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Doug.38PR
April 17, 2006, 09:00 AM
Do they still make the above said shotguns? I've heard people (friends, gun dealers, etc) say they don't. My dad has always wanted a side by side short double barrel shotgun. But all you ever see in stores now is the over and under long double barrel and then of course the pump and semi auto.

Does anyone out there make them? I know gunsmith companies like Briley can make them but they cost an arm and a leg (like $3000+:eek: )

Do they even make them with Cowboy replicas?

FirstFreedom
April 17, 2006, 09:10 AM
Take a look at the Baikals, called Spartans now from Remington:

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/SPR_models/SPR210_side-by-side_specs.asp

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/SPR_models/SPR220_side-by-side_specs.asp

And CZ has 4 different models:

http://www.cz-usa.com/products_shotguns.php?m=1

The Baikals are very inexpensive, and even the CZs are going to be well under $1,000, and some have the traditional external hammer w/ short barrel - ye olde' coach gun. There are others, too. Enjoy!

famine
April 17, 2006, 10:42 AM
Stoeger makes a few also. Some of the cowboy doubles look pretty sweet.
Famine

QuaTscH94
April 17, 2006, 10:51 AM
Like famine said, I'm pretty sure Stoeger makes them and that Big 5 sells that brand. I've seen coach guns in their adds for $220

rjv140
April 17, 2006, 11:00 AM
ruger also makes them too

orbea_pro
April 19, 2006, 07:58 PM
I just recently purchased a Remington (aka Baikal) Spartan model 210. I was after a gun with modern features (screw-in chokes, shell ejectors, single trigger) for Sporting Clays, but something JUST a little different than what everyone else has. I am very impressed by it. If you'd like PM me with an Email address, I'd be happy to take some close-in pictures of it if your thinking of buying one.

SauerAttitude
April 22, 2006, 06:09 PM
Check this out. I will own one when I get the mula.

http://www.dhshotguns.com/index.html

Diggers
April 22, 2006, 07:19 PM
There are a bunch of makers of sxs due to the cowboy action shooting crowd. Gotta have a stagecoach gun for that stuff.
:)

Diggers
April 22, 2006, 07:19 PM
There are a bunch of makers of sxs due to the cowboy action shooting crowd. Gotta have a stagecoach gun for that stuff.
:)www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/coach-supreme.tpl
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/SPR_models/SPR220_side-by-side.asp
Here is a selection for you.

malachi
April 22, 2006, 10:54 PM
The ruger is a nice looking one and is about half that price (maybe a little more). I have their o/u and it has sure been a good one.

stellarpod
April 23, 2006, 06:51 AM
And then, if you can come up with the cookies, there's this beauty:

http://www.kimberamerica.com/shotguns/

Mmmm.mm.mm.mm.m... :D

stellarpod

FirstFreedom
April 23, 2006, 09:53 AM
at Stoeger's use of the term "coach gun" for their SxS's with internal hammers.

Jart
April 23, 2006, 10:39 AM
Beretta
Dakota
Weatherby
Marlin
Rizzini
CSMC
Fabbri
Bosis
Holland & Holland
DM Brown
J Purdey
Westley Richards
Merkel
BSA Warwick
AyA
Francotte
WW Greener
Arrieta

Are all current production I believe.

Not all priced in the stratosphere though some are.
There's no shortage. The Marlin Elsie import, Beretta's SxS, Weatherby d'Italia, CSMC's 21 and the occasional Dakota are all stocked by various dealers locally.

I've heard people (friends, gun dealers, etc) say they don't.
My advice would be to keep the friends but find a new dealer.

The Marlin Elsie looks pretty nice and manages to insinuate itself neatly between CZ and Ruger price-wise.

fett tracking
April 23, 2006, 11:07 PM
What ever happened to the super cheap and reliable double hammer beaters? Didn't savage used to make those? I'd pay for one of those...

Savage10FP308
April 23, 2006, 11:19 PM
I love this site! That is the weirdest thing! I swear to you all I was just getting on here to ask if someone made a no frills (engraving) double barrel side-by-side. Anyways, does ruger make anything other than the expensive gold label? I like the look of that Remington and the Stoeger.

Diggers
April 24, 2006, 09:28 AM
Savage, I see in you gun list you have a CZ. Check out their shotguns, they have a couple sxs. Also Savage, the company, is selling the Stevens 411 SxS now too. http://www.gunblast.com/Stevens411.htm you can read about it there.

FirstFreedom
April 24, 2006, 12:32 PM
Oooh, man, I want one of those Savage 411s or Rem/Spartan (they're both Baikal guns), in 20 ga for my poor man's quail, pheasant, & dove gun. I grew up watching Westerns so I love the side by sides, as compared to an O/U, which I associate in my mind with gun club gun snobs, for better or worse.

Savage10FP308
April 24, 2006, 01:59 PM
Good post digger. All of you guys have made my day. I have been wondering about this for a while and I get on here and there it is. One thing I have been wondering though is: has anybody ever shot both barrels on a 12 guage sXs?(not slugs, just bird and buckshot)

Jart
April 24, 2006, 06:55 PM
has anybody ever shot both barrels on a 12 guage sXs?

Does unintentionally count?



Idle speculation on my part: The CZ Ringneck is selling like gangbusters around here. If it hangs together, and it appears it will, I wonder if a pile of 'em showing up on the used market will reinvigorate the value end of the market?

Anything that puts more SxSs in circulation is OK by me.

FirstFreedom
April 24, 2006, 07:26 PM
do you know, what are the principal differences between the Durango & the Ringneck, from CZ?

also, do tell us the story of the double-discharge - were you flat on your back afterward?

Edit - oh nevermind - the durango is a short barrelled gun (20"), primarily for CAS games, but the ringneck & bobwhite are for hunting upland birds - and these two models, in their 28 gauge versions, are built on a mini 28 ga special frame for optimum balance.

Question: Would you guys choose 28 guage or 20 guage for an all-day-shooting upland bird gun?

Jart
April 24, 2006, 08:02 PM
A minor disapointment with the 20Ga Ringneck was that the ends of the barrels were slightly oversized to accomodate the screw-in chokes. Thus, there's a very minor "blunderbuss" look. The 12Ga doesn't seem to have this problem, the .410 has fixed chokes - I don't know about the 28.


The "double" was me doing a trigger dance on the dual trigger L.C. Smith, forgetting which barrel was which (I've since decided they're both full, so no biggie). Light loads, just embarassing.
:o

Csspecs
April 24, 2006, 08:20 PM
You had asked about "short barrels". Any shotgun with barrels under 18 inches is an NFA weapon and is a pain to get (not to mention almost useless).

Now a fairly nice side by side with say 20 inch barrels would be fine and close enough to what you want. ( I always believe that it is better to have a gun that is not under any extra rules).

Savage10FP308
April 24, 2006, 08:34 PM
specifically the nickel plated with the synthetic stock. I like to buy guns with synthetic stocks more than wood for some reason. I guess I just like the way they look and I'm not as worried about dinging them up. I think I may add the 20in Nickel Stoeger to my "want" list. I know these would make a pretty good home defense gun, but has anyone ever tried them on blackbirds or crows or anything at a range of about 10-15 yards?

Diggers
April 25, 2006, 01:37 AM
10 to 15 yards will work with that gun just fine. Thats pretty close still. I have read posts of people shooting trap with short barrel gun like that. They said it worked. Kinda funny. But hey, its only say 6 or 8 inches shorter than guns people hunt or shoot clay with so the pattern won't be THAT much more spread out.

Savage10FP308
April 25, 2006, 11:18 AM
Thanks for the info. I love shooting birds with my 870, but it would be cool to kind of mix things up and take the coach gun out for a try if I eve get around to getting one. I start my summer job here in a week, but I have a few guns on the list before I get around to it. Anyways, once again I have found a plentiful supply of useful information on TFL. Great people and great site. Thanks again.

Doug.38PR
September 10, 2006, 05:55 PM
I just ordered dad a Remington SPR 220 20 inch 12 gauge for 299+tax. He has talked about these double barrel side by side shotguns ever since I can remember but didn't think they made them anymore. :o He will be thrilled by this. Be a good option at the skeet range with his 28 inch semi auto Remington AND a great Home Defense Gun for him.

thank you for the information gentlemen:)

Tahoe
September 10, 2006, 06:25 PM
StellarPod...I check that Kimber out almost every time I go my gun shop. $4469.

The forestock is small. Different than anything I've ever shot. But it swings like a charm. I think its made in Turkey. Sweet gun.

skeeter1
September 10, 2006, 08:32 PM
To the best of my knowledge, there are still plenty of SxS shotguns, but the better ones aren't cheap. Start at around $1K and go up from there.

Remember, you get what you pay for.

Tahoe
September 11, 2006, 09:14 PM
I was at the gun shop today and all of the sxs were 20ga and 28ga. I just assumed the Kimber was available in a 12ga, but they said the only other guage it comes in is a 16ga.

Any reason why sxs are smaller guages? Or is that just my shop?

bbqbob51
September 11, 2006, 09:39 PM
I've been looking into buying a Stoeger Coachgun in 20ga. Seems like a pretty good gun for the money and my local Stoeger dealer says that they are very reliable. Part of the reliability is probably due to the inherent simplicity of the SxS. They also seems like they would be fun to shoot. I wish I could shoot one before I purchase but I don't know anyone that owns one. What the hell, I will probably make the leap, it's not that much of an investment.

Tahoe
September 11, 2006, 09:45 PM
I will get one at some point too.

Shooting one would be nice first. It seemed from across the counter that most had 2 triggers. Not sure about that though. The Kimber definately did.

Caeser23
September 12, 2006, 09:23 AM
there's one in my family that I'll eventually inherit :D

BOBA FETT
September 13, 2006, 05:49 PM
i have a STEVENS side by side 12 gauge with 18 inch barrels..the thing is mean....i paid like 240.00 for it.....there are other side by side short shotguns but they can get pricey...

FirstFreedom
September 13, 2006, 08:31 PM
Any reason why sxs are smaller guages? Or is that just my shop?

That's just your shop - I have a hard finding them in anything but 12 gauge, in an actual store.

Doug.38PR
September 15, 2006, 05:01 PM
Just picked up the shotgun today, had it wrapped, dad just opened it 15 minutes ago, put it together (NICE). He really likes it. Good defense gun he said.

A couple of things though.

1) Is the safety supposed to automatically click on whenever you crack open the gun and unload/reload? (seems like a disadvantage to me) Can it be disengaged and not automatic

2) It's kinda stiff when trying to crack it open. Any suggestions? Just work it in?

Tahoe
September 15, 2006, 05:50 PM
Is the safety supposed to automatically click on whenever you crack open the gun and unload/reload?

My Weatherby does NOT do that.

It's kinda stiff when trying to crack it open. Any suggestions? Just work it in?

Mine was quite stiff also. But after 3 trips to the range and 3 or 4 days hunting and its fine. I expect it will only get better.

My buds Ruger opens really nice...7years old though.

hehz0r
September 15, 2006, 08:34 PM
Some break open shotguns have an auto safety. Most gunsmiths will remove the linkage to disable it for a modest fee.