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FastDraw
June 3, 2006, 11:19 AM
Hello All,

I would like your opinion on cocking a DA/SA prior to shooting. In this case assume you have a Ruger P90 (DA/SA) as your night stand gun. You hear a noise at 2:00 in the morning a you KNOW you have an intruder in your house.

After retrieving your pistol from the nightstand would you immediately cock the P90 so your first shot (if you have to make that choice) is a short SA shot?

( For what it's worth I have found that my first shot ........ shooting targets at the range...... is generally LOW, and that following up (SA) shots are on center mass.)

FastDraw

JoshB
June 3, 2006, 11:44 AM
I would suggest cocking the lever only because I prefer SA-only pistols. You will have to remember to keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to take your shot (safety rule #3) especially b/c most DA/SA pistols cannot be put on safe w/o de-cocking.
My reccomendation would be to get a 1911 because every shot is SA.

Warriorsociologist
June 3, 2006, 12:05 PM
Practice like you may have to employ your tools (meaning, practice at the range DA/SA if thi is the HG you have). This means DA first round, SA the rest. This is how we qualified in the 'Corps, and it makes sense (again, if this is what you have). You should practice like this IMO....or, get a HG that is DAO, SAO, etc. (more consistancy)...and/or, of course, a shotgun.

combatpreacher
June 3, 2006, 01:12 PM
It is safer not to cock a DA/SA pistol for your situation...

1) the trigger pull is considerably lighter...you might squeeze at a time when you dont want to (startled...surprised...touched)...maybe shoot an un-armed intruder...now you are a murderer.

2) try explaining to a gun hating judge and jury that you didnt intend to shoot that 14 or 15 year old kid that broke into your house...when you cocked your gun before you identified who the intruder was (i guess your daughter can get another boyfriend)...get my drift?

In a real situation as you describe...you will have plenty of strength to pull the trigger if you have to...but you can never stop the bullet you sent accidentaly because you cocked it first.

Also remember...Home invasion is a felony...but not punishable by death...be ready to explain why you needed to set out with the intent to fire your weapon.
(I carry a Sig 226 DA/SA...12lb pull is nothing in a real gunfight.)

The Body Bagger
June 3, 2006, 01:24 PM
1) the trigger pull is considerably lighter...you might squeeze at a time when you dont want to (startled...surprised...touched)...maybe shoot an un-armed intruder...now you are a murderer.

2) try explaining to a gun hating judge and jury that you didnt intend to shoot that 14 or 15 year old kid that broke into your house...when you cocked your gun before you identified who the intruder was (i guess your daughter can get another boyfriend)...get my drift?

Someone who forcibly enters an inhabited dwelling is not there for tea and crumpets pal. Trial by six instead of carried by 12. Armed or not, are you willing to take the chance with your family to wait and see?

Verify your family members are present and safe, then shoot. Practice shooting DA first shot SA for follow ups. Thats my advice.

CraigJS
June 3, 2006, 01:57 PM
DA, at bad breath ranges 0-15' shooting a bit low and L or R isn't going to make a lot of change in point of impact. At home distances you aren't going to have time to aim like you do at a range. Practiceing point shooting at these distances are a more realistic training..
As far as shoot or not, YOU have to make that choice. All the internet advice in the world won't help you in the split second you have to decide!
Above all check to see what your state laws are on the subject, lots of little twists that can hang you if your wrong!

This is more of the internet advice I warned you about.:D

Take care!

Dwight55
June 3, 2006, 03:05 PM
Fast draw asked: "I would like your opinion on cocking a DA/SA prior to shooting."

Remember, opinions are like dirty socks, . . . everyone has a couple of them and pretty much all of them stink.

Having said that, . . . No, . . . I would not cock the thing. As previously posted, learn to shoot it as it was intended, . . . DA first, . . . then SA all the way to slide lock. If you really don't like that scenario, . . . get yourself a pistol or revolver that fits the one you like.

I would thint that any louse of an attorney for the other side will work you over as much as they could over intentionally changing the manual of arms of that weapon "significantly enough to ensure a quicker first shot".

May God bless,
Dwight

Kermit
June 3, 2006, 03:06 PM
Fastdraw - honestly, get more rounds through your gun & practice that transition DA/SA, you'll be better off. Being half asleep, half scared & half who knows what else is not the best time to have a cocked pistol in your hands getting oriented to the situation.

Blackwater OPS
June 3, 2006, 07:04 PM
He did not ask shoot/ no shoot, let's not get distracted.

You said you KNOW there is an intruder in your house. I don't know how you would for sure, unless you have a video feed or something, but if you are SURE go SA, this is combat time and every 1/4 of a second counts. The dangers of an accident in this case are minimal. VERIFY YOUR TARGET BEFORE you engadge it.

Edited to add: Better yet though, get a good shotgun. Beats a pistol every time.

sm
June 3, 2006, 07:12 PM
1. Consult notebook you made from notes taken during a training class.

2. Get Training

3. Search function for finding training near you.

4. Take SWAT ? if so - check there as well.

BobK
June 3, 2006, 09:19 PM
As others have said, DA first then SA. Don't cock the gun. The DA/SA auto has a higher learning curve but can be effective with practice. I recently got rid of the last DA/SA auto I had because I just didn't like it. It was a Sig P226 which was a nice gun and was quite accurate. I just could not get used to that first DA pull. So I've decided to stick with my Kimber, XD 45, and a few others that are not DA/SA. I probably will never own another DA/SA gun but at least I gave it a try. So your options are, practice very much, or buy another gun. Another option would be a shotgun.

pax
June 3, 2006, 10:04 PM
If you need to ask this question, you are not an experienced-enough shooter to risk holding a cocked pistol in your hand at a moment of high stress. Leave it in double action.

pax

marlboroman84
June 3, 2006, 10:27 PM
This may just be misinformation on my part or not fully understanding case law, but at least here in TN I seem to understand that anyone in your house that has entered illegally with forced entry is automatically presumed to be a threat and whether they are armed or not doesn't matter due to the castle doctrine. Can anyone give better information on this? TN law if possible.

DR9983M4
June 3, 2006, 10:58 PM
1) the trigger pull is considerably lighter...you might squeeze at a time when you dont want to (startled...surprised...touched)...maybe shoot an un-armed intruder...now you are a murderer. maybe in some hippie state chock full of liberals who think it'd be a violation of their rights to get shot while they were breaking into a home that wasn't theirs. You don't have to sit around and wait to see what someone who has broken into your house is going to do.
I'd stick with a DAO if I where you, no chance of accidents, and can be safe and ready to go with a round in the pipe, tucked away in your nightstand, unless you have kids to worry about. The other option is to get a 12 gauge pump. If he doesn't run like the wind when he hears you chambering a round, or state who he is (if it's your teenager sneaking back into the house at 2 AM), he's intending to do something more criminal than breaking in and he gets a spray of 00.

choochboost
June 4, 2006, 12:29 AM
I say learn the DA pull. Dryfire in DA and you'll get used to it real quick. The DA pull doesn't have to avoided, its not that difficult. Double tapping a DA/SA pistol is a little more tricky.

chrisandclauida2
June 4, 2006, 08:39 AM
it is always good the have that first da pull for two reasons.

stress of the situation

not being fully awake

these two equal negligent discharge

FMUStewart
June 4, 2006, 08:42 AM
1) the trigger pull is considerably lighter...you might squeeze at a time when you dont want to (startled...surprised...touched)...maybe shoot an un-armed intruder...now you are a murderer.

A murderer? Nothing like those who protect criminal rights...if he's in my house, doens't matter if he's armed or unarmed...

Stew

Powderman
June 4, 2006, 09:09 AM
A murderer? Nothing like those who protect criminal rights...if he's in my house, doens't matter if he's armed or unarmed...


For your sake, and your family's sake, it had BETTER matter.

For the original poster, a couple of suggestions:

1. Remember Rule #2: Keep your finger OFF the trigger until you are ready to shoot. Keep that trigger finger indexed.

2. Consult your local prosecutor and verify the laws concerning deadly force in your State.

3. Get some training, and practice, practice, practice! And, don't just stand in one place and shoot. Get some training that teaches dynamic shooting and shooting accurately under stress.

joab
June 4, 2006, 09:14 AM
maybe shoot an un-armed intruder...now you are a murderer.In who's world?

If he is in your house he is a threat to be dealt with as a threat.

In Florida and a lot of other progressive states you would merely be an unprosecutable non-civilly-liable home defense veteran.

But following BlackWater's lead
If you are absolutely positive that it is a viable threat and not a misbehaving teen do what you are most comfortable with.
Many shots taken inside a house will require precision and speed if SA gives you that edge take it.

But I also agree with using a shotgun for HD

Rangefinder
June 4, 2006, 09:39 AM
In my view of things, a DA is a useful tool and safety feature in this case. The gun is every bit as deadly, but it's not going to go off unless you are FULLY COMMITTED to the squeeze. A lot less chance for a AD, less possibility something is going to happen that really should have been prevented. Lets keep in mind, there are a number of reasons NOT to shoot an intruder---daughter's boyfriend sneaking in/out (even though you may want to shoot him at the time), son/daughter sneeking in/out, whatever. I live in a college town, 2 blocks from the university. Most houses in my neighborhood not only look alike, but most have basement apartments that rent to students. I scared the be-jeezus out of a poor kid last fall when he came stumbling in late, trying very hard to be quiet, but was actually intending to be at the house next door. I really wouldn't want to have it on my conscience to have shot a drunk college kid for trying to make it to his buddy's house to crash for the night but found mine instead. There could be countless other reasons for an intruder that doesn't deserve a bullet. DA is still just as "ready" as SA, but a little safer for both sides at the same time.

yomama
June 4, 2006, 10:00 AM
shotgun

200 dollars Mossberg

22-rimfire
June 4, 2006, 10:33 AM
Double Action for first shot as there is less chance that you pulled the trigger due to a "nervous trigger finger"; scared as h*ll is probably more like it. This is one of the reasons I prefer double action revolvers or a pistol such as a Glock for home protection. I would have to be VERY sure of my target prior to a shot. I don't want a death on my conscious if there is ANY other choice short of my own serious injury or death. Don't block their exit unless you want to kill the intruder. A cornered dog will fight; but if they have a place to retreat, they may just run.

OuTcAsT
June 4, 2006, 07:21 PM
maybe shoot an un-armed intruder...now you are a murderer

Not in the real world, it matters not whether this person is armed, if you perceive a threat he is a TARGET.

it is always good the have that first da pull for two reasons.

stress of the situation

not being fully awake

these two equal negligent discharge

Not if you are neutralizing a threat.

This may just be misinformation on my part or not fully understanding case law, but at least here in TN I seem to understand that anyone in your house that has entered illegally with forced entry is automatically presumed to be a threat and whether they are armed or not doesn't matter due to the castle doctrine. Can anyone give better information on this? TN law if possible.




+1 In TN you are correct ( I am in Nashville)

Someone who forcibly enters an inhabited dwelling is not there for tea and crumpets pal. Trial by six instead of carried by 12. Armed or not, are you willing to take the chance with your family to wait and see?

Verify your family members are present and safe, then shoot. Practice shooting DA first shot SA for follow ups. Thats my advice.
Yesterday 01:12 PM



+1 on this, this is the best advice in this situation.

FMUStewart
June 4, 2006, 07:48 PM
For your sake, and your family's sake, it had BETTER matter.

Or? What? He's in my house, he hasn't identified himself, or complied with my commands...so...what you're saying is if he's unarmed, that's his free ticket?

Let me make sure my stairs are in good condition do, so he doesn't sue me because he tripped on his way in.

You sir, are a victim waiting to happen.

Stew

Powderman
June 4, 2006, 09:05 PM
OK. Here's a question...

Why does it seem that a lot of people on this thread are almost eager to kill? To drop the hammer, pull the trigger, blast, smoke check, etc.

First of all, if someone is in your house, you have the drop on them, and they are not armed, why shoot? You do not have a reason to shoot them at that point.

If your family is not in imminent danger, why shoot?

If they want to run, let them. If they are running with some of your prized possessions, let them go! There is almost NOTHING you own that is worth a person's life.

FMUStewart:

As far as me being a victim waiting to happen, please read my profile. :)

OuTcAsT
June 4, 2006, 09:35 PM
I agree, there is no possession worth taking a life However,If someone breaks into my home, he is a threat, I have no idea whether he is armed or not, and I don't care.

If he trespasses in my home, he is a threat to my self and my family, and I Will neutralize the threat up to, and including leathal force. I do not wish to take another human life at all, but I will if necessary.

If you want to stand around and have a conversation with an intruder in your home that is your choice (good luck with that)

I would rather explain the actions taken by me to make sure I, and my family survived, than to explain why my family did not survive to the rest of my kin.

remember: a corpse makes a poor witness at a trial.

Rangefinder
June 4, 2006, 09:35 PM
Why does it seem that a lot of people on this thread are almost eager to kill? To drop the hammer, pull the trigger, blast, smoke check, etc.


I'm a little curious about the same thing. One thing I can say to this---it's easy to talk about it, but living with it under even the most justified of circumstances is another matter entirely. To take a life under questionable circumstances is a serious burden on one's self, and people I associate with do not take the matter lightly, neither do I. It's an easy thing to say "anybody comes in my house uninvited, I'm texturing the walls with gray matter". The reality of it would put most into years of therapy and meds.

OK, that's enough "soap-box" for me today.

RoscoeC
June 4, 2006, 11:33 PM
Get a glock. Every trigger pull is the same. No de-cocker. No external safety. No crap. Pull the trigger it goes bang. First time, everytime, all the time. Don't want it to go bang, keep your finger off the trigger. When your life is at stake, DA/SA is just plain dangerous. When you are awakened in a stupor you are even more likely to misfire with two different trigger pulls. If they are all the same, then you are more likely to go to your muscle memory and do it right. Or, as others have suggested, there is no more effective or devastating weapon at short range than a properly deployed shotgun. However, my Glock is at my fingertips when I sleep, my shotgun is not.

And finally, if you question for one second whether you would use deadly force on an intruder to your home, get rid of all your firearms and invest in burglar bars. If you hesitate for an instant, he will very likely take your weapon from you and beat you to death with it.

stephen426
June 5, 2006, 12:05 AM
I mentioned this in another thread. Do you have a good alarm system that would alert you if your house was broken in to? This will scare off most burglers. Do you have a dog that might do the same as the alarm and maybe be even a little more than the alarm can? Do you sleep with your bedroom door locked and do you have nice solid doors?

If you answered yes to all of the above, then you can do whatever you want with your gun. Chances are that if the alarm goes off and the burgler does not leave, you are dealing with a more serious problem. If you don't have an alarm system or a dog, chances are you won't even know someone has broken into your house until he has a gun in your face.

If you really suspect an intruder, I would lock the door if possible (with gun in hand of course). I would go for cover (or concealment if that was all I had available) and then I would then call the police. Once the calvary is on the way, I would yell that I have called the police and that I have a gun. I would cover the door with my weapon (single action if you need) and yell that if the bad guy tries to go through the door, they would be shot. The racking of a shotgun is always a very compelling arguement too!

joab
June 5, 2006, 02:48 AM
Why does it seem that a lot of people on this thread are almost eager to kill? To drop the hammer, pull the trigger, blast, smoke check, etc.I don't get that sense at all
What I see are people who are realistically looking at a very viablescenario and others trying to what if their way out of it.

Being prepared to shoot does not mean longing for the opportunity.
But trying to look at all the minute little angles will get you killed someday

Model520Fan
June 5, 2006, 08:39 AM
IFF I had my P225 beside my bed, I would not cock it unless the guy were coming up the stairs and I intended to pick him off at first appearance, but that's because I feel comfortable enough with DA and might have shaking hands while this was going on. I don't have a problem with your choice, because it sounds like you are more comfortable with SA, and seem conscious of the need to keep your finger away from the trigger before use.

In reality, I usually have a DAO revolver by my bed, one with a slightly better DA than your Ruger, most likely, and the act of gripping the gun firmly would settle any adrenaline issues. I have a lot of practice with S&W DA revolvers, and also with Colt DA's.

I feel that this is a personal choice based on your own observation of your own skills and tendencies. I suspect that you have chosen correctly, especially since you have thought about it and are continuing to do so. I also suspect that many folks, myself included, are usually better served by a good DAO.

Mikeyboy
June 5, 2006, 08:47 AM
+1 Stephen.. My thought is to take a defensive position in the house protecting you family and call 911. My spot is at the top of the stairs since all the bedrooms are on the second floor. If you are certain you have an intruder in your house, why go looking for trouble and get ambushed. Let the BG come to you. If the BG starts up the stairs he will have a flashlight beam and a pistol pointed at him. I'm in a superior position, with the BG being blinded by my flashlight. If he is unarmed I yell, "Freeze!" If he is armed, if he keeps on coming, etc. he gets a bullet. If he runs away, I let him go. Trust me , I will be yelling at him with my foul mouth,as he is running out the door, making it clear that if he comes back he and his whole family (the whole family thing is really BS of course) will die. I will be a good witness and the guy will get caught. Too many rambos think they just blast away at unarmed intruders, thinking it is somehow manly and fun, but they forget an important rule...Identify your target as friend or foe. Taking a shot at at an unarmed shadow in your house , can lead to you to accidently shooting a family member, your teenage daughter's boyfriend sneaking in (I have a nice drop piece for this ....just kidding), or a drunk neighbor thinking he is breaking into his own house. Even if it is a BG, are you willing to kill an unarmed intruder who meant your family no physical harm, and just wants to surrender or run when you point your gun at him?

As to the checking out a bump in the night with you gun in SA mode, we had this conversation in the revolver forum. Its not safe, and it increases your chances of having a AD.

Blackwater OPS
June 5, 2006, 11:22 AM
Why does it seem that a lot of people on this thread are almost eager to kill? To drop the hammer, pull the trigger, blast, smoke check, etc.

Even in the great state of Kalifornia, the law specifically assumes that a person in your home that should not be there presents a deadly threat. Why does it do this? Are the liberal politicians here eager to see people killed by citizens? No, a person who breaks into your home is a dangerous one and if you hesitate, you may save a harmless burglars life:rolleyes: , or you may get killed by a guy who knows it's his third strike. Your chioce, no one here(hopefully) will judge you for it, but don't put those who would chose to act off as bloodthirsty.

Rangefinder
June 5, 2006, 11:32 AM
Also, I think a lot of it comes down to area. I know my attitude takes a healthy shift toward the "shoot first, ask later" state of mind when I'm in the thick of the bigger cities. Here, where I live currently (population 26,000), the chances of innocent mistake of going to the wrong door is much higher than a possible BG with intent to harm me or my family. Call it situational differences.

Trip20
June 5, 2006, 01:00 PM
OK. Here's a question...

Why does it seem that a lot of people on this thread are almost eager to kill? To drop the hammer, pull the trigger, blast, smoke check, etc.

Powderman,

I can’t speak for everyone, but my take is that what you see in this thread, is not necessarily blood lust, or some sick need to pull the trigger.

I think in most cases people respect the intrinsic danger posed by an intruder who has slipped – uninvited – into their sanctuary and more than likely has the “drop” on the homeowner. The responses in this thread show just how much certain people respect this danger, and their responses to this danger are serious and steadfast.

First of all, if someone is in your house, you have the drop on them, and they are not armed, why shoot? You do not have a reason to shoot them at that point.

If your family is not in imminent danger, why shoot?

In the dead of night, in a darkened home, startled awake (if your lucky) from a sound sleep; it is difficult for one to precisely inventory an intruder’s belongings in a timely manner, when all one can see is the dark silhouette creeping down the hallway.

This is not news to anyone, but all sorts of weapons are easily hidden aboard one's person. It's safe to assume these items will not be out in the open under a spotlight for the homeowner to catalog.

In my opinion, it's a bit naive to believe one will "have the drop" on a home invader, as more often than not, the opposite will be true -- it's my guess that the odds are in their favor. If by chance you "have the drop" on the intruder, well then possibly tactics could change -- but who knows.

Thankfully, the overwhelming majority of us will never have to deal with such a situation. I can’t imagine the terror one would feel if, God forbid, it should happen. Gives me the chills thinking about it.

For myself, I hope not to hesitate due to considering whether or not an intruder is armed. They're uninvited in my home, and once identified as non-friendly, I must assume there is credible danger of death of bodily harm.

Believe me, I want to shoot no one – ever – but I will to protect what’s dear to me.

BigO01
June 5, 2006, 01:03 PM
The nice thing about having a good sized dog is you get to laugh at questions like this . A burglar in my home is going to become a "chew toy" real fast and when I was a kid we had a fool break into our screened in back porch , BAD move thats where Charlie slept Charlie was a mixed breed shep that weighed in at about 60 lbs . The screams woke the whole family up , we found blood , parts of a T-shirt and jeans and two torn screens , one he cut to get to the lock and get in and the other he jumped out of trying to get away from Charlie . Funy thing was , I guess Charlie wasn't done playing and decide to play with him all the way home , dog came back the next morning all covered in blood none of which was his as he had no cuts on him at all because we gave him a nice hot bath and checked him over real well .

Never bothered to call the cops we figured the little scumbag got what he deserved , I often wonder if the dog killed him because there was a whole lotta blood on the porch , in the yard etc. etc. . of course this was back in the early 70's and if he did even the local politicians wouldn't have done anything as they would today .

So if anyone in my home gets past the dog and they get a good dose of lead SA/DA whatever , might grab a shotgun instead of a pistol , I wont worry about being choosy and of course a teenage son or two will probably grab a gun too .

Burglars don't stand much of a chance at my house , how about yours ?

Model520Fan
June 5, 2006, 01:49 PM
Big001,

Nice post.

Whom did you employ for grief counseling, if I may ask?

520

stephen426
June 5, 2006, 05:05 PM
In my opinion, it's a bit naive to believe one will "have the drop" on a home invader, as more often than not, the opposite will be true -- it's my guess that the odds are in their favor. If by chance you "have the drop" on the intruder, well then possibly tactics could change -- but who knows.

I defer you to my post on another thread (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1986228&postcount=59)...

If you cannot secure your house to prevent a bad guy from entering undetected, your home defense strategy is useless.

First line of defense should be deterrence. This may include motion activated flood lights, a fenced in yard with a guard dog, nasty thorny plants near windows, alarm decals, etc...

Second line of defense should be detection. This is where the alarm system and the dog come into play. Most alarm systems have a battery backup system. Mine also has cellular backup in case someone cuts the lines. Make sure you test your alarm system on a regular basis to ensure that everything works properly. Something to consider is adding a panic code and a panic password in case someone grabs you outside of your home and forces you to turn off the alarm. Use of the panic code turns off the siren but alerts the central station that police assistance is needed. My wife and I also have a code to alert each other in case of a such a scenario. You can ask a specific question or use a specific name that you never use (middle name or nickname).

Third line of defense depends on the actual threat level. This would typically mean gathering all family members in the safe room and covering the door with your home defense weapon. If the alarm goes off, train your family to go to the safe room immediately. If everyone is accounted for, then lock the door and call the police. If you need to go out and gather your family members, it becomes much more dangerous. Have your wife (if you are married) to lock the door and cover the door with a gun, and tell her to be ready to shoot anyone that comes through unannounced. If you need to go out of the safe room to gather the family, I would suggest a pistol rather than a long gun since it is easier to use one handed and easier to clear corners. You should have a high powered flash light that has a instant on/off tail cap in case you run across the bad guy or even consider a weapon mounted light so you have one free hand. The drawback of course is that the weapon light give the bad guy a nice place to aim. I do not feel that it is wise to clear your house yourself. If the police have decent response times where you live, just stay in the safe room protecting your family. Have them find cover (bath tubs work great) and keep their heads down. Once this is done, you can announce in a loud voice (from a position of cover) that the police are on their way and that you are armed and ready to shoot if the bad guy chooses to come through the door. Material things are replacable and besides, most burgleres will have high tailed it out of there once the alarm went off.

Remember... all this is only possible if you are alerted that your house has actually been broken into.

Dre_sa
June 5, 2006, 05:44 PM
just a thought...
once the alarm goes off, and evryone is safely in the safe room, turn the alarm off. this will serve multiple purposes, you will be able to hear again, you will be able to talk to the police over the phone effectively, and the bad guy will know you are home (possible psychological value might chase him off sooner) i know it would freak me right out.
of course you will be in the safe room covering the entrance with you HD weapon, and your family will be hiding in a safer spot (somewhere behind you).
to stay on topic, i think that if you are awake enough, by all measn switch to SA, just keep your finger off the trigger. once you hear something like the bad guy trying to get into you safe room, then you put it back on the trigger and yell at him to go away (how politely you do so will be left to your own discretion).

FastDraw
June 5, 2006, 06:00 PM
Thanks everyone for your replies. I really appreciate your thoughts.

For me when "I know" there is an intruder in the house in the early morning hours I plan to cock my DA/SA pistol and keep my finger OFF the trigger until I determine I intend to shoot.

Someone suggested having a shotgun. I do have. It is a Mossberg 500 loaded with #4 buckshot. Time permitting it would be my first choice. Also someone suggested a Glock. I own several, including a G27 and a G23. Quite honestly I shoot the G23 better than the Ruger P90....... but the G23 is my wife's bedside gun. She shoots this one rather well. (Maybe this is reason enough to buy a 2nd G23 :D )

Hopefully I will never have to defend my home........

Thanks again.........

FastDraw

Trip20
June 5, 2006, 06:43 PM
stephen426 -- great post.

The title of the thread was:

"It's 2:00 AM and an Intruder is in your house"

In addition, my post was in response to another poster who stated:

"First of all, if someone is in your house..."

Deferring me to a size 50 font wasn't necessary. ;)

stephen426
June 5, 2006, 10:40 PM
Trip,

The big font was for the thread "do you sleep with a gun under your pillow". I just can't believe what a lack of common sense there is sometimes. People were talking about how it allows them to access their guns faster or how to draw undetected. On that post, I was just stressing the importance of having advanced warning.

If we are simply discussing whether or not to cock a pistol, then I guess it wouldn't matter as long as you kept your finger off the trigger. If you shoot low in DA, by all means shoot in SA.

Trip20
June 5, 2006, 11:10 PM
Stephen, I understand.

I was only pointing out that this particular thread was dealing with when there is already someone in your house.

But, I absolutely agree that your first 1st, 2nd, 3rd...etc, lines of defense should have to be breeched before it's time to employ your DA/SA skills. Simply relying on your nightstand gun is a sign of being ill prepared.

Not all lines of defense are plausible, affordable, or practical for all living environments, but one should do what one can based on one's lifestyle, living conditions, and budget – in addition to firearms and training.

9guy
June 6, 2006, 12:19 AM
Whatever you're most comfortable with. If you feel you shoot more accurately in SA, then cock it. However, it's true you're less likely to accidentally discharge in DA.

As far as identifying, ensuring they're armed, etc...that's up to you and the state you live in.

Personally, I believe if you don't want to get shot, you shouldn't break into someone's home, armed or not.

Every situation's different, but if you're sure it's a intruder and not a family member, I don't think you should waste time trying to interview them to determine their true intentions. That could cost you the lives of yourself and your family. I say take them down.

stephen426
June 7, 2006, 01:42 AM
Not all lines of defense are plausible, affordable, or practical for all living environments, but one should do what one can based on one's lifestyle, living conditions, and budget – in addition to firearms and training.

I'm not sure if you guys remember the movie Conspiracy Theory starring Mel Gibson and Julia Roberts. He had a few economical ways to alert him if there was an intruder. He placed a glass bottle upside down on the doorknob of his front door. While his other method may not be so practical, he shattered a light bulb and scattered it on the walkway so the crunch of the glass would alert him.

A few other cheapo methods to alert you of intruders is tying bells to your doors. It might look kind of silly but it would work. You could also buy a cheapo motion sensor (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102459&cp=&origkw=motion+sensor+alarm&kw=motion+sensor+alarm&parentPage=search) from Radio Shack. Don't tell me you can't afford $15 bucks for your own security. Set this baby by the front door or the hall way leading to the bedroom, and an intruder will never get the drop on you.