless, the purpose of "chachunk" is not to demoralize them with the legendary, infallible, death ray effects of the shotgun. It's to convince them beyond a reasonable doubt that you are indeed armed, and not bluffing, and that is their cue to leave.

So yeah, it might be overrated, but in the main, I see no harm. I mean, if people kept it on an empty chamber for safety purposes, you wouldn't tell them not to chamber it?:confused:

Of course, if you are a member of the Super-Secret North American Action-Hero Ranger Squad, and live in palpable fear of Al-Qaeda ninjas with GPS-guided bullets that will home in on your position once you've "chachunked", then by all means, remain stealthy in your ambush position and do not vocalize or otherwise utter a peep.

You are, after all, good enough to ascertain the difference in footfall from your would-be assassins and your son/daughter coming home late.:rolleyes:

Mannlicher
June 20, 2006, 02:45 PM
I guess this is going to be asked over, and over, and over. The same folks post the same replies again and again. It's a personal preferance thing, and most will never change their minds, nor should they. If your choice works for you, go for it.
The one thing I will inject here though, is about 'cruiser ready'. For me, thats a great way for cops to carry their shotguns in their cars. I see no valid reasons to have your bedside weapon in that condition. Three reasons were brought up by XavierBreath, first that if involved in an accident, it would not go off is on its face, invalid in your bedroom. The second reason about all shotguns working the same, is also invalid, with the same 870 being by the bed year in and year out, and the third about motor skills is invalidated by use and training.
No, Cruiser ready is not a good idea for home use.

Glenn E. Meyer
June 20, 2006, 02:52 PM
1. You perhaps will not keep the shotgun chambered for safety reasons discussed above.

2. When you pick it up because you think you might have to use it and chamber, the sound is side effect. If it has some effect - goodie.

3. You don't keep it unchambered for sound effects. Better sound effects are:

a. Big dog
b. Internal alarm siren you can trigger from your safe room
c. Verbal warning

There is nothing more in this debate than these statements.

Remember to double tap your chachunks as you don't need the ammo anyway. Chachunk as you clear each room and go around a corner too. :D

dev_null
June 20, 2006, 05:28 PM
Every thread that starts out with "here's what I do" seems to devolve into "here's what I do, and anyone who does differently is wrong." It gets really bloody tiresome after a while. I don't need anyone's permission for or agreement with my decisions, and grant you the same privilege.

EDIT: Ok, that was a little on the grumpy side. I feel better now. :D

Mannlicher
June 20, 2006, 06:37 PM
dev nullEvery thread that starts out with "here's what I do" seems to devolve into "here's what I do, and anyone who does differently is wrong." It gets really bloody tiresome after a while. I don't need anyone's permission for or agreement with my decisions, and grant you the same privilege.

now that would sure keep the threads down to about 4 responses :D
Now if we can just do something to limit the number of 'why use a shotgun' posts in the first place...............

Glenn E. Meyer
June 21, 2006, 10:04 AM
Trying to get this to 4, Dev - so you don't have to read it anymore.

Anyway, I'm going to ask the Austin City Council to banning chachunking as I think it represents a violent act that is not appropriate in our society.

In my bill, all guns will be tested for dB in chambering a round and any that are too loud will be banned. Upsetting people by chachunking is not acceptable in our society. The 2nd Amend. makes no mention of chachunking. You bear arms but not chachunk them, IMHO.

GWB has stated that if a federal chachunk ban gets to him, he will sign it. This is taken by supporters of the RTCS (figure it out) as brillant politics as he knows that soccer moms are anti-chachunkers but the pro-Chachunkers will not let the bill get to him.

Some suggest an smart chachunker with a sound chip that produces a reverse waveform chachunker that negates the real sound might be a legal solution.

Did that get us to 4 pages yet? We can call someone a Nazi using Godwin's law and get us locked before 4 pages?

pax
June 21, 2006, 10:09 AM
I'm not a good enough shot to arbitrarily throw away extra ammunition. So I vote against empty chambers.

If the chamber is empty, you have to cachunk, even if you're in a hurry and even if you need to keep quiet for one reason or another. If it's loaded, you can cachunk if you feel the situation calls for it, but you don't have to.

pax

Edward429451
June 21, 2006, 12:24 PM
Since perps generally have more rights than citizens, and ca chunking could feasibly strike terror into their hearts...could we be charged with terrorism for ca chunking?:D

38splfan
June 23, 2006, 02:26 AM
Cachunk, but not for intimidation.
The shotty leans on the nightstand, tube full.
I keep the bedroom pretty private, but we still have company over and I like to be prepared but careful at the same time.
It only takes a second to shuck a shell, and I've trained with dry firing and range time to work the action very forcefully, so that short shucking is not a real big problem.
(It does seem to be easier with the Ithaca than an 870, even though the action length is not noticeably different.)

CajunBass
June 23, 2006, 05:04 AM
I don't do either. My wife has three annoying little dogs. (Note. I do not have ANY dogs.) They only bark at three things. Anything, everything, and nothing. They are so annoying that no one with any sense would stick around to listen to them. (Says something about me I suppose.) At this point I would yell at the dog's to "Shut the ....... up before I shoot all three of you." This would let the BG know that (1) I'm here, (2) I'm awake, (3) there is a chance, maybe better than 50/50 that I am armed and prepared to shoot the dogs. He might get hit by accident, so it would be a good idea to get out of Dodge.

That's my plan anyway.

tINY
June 23, 2006, 12:47 PM
I voted not to. My shotgun sits with an empty chamber and will need to be racked with the unlock button depressed.

If someone is in my house, I'd do it as soon as I pick it up.

If the disturbance is outside, I'd probably tote it along empty until I survey the situation.



-tINY

C1PNR
June 24, 2006, 03:02 PM
Whether it's the 870 or the Winchester Model 25, both 20" barrel, with 4 00 Buck in the magazine. One or the other is in my bedroom. The only time I'd pick up the shotgun is if I am awakened and I'm SURE there is someone inside the house. Otherwise, it's the loaded, chambered, off safe 1076 in my hand. Maglite in the other hand.

If I'm in another part of the house and hear something, it's whatever is close. The 1911A1 (condition 1), Python, Bulldog (by Charter, not the K9;) ), etc.

Blammer
June 24, 2006, 04:23 PM
Shortsword!!!

& the safety on a PPK is very quiet;)

revjen45
June 25, 2006, 12:13 PM
All of my SD guns are in cond 1. We have no children or acquaintances who would be fiddling around with my guns. Rationales for no ca-chunk: loss of surprise, down one round going in, possibility of feed failure for manually cycled 1st round. I sleep with several handguns and a 5 inch spotlight, long gun for going outside if necessary. My wife would have my 6. Entry would not be difficult but it would not be quiet.

Shamus
June 25, 2006, 07:29 PM
Koz
I make the sound with my mouth.



Pepsi, nose, keyboard .........

Samurai
June 25, 2006, 11:14 PM
No. You cannot chachunk a Shortsword. But, if you draw really sloppily, you can get that cool "Shling!" noise. I always prefer the "Shling!" noise to the "Snikt!" of the Kabar on the nightstand, or the "Thwick" sound of the Bowie knife. Yeah. Blades are pretty...

(Interlude for Lucy Liu-based Samurai daydream...)

Ahem! Excuse me... Now, the question is, do any of you who keep blades near the bedside train in using them?

tINY
June 26, 2006, 04:11 AM
I usually have the Benchmade knife I carry with me in my bedroom.

I practice all the time on boxes, threads, rope, spinters, and so on....



-tINY

Glenn E. Meyer
June 26, 2006, 10:04 AM
Is this still going on? Is there any more to be said? Have we not exhausted any logical positions on the issue?