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Gortex
March 24, 2006, 04:08 PM
Is it legal to carry a conceled shotgun, like under a trench coat?

exar
March 24, 2006, 04:15 PM
I doubt it. There are length guidlines that have to be followed with a concealed weapon.

joab
March 24, 2006, 04:19 PM
Depends on your state
Fla has a conceal weapons permit many other states have a concealed handgun or pistol permit.

I do know that Fla has different rules for carrying rifles and shotguns in your vehicle than they do for handguns but I have never checked on carrying long guns concealed

NBT
March 24, 2006, 06:32 PM
Even if possible to conceal, it would be hard to do and you wold look kinda suspicious :confused:

biglabsrule
March 24, 2006, 06:37 PM
in order to effectively conceal and use the shotgun you would probably need to shorten the barrel and stock... there are laws on the length of barrels... just what i know on the matter..

Ga Johnny
March 24, 2006, 08:02 PM
"like under a trench coat?"

That's the way Clyde Barrow carried his,

with that said it might not be such a good idea

Dfariswheel
March 24, 2006, 08:47 PM
In all states, a shotgun concealed under a coat is a concealed weapon.
Even in states with a CCW law, those laws almost always are limited to handguns.

In general the only people carrying shotguns under trench coats are 211 (Armed Robbery) suspects, and they tend to get either shot or have their faces pushed into the concrete just prior to being handcuffed.

In other words, people with shotguns under the coat are considered by all to be Bad Guys, up to no good.

Earnhardtjr3829
March 25, 2006, 01:43 AM
Though I am the one of the world's biggest fan of shotguns, I have to say that is a bad idea. If your state allows it, just keep it in your vehicle. If you need it that bad just stay close. Remeber to keep that barrel legal.

OneInTheChamber
March 25, 2006, 07:39 PM
I don't know of legality; but you couldn't do anything in public without being "made". I hear its hard enough to conceal a handgun; would even be hard with an NFA short barreled gun with no stock on it.

Petre
March 26, 2006, 09:19 AM
Is it legal to carry a conceled shotgun, like under a trench coat?

Thankyou for the good laugh Gortex :D

oletymer
March 26, 2006, 09:25 AM
Why would you want to?

carebear
March 26, 2006, 04:22 PM
If you carry it outside the trenchcoat it gets wet in the rain.

Duh.

Hello123
March 26, 2006, 04:25 PM
I think most people that wear trench coats look kind of fruity.:barf:

SemperKnight
March 27, 2006, 12:26 AM
Not to long ago I saw a revolver that shot .410 and then one would have to consider the derringer 410/45 over under. If it shoots a shotgun shell then in my mind it is a shotgun and these examples are very concealable with or without the trench coat. I once owned a derringer 410 and carried it often. I would load it with 3" 000 buck. I found that if I aimed at the lower left hip of a silholt target from about 10 yrds the shot would carry up and to the right putting the 3 32cal pellets in a diagonal line from lower left hip to right shoulder. Never tried a slug though but am reasonably sure it would hit where aimed. Like the others here though I suggest you scrap the idea of trench coat carrying a regular shot gun.

oletymer
March 27, 2006, 09:59 AM
Cute carebear, you should engage brain before responding.

carebear
March 27, 2006, 12:12 PM
Or maybe not every response has to be profound?

Not that "Why would you want to?" is one for the ages either. :rolleyes:

Gortex
March 29, 2006, 11:20 AM
I would not want to carry a concealed shotgun but the thought crossed my mind as to the legality. My Winchester Marine would be easy to conceal if there was a sling made for that purpose but not practical.

SemperKnight did have some interesting comments on the subject which I never thought of. If a weapon fires a shotgun 3"-000 shell is it a shotgun? How could it be a shotgun if it was manufactured with a barrel less than 18"?

carebear
March 29, 2006, 11:37 AM
The pistols typically get away from being technically SBS's by being dual calibered in .45 Colt and by having at least part of their barrel rifled.

At that point they are legally centerfire pistols that can also fire shotshells rather than "shot pistols".

Constructing, purchasing or owning an actual short barreled shotgun in 12 ga. isn't that big of a deal. You have to do the NFA stuff but it is just a $5 Any Other Weapon stamp. There're other threads on the details.

Gortex
March 29, 2006, 11:51 AM
So you are saying it is possible to purchase a Shotgun like Mississippi had in the movie El Dorado?

Cole: Did you get him?
Mississippi: Who?
Cole: The fella that ran outta the church!
Mississippi: Well, yes and no.
Cole: Yes and no? Did you or didn't you?
Mississippi: I hit the sign, and the sign hit him.
Cole: Well, that's great.
Mississippi: He was limping when he left!
Cole: He was limping when he got here!

:D

Bonstrosity
March 29, 2006, 12:08 PM
during my conceal and carry class a police officer came in and brought up this topic. He said we could open carry a loaded shotgun...would it be a good idea? probably not. Even though it is completely legal here it would cause so much trouble that it wouldn't be worth it.

carebear
March 29, 2006, 12:20 PM
Gortex,

You'd have to take your state laws into effect and double check the Fed. side but yes, very short barreled shotguns are possible to own and apparently CCW in some states.

I liked the Ricky Nelson/Dean Martin version better.

JohnBrowning
March 29, 2006, 12:21 PM
In Michigan, a shotgun less than 30" but at least 26" is a pistol, and I believe that they can be carried with a CPL.

dragonfire
March 29, 2006, 12:53 PM
"In Michigan, a shotgun less than 30" but at least 26" is a pistol, and I believe that they can be carried with a CPL."

If its considered a pistol then why dont you need a permit to buy,and what about 18 inch with pistol grip.from my understanding a long gun has to have at least an inch barrel.

grey_pilgrim
March 29, 2006, 02:12 PM
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe (packing.org says) that indiana is a Concealed Handgun Permit state. Thus, no legal concealed shotguns.

Gortex
March 29, 2006, 02:22 PM
Yes pilgrim you are correct Indiana issues conceal handgun permits. The "thus" part I'm not so sure of.

JohnBrowning
March 29, 2006, 02:27 PM
Dragonfire,

In Michigan, a shotgun indeed must have at least an 18" barrel unless its an AOW, (Michigan does not allow civilians to have sawed off's:mad: ) and if its at least 26" but not quite 30", legaly it must be registered as a pistol.

Bender711
March 29, 2006, 02:48 PM
What about one of thoses flare gun 12ga, things?

carebear
March 30, 2006, 12:51 AM
They shoot flares.

BigFunWMU
March 30, 2006, 01:55 AM
Acutally here in MI, technically anything that you have to register :rolleyes: as a handgun, you can CCW as a handgun. This includes shorty shotguns, and some AK variant short bbl stockless critters. Even if there is a bayonet lug.

Difficult and inconvenient, but legal to the letter of the law. LEO would probably be a lil nervous if you got pulled over with one of those in your pants however. :eek:

CaCrusin
March 30, 2006, 04:17 PM
Here in the People's Republic of California, if you have a CCW, you may carry the three handguns listed on your carry permit and/or any long gun loaded, either on your person or in your vehicle. That means that you can have a loaded rifle or shotgun mounted in your vehicle, ready when needed. You may hide it under a trench coat but it would look rather suspicious with our weather and all.

MatthewVanitas
March 31, 2006, 03:13 AM
I'll chip in another vote for the Taurus shot-pistol, which takes .410 shotgun shells:

http://www.taurususa.com/imagesMain/H_4410TKR-2SS.jpg

Saw one over at McBride's in Austin, thought to myself "That's incredibly cool, but I have no practical use for it."

Thus I vote you buy one, and let all the rest of us shoot it.

-MV

joab
March 31, 2006, 07:38 AM
Why not carry a Shorty
http://www.serbu.com/shorty.htm