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rick_reno
May 24, 2006, 12:45 AM
Good article.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/hunting/article/0,19912,1177136,00.html

lil_bro
May 24, 2006, 01:33 AM
Good article.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/h...177136,00.html

We had something like this happen where we live about three years ago

There was some guy that was found dead too the world walking along the road.He had .22 rifle with him and said that he was "hunting" and found two guys cooking meth and got into a gun fight with with the druggies.He said that he shot one of them and but they got away and that he was heading back too his house.Anyway the police came started a man hunt to find the guys that were cooking the meth.This went on for about two hours and they never found any thing so they called off the search.Later we found out that the guy who found along the road really went in the woods to "get high" on whatever and he imagined the whole "gun fight" he had.

The main reasion I carry my 9mm and 85rds of ammo with me when I go hiking is in case I run into druggie that are real:eek:and have too fight my way out of something.


Michael.

pumpkinheaver
May 24, 2006, 09:04 AM
It's bad here in MO. If I'm anywhere in the woods I am packing just for this reason. Two repeat two people I work with found meth labs on there deer hunting land last year, it'sgetting ridiculous.

mete
May 24, 2006, 10:40 AM
There was a squirrel hunter in my area who saw two men in the woods who looked very much out of place .They were murderers who had just buried the body in the woods !!!

22-rimfire
May 24, 2006, 02:42 PM
We do need to pay attention these days whether it be on the street, at home, or out in the woods. People do tend to be a bit more respectful in the woods since there is a higher likelihood that the person you are meeting is armed. The Sierra Club hiker type may be the exception when it comes to guns. Situational awareness, always.

A lot of times what you find in the woods are the meth lab components which may technically be a lab. the stuff is just hauled out into the woods and dumped. The heat source is a bit of a problem when cooking meth in the woods as there are many flamable components used in the processes. You don't want an open flame.

BIGR
May 24, 2006, 09:18 PM
It is bad stuff and getting to be a problem all over. A person has to be at the lowest point in their life to want to put those chemicals in their body. Rots their teeth out and makes them age fast. They are hitting the woods and camping areas, cooking their posion, trying to stay undetected. They try to obtain that feeling they got the first time they tried it, but cannot duplicate it. The metal that comes from the chemicals eats its way through their skin and causes those sores all over their bodies. Then one day they are dead and just a distant memory. :barf:

Greybeard
May 24, 2006, 10:05 PM
Yep, good article. Thanks for posting.

silicon wolverine
May 27, 2006, 12:54 PM
Here in SD/ND the problem is worse than almost anywhere else. Wide open country and easy access to theings like propane and anhydrous ammonia make it easy for the cooker to get his ingediants. When i go out in the country to work on a pump or change a valve or whatever, i carry a glock 17 with two 17 round and two 33 rounds mags. If im going WAY out in the boonies i carry either my WASR hi-cap or my CETME and 90-100 rounds in mags. I have yet to need it but i came close. One night about 11:30PM i had to go out to our intake site on the riverbank to reset a pump. there was two guys on a snowmobile grossing the frozen river twoing a sled with no lights. Thinking this a little odd, i wtached from the window of the intake building as they pulled up the riverbank twords me. then i kicked on the security lights (300 watt halogen nightstalkers x12) and watched. As sson as they saw the lights they split back across the river to the indian reservation. I reported this to the police and they said they had caught a guy before running meth across the river on sleds. He siad i was lucky was they didnt shoot me.

SW

UniversalFrost
May 28, 2006, 01:47 AM
Roger that.

My mom who is an at risk cildrens counselor and never goes to a house in the southeastern south dakota area without her ruger security six in .357 (most of her clients are or were meth junkies/ manufaturers). Also a few months ago in Wagoner SD, a house actually blew up becasue the occupants were cooking meth and something happened. I am from Yankton, SD and it has the dubious title of Crankton by the large majority of LEO's in the midwest.

A lot of my buddies are local leo and they say that there is very little consumption going on in the area, but it is one of the largest manufacturing areas outside of Cali.. I personally have not seen the meth junkies venture into the wilderness yet, but have heard of trailers and farm houses going "boom" in the middle of the country. I always carry my 1911 or beretta 96 when scouting new areas (mainly for rattle snakes, but now for meth smoking hippies/junkies). Trying to get my wife to start taking an old s&w .38 snub nose when hiking the trails, especially when alone (she only carries pepper spray now).

silicon wolverine
May 28, 2006, 09:01 AM
I feel your pain. The "crankton" area sucks. Passed through that country on a water plant tour one time. Seemed pretty rough country, perfect for meth making. The biggest market for SD meth is east into the cities or chicago. Some was rumored to go down the missouri into the southern states but its never been proven.

SW

UniversalFrost
May 28, 2006, 09:12 AM
:D yeah, but great for deer! nebraska side even has a place called devils nest where the James gang actually hid out on their jaunts up north (a local actually found a small stach of gold/money and their hide out, it made the local news). You could easily slip away from people up there. Tons of deer!!

The bobcats and mountain lions are starting to make a comeback in the area as well. Used to have bear as late as the 50's (old den is about 500 feet from my hunting cabin), but they were hunted off. The missouri/niobrara rivers intersect and form a lot of marshy areas and it is a duck/goose hunters paradise. I have to shoo the turkeys off my porch and they even chased my 2 labs when they were pups so now the dogs are scared of them. I bag a turkey every year in my back yard when I am home. Fishing is excellent (bass, paddle fish, catfishing, etc...) So many squirrels, rabbits, yotes that you wouldn't believe. Pheasants are everywhere. The only thing that is missing is prairie dogs, but you can drive towards Pierre for them.

Harley Quinn
May 28, 2006, 10:40 AM
Now the meth dealers.
I would say the hunters ought to go for open warfare. Kill um all.

In fact hunters ought to take the land back, while hunting make a point of it, you find um shoot them. It is something like taking on the warfare for the Southern area of AZ. While hunting Javalena pigs shoot an illegal for Fox.

I bet in the not so near future you won't even be able to carry a rifle in the area where illegals are. Probably take away your right to hunt because you might hurt one of them.
LOL
HQ

FirstFreedom
May 28, 2006, 10:50 AM
Tons of deer!!

The bobcats and mountain lions are starting to make a comeback in the area as well. Used to have bear as late as the 50's (old den is about 500 feet from my hunting cabin), but they were hunted off. The missouri/niobrara rivers intersect and form a lot of marshy areas and it is a duck/goose hunters paradise. I have to shoo the turkeys off my porch and they even chased my 2 labs when they were pups so now the dogs are scared of them. I bag a turkey every year in my back yard when I am home. Fishing is excellent (bass, paddle fish, catfishing, etc...) So many squirrels, rabbits, yotes that you wouldn't believe. Pheasants are everywhere. The only thing that is missing is prairie dogs, but you can drive towards Pierre for them.

Umm, would you consider adopting me please, UF? :)

UniversalFrost
May 28, 2006, 11:29 AM
Sure, but I already have 2 kids and my wife might object to having a forth (she counts me as one of the kids, especially when I go to gunshows, guns stores, cabelas, etc..).

The area of south eastern south dakota/ north eastern Nebraska along the Missouri River before the Gavins Point Dam area is one of the best waterfowling areas in the U.S. period!! Not that many people know about this area and those that do keep their mouth shut, but I don't mind spreading the word.

Also the deer are THICK up here and we have mulies and whitetail that rival those of Canada size wise.

If I ever catch the meth makers in my neck of the woods they will be hunted down and bagged and tagged like the deer and yotes.

FirstFreedom
May 28, 2006, 12:18 PM
and to think that in the summer of '91 I lived out in Wayne, NE, and drove up to hang out in Sioux city for the weekends, when I was up there selling books door to door, and didn't take advantage. Of course, I didn't hunt seriously back then either. Tell your wife that I'd be no more mature than you are, but I'll pull my own weight and be self-sustaining. Plus I'd help watch the kids (take 'em hunting). :) Tell you what, we sure did love the nudie bar somewhere up in SD just over the border from NE a little ways - might have been Yankton - they were full nude, unlike in NE - quite a boon for a 20 y.o. such as I was! :eek: :)

silicon wolverine
May 28, 2006, 12:36 PM
You got it easy hunting man. In the western SD up by the ND border where my dad lives everybody wants money to hunt. I got back to dads and hunt rabbits and pheasant every year but i think ill opt out of deer this year. We ought to get together and have a shoot sometime. There are more and more of us SD'ers on here all the time

SW

garryc
May 29, 2006, 10:02 AM
Three years ago the man who owns the property we hunt on went to his house on that property. Generally he goes to it two days out of the week except in the winter he goes maybe once a month. He lives in another town. There was an old barn some 150yrds from the house that just had some old hand tools in it. He had, when he was younger, (He's now 85) used it as a wood working shop.
One night, early in the spring, he got there at about 8pm. He just cleaned up a little and went to bed. About 2am he wakes up to a light in his window, fire department. His barn was on fire and burned to ashes.
After the fire went out the investigation found a large number of Pyrex containers, other items that had no reason to be there, and three electric stoves. A major Meth lab.
The cops, including DEA, told him they figured that when the cookers came for the nightly session they probably saw he was home and torched the place to destroy evidence. They said that had he came a caught them he probably would have been killed.
Now get this, he and his family own properties all over the area, several unoccupied buildings. He gave the Sheriffs departments of each county open permission to search for drugs on his property and in the buildings anytime they wish. They also have keys to all the buildings except his house. I guess that means they don't need a warrant.

MeekAndMild
May 29, 2006, 10:53 AM
Gee Harley, don't be bashful there. Go ahead and tell us what you think. :p

As for me, I'd call the sheriff, unless I believed my life was in danger and either had no path of retreat or believed they had guns and could shoot me as I was retreating.

Wild Bill Bucks
May 29, 2006, 11:19 AM
Here in Oklahoma, we have always had to worry about some kind of BULL S--T like this. If it wasn't Mary Jane growers, it's Moon Shiners.
I've been told that the crack freaks can cook the stuff off in the back seat of a car now, so maybe they will stay out of the woods.
Problem is, when they get arrested, the courts give light sentences.
If they would hang the suckers by the thumbs, and burn them from the feet up, one match at a time, then they could take a lot of the stuff off the streets.

Just venting!!!

Harley Quinn
May 29, 2006, 01:06 PM
<<<Gee Harley, don't be bashful there. Go ahead and tell us what you think.

As for me, I'd call the sheriff, unless I believed my life was in danger and either had no path of retreat or believed they had guns and could shoot me as I was retreating.>>>

Yea, I reread it and it sounded a little harsh. But I am telling you, we are losing ground here with the various groups taking away rights, the meth makers, are bad news.

I will say this, Meth makers would be definitly shot on sight. Illegals I would call the law. Meth has and is destroying this country.

I have a very personal reason for disliking Meth dealers and makers. Users are foolish and then they are major victims. Stupidity, but still victims.

HQ

45man
May 29, 2006, 06:28 PM
"When I caught up to him, he pulled a 9mm pistol on me. I had to shoot him in the leg to subdue him."

As far as I know if someone pulls a weapon, shooting them in the leg isn't and [I]shouldn't[I] be what you do especially alone in the woods.

FirstFreedom
May 30, 2006, 09:05 AM
Harley, I feel *almost* the same way about poachers. I seriously think that if I find some poachers on my land, and find their vehicle, I'm gonna shoot their tires flat, and ask them if they have a problem with it. The case is even stronger for someone running a meth lab on your property, because they are endangering you with the caustic/explosive chemicals.

UniversalFrost
May 30, 2006, 01:36 PM
small world .

hey first freedom i used to live in Wayne Nebraska (85-91). My mother taught at wayne state before taking a job yankton. Also I think you were referring to a bar/strip joint near North Sioux City that got shut down a few years ago.:(

gunslinger1911ACP
May 30, 2006, 02:33 PM
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DobermansDoItGoofy
May 30, 2006, 08:42 PM
Any 'ammonia' or 'odd chemical scent' one detects in the woods could be the sign of a meth.lab. Also any trash with lots of pseudophedrine sinus meds.wrappers/boxes and you are likely looking at something related to a meth. lab. The 'stuff' is extremely toxic and flammable. A lot of labs are mobile...ie. campers/trailers/cars/trucks... Sadly, a lot of the folks who are cooking up the stuff...are in bad shape ie. skin&bones and very paranoid/delusional & armed/violent. Treat with caution! Call the police...rather than try taking on desparate meth. folks... I live in an area where Meth. has been a problem...and it's sad, especially when you consider the children inadvertantly involved and the way Meth. can destroy a person's life...

lil_bro
May 31, 2006, 01:16 AM
Me and my bro have decided that if we ever get into a gun fight with a druggie(s)that we will not only fight with bullets but also with psychological warfare.
Our idea is too yell as loud as we can(and make sure they hear it)stuff like this.


"YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-HHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWW"

"THIS AIN'T NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK!!!"

"WALT YOU AND ELMER FLANK THEM ON THE LEFT,GEORGE YOU AND ZACH FLANK THEM ON THE RIGHT,ME AND BOB WILL STAY HERE,WHEN I GIVE THE WORD WE'LL ALL MOVE IN TOGETHER!!!"

"I DON'T WANNA WASTE AMMO ON THESE GUYS,WALT HAND ME A FEW STICK OF THAT DYNAMITE!!!"

"STALL THEM I WILL GO GET THE RPG'S,OK WILL DO!!!"

"I THINK I SEE ON OF THEM BEHIND THAT ROCK HERE HOLD MY BEER AND HAND MY THE SNIPER RIFLE!!!"

"JUST LIKE WHEN YOU WERE A KID RIGHT DAD?"

"PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMO!!!"(from one of the dixie-chick songs)

"I'M GETTING BORED CAN WE PUSH THE BUTTON FOR THE CLAY-MORES AND GO HOME NOW BIG BROTHER?"

"HEY GOOD IDEA HAND ME A FEW OF THOSE HAND-GRENADES!!!"


There is more but I will save those for another day.


So do y'all think maybe those will get them a little sacred:D




Michael.

Harley Quinn
May 31, 2006, 09:00 AM
In self defense:D

I'd just shoot um, forget about the talk. You are doing them a favor putting them out :rolleyes: of their misery.

HQ

lil_bro
May 31, 2006, 09:56 AM
In self defense:D

I'd just shoot um, forget about the talk. You are doing them a favor putting them out :rolleyes: of their misery.

HQ

LOL the yelling would happen after they shot at us.But ya your right if that ever happeneds(hope it don't)I will let my weapon do all the talking:)


Michael.

Don Gwinn
May 31, 2006, 11:21 AM
If it makes you feel any better, it scared me a little.
:D

lil_bro
May 31, 2006, 10:55 PM
If it makes you feel any better, it scared me a little.
:D

See the psychological warfare is working.:D


Michael.

chemist308
June 3, 2006, 11:35 AM
I don't go into the woods without a gun--no exceptions--but meth labs are not really the reason. However, this gives me pause to think that maybe a semi-auto is a better pick for hiking than my Ruger single action in 357mag. Maybe an M1 Carbine, possibly with a foldable stock.

Harley Quinn
June 3, 2006, 11:52 AM
That M1 is a good pick.

I have numerous ones, some in different calibers, 5.77mm is a good one, fast and goes through clothing very easy. 3300 ft per second gets it done.

The 30 cal has similar power as the 357, it is a rifle in SA. I Likee.

HQ

Foxman
June 3, 2006, 05:12 PM
I noticed Lil bro mentioned em getting sacred, is that going to like when Billy Graham hit the top notes and they all get religion and give up the drugs?
I'm more in favor of sending em straight to heaven with a straight shot myself.:D

silicon wolverine
June 4, 2006, 09:36 PM
What theyve done wrong is between them and god. Its our job to arrange the meeting.:D

SW

guntotin_fool
June 5, 2006, 02:01 PM
Meth labs are becoming a huge problem not just in the country, a few weeks ago we had a little travel trailer fire at local apt building, it was a meth lab.

We had two fish houses burn down out on the lakes this year near us, both meth labs.

A guy we know found an abandoned city bus sitting in his drive way of his hunting land. Not stolen but bought at auction, it was a very large and high quality drug lab. He had pics of it, it was not one where the parts were cobbled up, It had real stoves, with proper hookups, not just propane deep fryers. It had a lot of work done to it. Cops said it would have been able to make many many pounds a day in it. Just on the news a few days ago, a rented ryder truck burned up and it was a lab.

YOU DO REALIZE this could all be stopped in a few days? right?

The active ingrediant is from a Pseudoepinephrine based or epinephrine compound. If this ingrediant was treated with a very simple chemical, it would be impossible to make meth out of it. It would not stop it's cold medicine quality, but it would make cooking it turn it into something nauseating. There are really only like five or six factories in the WORLD that make the precursor compounds that meth requires.

Some states have banned having epi or pseudo epi drugs out on the counter and the DRUG companies hate this as they say it has cut down on their profits. BUT in areas where these are required to be held behind the counter, lab discoveries have dropped way down.

Further more there are much better and longer lasting and lower side effects meds on the market now that are far better alternatives to the Pseudofed type drugs. But people do like to stay with what they know.
It has been reported that over one half of sudafed sales are to meth production. Stop the availablitly of the raw material and you stop the production of meth.

All you older guys, remember when 'Ludes were a huge problem. People stumbling around just bombed on Quaaludes, this stopped relatively fast when it was discovered that base compound was made in three places and the DEA went to those places and looked, something like 70% of production was going to mexico and venezuala. It did not take a rocket scientist to know that this was not were this stuff was going but rather a way stop on the way to the USA. The DEA installed monitors at the sights and started to prevent the dispersal of the ingrediant and suddenly the market system took over. With 70 % or more of the street supply gone, prices skyrocket and people quit using it.

A few years ago, these drugs were required to be kept behind the counter for a while, street grade fell and street prices skyrocketed. However Drug Co lobbiests and others put heavy pressure on Congress to over turn the Executive branch ruling.

Harley Quinn
June 13, 2006, 08:11 AM
I believe it is because of the control of the drugs at the street level and to establish a territory.

In some areas the police are really into more shooting's than ever, they seem to be winning them also. The people who are just hanging out or don't have the ability to shoot back are the ones in trouble right now.

Just goes to show how these punks operate. Shoot into crowds and kill innocents. Sad.

HQ

Jseime
June 14, 2006, 06:35 PM
I live in a farming area in central Saskatchewan anhydrous ammonia is fairly common in some areas around here and it wouldnt be hard to get a hold of some of it for twisted reasons. The manufacture of meth is so simple that a hillbilly like me could make it which is pretty sickening.

hunters_haven
June 16, 2006, 11:48 PM
I knew I wasn't crazy for carrying a battle load of ammuntion when I go hunting, which only requires a single shot to get my deer. I hunt with a M-1 Garand but I also have a few SMLEs that I have for backup guns if something goes south with my Garand. When I go out I store my ammo in the surplus issue bandoleers which hold six or seven en bloc loaders. I used to be armed thusly just because of poacher problems in the past, but now I see I'm being prudent because of the meth problems. My rural part of Missouri is meth head central I think.

On a brighter note, I also have a bayonet for my Garand now to add to my extra ammo load. It's sad when I find that the mil surps double as defensive armament while hunting.

lil_bro
June 17, 2006, 12:23 AM
I knew I wasn't crazy for carrying a battle load of ammuntion when I go hunting...

IMO its not crazy or paranoid its prepared.


Michael.

hunters_haven
June 17, 2006, 09:07 PM
I don't like to do it and it's sad that we have to do it, the carrying of more ammunition than would normally be needed for hunting, but times change, often not always for the better.

I just hope I never need to use more than one shot, used to take down my deer.