View Full Version : is it dumb for me to carry a P22 as my only ccw?
March 6, 2006, 03:22 PM
let me hear it
Glenn E. Meyer
March 6, 2006, 03:23 PM
Ask threegun. Private joke. I'm going to wait to see how this plays. Sorry to be silly here.
March 6, 2006, 03:24 PM
March 6, 2006, 03:25 PM
that's fine i'm all for a little fun and some jokes HAHA!!
March 6, 2006, 03:26 PM
Foolish? Yes. This is assuming you have or can afford better options. But, just about any gun is better than no gun as has been posted here about 8 million times....
March 6, 2006, 03:32 PM
Does it have the laser? :D
March 6, 2006, 03:38 PM
It's conspicuously unintelligent, but I wouldn't go as far as calling you "dumb." ;)
March 6, 2006, 03:40 PM
Can you kill a BG with a .22...Yes
Can you get something smaller and lighter than a PT-22 in a higher caliber, so you have less concern...Yes (kel-tec, Khar, Seecamp, etc)
It not the size of the bullet, it what you can do with it that counts.
March 6, 2006, 03:44 PM
Yes. I think it is stupid to make a conscious choice to carry such a small caliber for the primary purpose of self-defense. NO excuse in this case, as even the typical argument of "small size" does not hold true.
March 6, 2006, 03:56 PM
Wow, this one should get good! I carry a p22 - as it is my only option (only a few days a week). I have a dress code for work, and need to be able to hide it very well. A small frame revover in a larger caliber would have stuck my pocket out to much - tried it. Pistol wise, the p22 is very small, and hides perfectly. I carry stinger bullets to get that extra pop.
It comes down to what you need it for. If you feel that a 22 is not enough power, ask the many people who have been killed by them. I know i know, stopping power, ect..., but i guarentee you, no one wants to be shot no matter the caliber. The P22 carries 10+1, with an extra magazine you got a good 21 shots. Re-loading is quicker than revolver to.
I also like the p22's design. I have the serial number that they started fixing major issues, and my magazines also have proper serial number, another issue. It is a great gun, and very comfortable. I know alot of people don't care for the gun, but the only problem i've had is that it is picky with ammo-only cci is reliable 100%.
Well, hope we are all still friends after this one!:)
It's not vengence, it's punishment -The Punisher
March 6, 2006, 04:06 PM
Glenn buddy ole pal you know my stance on this. Carry as big a caliber as you can hide and shoot effectively. The 22lr is less effective than larger calibers. That said it is still better than no gun at all.
Funny how the above statement of complete logic and common sense can be argued against by some of the most intelligent sounding people.
March 6, 2006, 04:16 PM
It not the size of the bullet, it what you can do with it that counts.
Aah...yes...the ever popular 'size doesn't matter' argument...hmmm....:eek: :D
Glenn E. Meyer
March 6, 2006, 04:34 PM
I'll go with carry the most efficacious gun you can. I also agree for whatever reason if you end up only with a P22, I'd carry it rather than no gun.
Is it the best choice - if you can do better, do it. It's not dumb in the sense that you won't get some utility.
Unless finances don't permit, you can carry guns roughly of the P22 size that are more powerful. Thus, I'd regard that as a plinker.
If for example, you wanted a way smaller gun, then some of the little 22s make sense as a deep bug (but there are the 32s). Or it might be the case that arthritis makes you unable to shoot a stronger round.
Otherwise, you get some utility out of the gun and it might solve most of your problems. You decide the level of risk you want. I'd not carry a 22 as a primary unless there was some special circumstance, such as earlobe or neck carry of my NAA 22S Mini.
March 6, 2006, 04:53 PM
Glenn, Why on earth did we clash on the other site? You and I agree on almost everything. Was it PMS? Did my breath stink? You actually have a sense of humor on this board. Everything you have said (that I have read) is straight up as I understand it to be true, yet we argued like children on the other board. So strange. I am starting to like you.
March 6, 2006, 04:54 PM
Wait I disagree with the NAA LOL.
March 6, 2006, 05:37 PM
Depends on how well you can shoot it. If you can post groups of 2-3 inches in 2 sec. at 7 yds, I would say it doesn't matter because u can really stop someone quick with it. Just remember that it doesn't matter how big the gun is if you miss.
March 6, 2006, 06:08 PM
If you can post groups of 2-3 inches in 2 sec. at 7 yds
Doing this @ the range and against a moving possibly shooting target while under stress are two different things. Best to have something that can cause a bigger oil leak in the badguys hydrolics because hits are going to be precious. I can't recall how many gun battles end with multiple shots being fired yet nary a hair being cut. The last one I remember had over 20 rounds fired between 2 goodguys and one badguy with no one being touched.
Glenn E. Meyer
March 6, 2006, 06:15 PM
You pursued the mouse gun thingee too much over a nuance. But that can be water over the damn.
Recall, academics will fight to the death of word usage like utility. However, I prefer to get along with all. So enjoy this board.
March 6, 2006, 06:51 PM
It angered me that was being called a fool for considering the 25acp to be less effective than the 45acp in stopping an attack. You are correct, I couldn't let it go. Even a friend and coworker told me that everyone was playing me but I couldn't let it go. My bad. As you say water under the bridge. I do enjoy this site much better. A nicer group and a nicer Glenn.
March 6, 2006, 07:24 PM
Post this on some boards and they'll go ballistic you're carrying any weapon at all. And think you're dumb just for owning a gun (2,000 times more likely to get your family killed by gunfire or wild, stampeding elephants, dontcha know?).
Especially if you're the average CCW -- a white, middle class male who lives in a safe neighborhood.
For my .02 ... any gun of .22 or greater is "sufficient" for civilian SD. If you put some lead of any size in a B.G. it's going to change his whole day, pretty much guarantee he's brought to justice (bullets lodged in lungs hard to explain), and probably end the attack (though hopefully not with a spray of gunfire back at you).
But I think if you found yourself in that unlikely situation where the S--- is hitting the fan, I think you're going to be wishing you'd found a way to tuck in a .45. The faster you end an attack, the less likely you are to be dead or in the hospital yourself.
Of course, you will be glad to have something other than just a raised voice.
And if you think a .22 isn't capable of a one stop shot or putting someone down, watch the video of the Reagaon assassination attempt. 9 .22 rounds, 2 people down and the President nearly killed (though he didn't realize it at the time).
Carry whatever you want and be confident in it ... but the bigger the better.
March 6, 2006, 07:44 PM
Graveyards are full of people who thought a .22 couldn't kill them.
Some folks get down right handy with their favorite .22 pistol.
The BEST choice for CCW? We all know it's not. But, I'd sure hate to catch one in a tear duct.
March 6, 2006, 10:56 PM
I can understand why you'd want to carry a P22. Nice feel, accurate, 10+1, nice and light, etc. Down side, not reliable. I had nothing but problems with mine. Also the gunb showed a lot of wear on the slide after only about 1000 rounds. Not good. I would not want to rely on a P22. Forget the lack of inherent reliability with the gun itself, maybe I had a lemon, but rimfire is less reliable than centerfire. Think about it. I stll think a .38 snubbie is a better choice.
March 7, 2006, 06:35 AM
If it works for the Mafia, it should work for you.:D
All you need to do is coerce your BG into the front seat of your Caddy, while you're in the backseat with the .22 muzzle against the back of the BG's head.
March 7, 2006, 07:11 AM
Virgil, The same graveyard is filled with people who thought the .22lr was enough gun.
A quick story. A door to door jewelry salesman was outside feeding his rotweiler when a masked man confronted him and demanded to be taken to the gold. After some resistense and getting shot in the leg by this thug the jeweler reluctantly allowed the badguy inside. In the kitchen they confronted the jewelers daughter (the main reason the jeweler didn't want the thug to go inside). The thug now in a lather demands the gold or he will rape and kill the daughter. Momma in the bedroom half asleep had heard the gunshot but thought it was a backfiring car. Now she is wide awake and preparing after hearing the commotion in the kitchen including the threats to her daughter. After grabbing the families 357 mag revolver she positioned herself knowing that the safe was the target. As the thug and husband entered the room, mom confronted the thug who fired hitting mom in the arm and lung with the same 22lr he had shot the jeweler in the leg with. Mom proceeded (after being hit) to shoot the thug in the shoulder (to seperate him from her hunsband she later told my mother). The badguy fell to the floor and mom put the remaining 5 shots into his head.
Could this mom have shot this badguy had she been hit with say a 9mm? We will never know but one can speculate that it would have damaged the arm more severly and penetrated deeper into the chest cavity possibly changing the ability of this mom to shoot straight, fight ect. Bottom line why take the chance if you can shoot larger calibers just as good. There are tons of guns of similar or smaller size that pack a better punch. Several cost the same or just a bit more. Kel-tec p-32,p3at,p-11,kahr cw9,just to name a few.
March 7, 2006, 09:54 AM
Wow that's some story. Five rounds to the head after the guy was down. Wow, can't believe she wasn't charged.
Not trying to give you a hard time.
It's not vengence, it's punishment - The Punisher
March 7, 2006, 10:16 AM
I would'nt say it is stupid to carry a .22 for a CCW but it IS stupid to post the question on TFL, unless you like "constructive criticism" like many have said, its better than a sharp stick(or a knife) you are protecting your own life, ask yourself the question. If you feel comfortable and confident than what do you care what anybody else has to say....
March 7, 2006, 10:51 AM
Wow, after the first two shots to his head, I'm surprised there'd be anything left to put the remaining 3 into :eek:
In my opinion shooting a drug-induced hostile intruder with a 22 would be equivalent to throwing baseballs at a bear....But like I said, thats just my opinion...You have to hear all the horror stories about cop's failing to stop a BG with 357 or 45 JHP's before you begin to realize that people who use 22s for SD either don't miss, or they don't know any better...But I agree that a 22 is DEFINITELY better than nothing.
March 7, 2006, 11:08 AM
Better a .22 in your pocket than a .44 mag sitting in your night stand at home, eh?
But I'd also seriously consider saving up and getting something in a larger caliber that can hide just as well, or better.
March 7, 2006, 11:49 AM
all points well taken. Thanks guys. I think i'll buy a 9mm
March 7, 2006, 01:00 PM
Yomama, Dude what State do you live in.....pretty tough. This guy shot her and her husband. He was still alive and armed after the shoulder shot. It doesn't say anywhere that to many shots to stop an attack are a nono. She was just shot and in fear for her life, her husbands life and her daughters life. I would have emptied my pistol as well all 15 shots LOL. I would have shot until I thought the threat was over as she did. Btw I heard the story from both victims on two occassions not to mention physically looking at the bullet wounds to her arm and his leg. He walks with a cane now from the nerve damage. If you want to research it here is some info. This happened in the late 80's early 90's. The couples names Manuel and Dania Pendas owners of Pendas jewelry. The dead thug was the son of a family friend.
A plus for the need to train regularly. Both Manuel and Dania made a trip to the range every two weeks. He said that she was a better shot than he. Years later they had another encounter. A thug put a pipe thru the window of their car. Manuel fired one round of 38 special thru the side panel of the car into the badguys lung....he lived....but he stopped and ran. This one happened in Miami.
March 7, 2006, 02:19 PM
Those stories are just two more reasons I support the right to keep and bear arms!
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