Is your home defense shotgun pump or semi-auto?

[FirstFreedom]

??? I wanna see how much pumps dominate.

[Rem1187]

:) :) :) Rem 1187 I love it no pronlems at all it is a little long and heavy with a 30 in barell but it will get the Job done. To me this is the best shotgun ever made and my favorite.:)

Since I live in a townhouse with family and very thin dry wall its loaded with #6 1oz game load. At a max of 7 yards it sure as hell will get the job done.

See Ya
Rem 1187

[Rem1187]

double post sorry:confused:

[delzo]

Mines a pump.

And before I retired from the PD, it protected more than MY house.

[esldude]

Reliable semi-auto's don't have any short stroking problems under stress. Semi-auto for me.

[Badreno]

Remington 1100 12ga. in factory furniture.

[glockopop]

Am I really the first to post this? What could be scarier to a bad guy than the sound of a shotgun pump being racked in the dark?:mad:

[esldude]

Sound of a shotgun being fired in the dark maybe?:rolleyes:

[GlocksRfun]

Mossburg 500a,... 18 inch barrel, double pistol grips. good times, but it hurts the hand after enough shots, gonna get a hogue grip for it, then things should be OK

[American4guns]

Benneli nova with iron sights, 5+1, ammo sling,18" barrel, 3 1/2 chamber.:D

[Eghad]

Remington Police Model 870

Double Barrel Coach Gun

[cscoios]

Mossberg 500A. Replaced the pistol grip with a full stock a couple weeks ago. Much easier and more accurate to shoot now. 18" barrel, 2/34 or 3" shells, vented heat guard.

I don't know what gets punished more from shooting 00 Buck, my shoulder or the paper target.:D

[870pilot]

"Am I really the first to post this? What could be scarier to a bad guy than the sound of a shotgun pump being racked in the dark?"

ever let the bolt slam home on a semi? i think its a more testosterony sound effect that the pump... give it a try :cool: both should make all but the most ardent perp consider his/her intentions

[DAWGTRAXX]

mossberg 500

[FirstFreedom]

237 views; 41 votes. I'd be curious to know how many that didn't vote don't use ANY kind of shottie for home defense vs. those that just didn't vote. Shoulda put another poll choice (none of the above).

[Optical Serenity]

If for no other reason than to have the scary sound for people outside!

[dirksterg30]

Mossberg 500

[Pezo]

590-a1. it's a 9 shot pump

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Actually, the long gun of choice is an AR-15 but a Defender is backup for the second wave of Zombies.

The price was right - $239. The tactical semis weren't in the budget at the time. It's worked out ok for me.

[tork]

"Am I really the first to post this? What could be scarier to a bad guy than the sound of a shotgun pump being racked in the dark?"

i read this somewhere else on these boards, and i find it briliant, but: 'why would you eject a perfectly good shell?' i'm sorry for taking someone's answer, but i find it fits perfect.

and i would grab my 1187 if 6 wheelie gun shots didnt do the trick

[Wisby]

I have a 1187 SPS super mag and a Nova, the Nova is in my room and the 1187 in living room, so I use both... depends on where i'm at when the Entry takes place, but I usally have my PT-140 on me or at arms reach.

[STEVE M]

Gotta be different I suppose. Beretta 1201FP for me. Same handling as a

Benelli at half the price. Shame it's no longer made, makes finding accessories

and parts a pain.

[Striker]

870 Remington

[DBOUNCE1]

Remington 870

[Jart]

I was one of the ones that looked but didn't vote - just curious to see if I'd have an excuse to post this:
I "racked" the shotgun several times during the tests, and no bystanders lost control of their bowels.

Conclusion: Racking a shotgun will not make the bad guy faint.
...and I wasn't disappointed.

Compliments of the Box'OTruth (http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm)

L.C. Smith SxS 12Ga. backed up by a P239 in 357SIG. The 870's are kept in the wrong room and too long in the barrel - I may address that in the future.

[Ruger4570]

I use a Berreta 390 w/28 guage barrel. I could never see buying a seperate HD gun that had no other sporting purpose than sitting in my house waiting for the possibility of an intruder. My house was broken into a couple of months ago, the jerks were at least smart enough to be sure I wasn't home and I am sure they rang the doorbell several times too, just to be sure I wasn't there. I often wonder about the extended magazines and their actual usefulness. If for some reason a crook was DUMB enough to enter my home while I was there, I would not be standing up confronting him, I would be on the floor (where a semi is required to self load and not reveal myself),where he isn't going to expect me to be, behind as much wall or cover as possible. The last thing I am going to do is rack a round in (to scare him)so he gets the opportunity to know where I am. If he is facing me with a gun, I will simply shoot him, if his back is to me I will give him the chance to hit the floor voluntarily, if not, he will hit the floor anyways. I don't think in any case I would need more than 2 rounds to neutralize the threat, much less 6 to 8 shots. The high capacity short shotties look cool and mean, but I don't think a HD situation is going to be a recreation of the Alamo or D-day. I trust my 390 to function every trigger pull with no additional work on my part or have to expose my body to a perp. I have shot the 390, 1000's of times skeet shooting and it has never failed to function, never. I have heard ALL the stories why pump guns are better, I just don't buy it. I think it is about seeing too much TV and close ups of people shucking shells. Anyhow, that is my opinion..... let my flaming begin :D

[Dozerpilot]

18" 870 here. If I had the money it would have been a Super 90 instead.

[swmike]

Did a lot of Trapshooting with an 1100. No matter how clean and well maintained, the semi's seem to have more misfires than the pumps. Dirty gas cylinder or powder residue in firing pin/spring assy was main cause. Shooting for fun can tolerate these misfires. In a semi, one has to take one hand off the weapon and cycle the bolt. On a pump, not so. Rack in another round (if it ever does misfire) and get back to business.

Another factor for me. My 1100 only held 5 in the mag tube. My Mossy 500-ATP8 holds 8. If it turns into a running battle I have 5 more on the stock and 25 in a bandolier.

[Ruger4570]

I have owned several 1100's in my life. and as long as they were clean,,they worked. In your post you say,,, dirty this and dirty that, sorry, if the gun is halfway clean it will work. I wouldn't expect any dirty gun to function for me, that is whY I clean them after use. I have shot many 1000's of shots with auto's and never had a problem. I think the problem is with those that just don't like semi's and are convinced pumps are better. I wonder why the Army, Marines etc don't have pump rifles if auto's are so inferior and prone to not working. As far as a running battle goes, what are the chances of that. Seriously, you catch a perp in your house, how many shots will it take to end it. What makes you think if you don't get the first shot off, you will get a chance at a second or a third or more shots much less a running battle. C'mon guys, this isn't a Rambo movie. If you want a pump, God bless you, but please stop knocking auto's as being useless, it simply shows your lack of knowledge about them and their dependability. A clean auto will perform every time,, period, everything else is simply BS and some kind of Macho thinking.

[kjmbear67]

I wonder why the Army, Marines etc don't have pump rifles if auto's are so inferior and prone to not working.

Is this true? I thought that the Army and Marines used Remington 870s and/or Mossberg 590s...

[jhgreasemonkey]

I HAVE A FRIEND WHO SERVES IN THE U.S. SPECIAL FORCES AND HE TOLD ME THAT THEY ALWAYS LIKE TO EQUIP ONE MAN ON THEIR FIRE TEAM WITH A PUMP 12 GUAGE SHOTGUN. THE REASON IS THAT THEY ARE MORE RELIABLE IN A COMBAT SITUATION. AND SUPPOSEDLY YOU CAN ACTUALY FIRE A PUMP ACTION FASTER. HERE IS AN PART OF AN ARTICLE ON THIS SUBJECT:
Background: Various models of shotgun have been in service use since 1901. The current inventory consists of four different 12 gauge shotgun models: Remington 870, Winchester 1200, Mossberg 500, and Mossberg 590. (Weight and length of the weapon depend on the manufacturer.)

[Dozerpilot]

In all my time in the USAF, the only shotgun I have seen was an 870. It belonged to the Security Forces Squadron special response team, and it was set up specifcly as a breaching gun. I spoke to my brother in law, a Marine, on the phone one night while he was holding a Benelli pump. I think he said it was an M3. I'll always keep my 870, but I'd still like to have a Super 90 or a 1187P.

[muddinman_04]

Mossberg 500 pump. Side saddle, Butler Creek folding stock, and some 00 buck shot.

[3o3brit]

Ruger4570 I agree with you.

My defense shotgun is a Ted Williams 300 (same as Win 1400)
Carried it for bird hunting and many years and MANY hundreds of rounds later trust it 100%
It has never malfunctioned, ever.

It now has an 18" barrel and while it only holds 2 rounds in the magazine, I in no way feel under gunned with 3 shots total.

When I shot clay pigeons with it I got in the habit of 'shoot one load one'

[Twycross]

Pump. Win 1300 12 ga.

[Ruger4570]

303britt: Thanks for the agreement. I have heard ALL the discussions about pump vs auto, most have complaints about auto's not functioning, especially when dirty,, DUH!! You want to trust your life to a dirty gun..even a pump the argument is pointless and basically dumb. I have owned MANY auto's and never had one ever fail to function if kept even "reasonably" clean. I shoot many thousands of shots in competition every year and use an auto most of the time. I read a post that a pump can fire faster than an auto, well I have $100.00 bucks I will bet that I can shoot my auto a lot faster at a target and hit it.
I can't see any problem with 3 shots in a gun, unless you are completly incompetent and the worlds worst shooter. 3 is probably 2 more than you should need. I read about "running gun battles" and the need for 25 to 30 rounds of ammo.. that is movie stuff, not real life. I cannot immagine a bad guy(s) wanting to engage in this, at least not in the usual breakin situation. In fact, most of them want to be sure you are NOT at home and will flee if discovered. For example, when was the last time you heard about a homeowner firing 10 shots or more to defuse a situation. It happens in movies "where bullets make sparks" and is not an everyday occurance. Out of the millions of people that have guns, how many have ever been robbed, broken into when they were home and of those, how many fired more than one shot. Being prepared makes sense, being Rambo is simply macho fantacy based on no facts whatever.

[hpg]

Remington 870 with a Davis Speedfeed III tactical stock. hpg

[Glockamolie]

Winchester 1200 7-shot. Bought it for $125 out the door at a gun show. There was a rack of 'em; take your pick. They were from a local Sheriff's Dept. Mine was marked for the Jail Division, so it was probably carried and shot less than a patrol shotgun. It's not rough, but I also didn't have the displeasure of putting the first scratch on it, either! :)

[BrthrB]

M1 Super 90 and Beretta 1201FP...Same basic function for consistency in training.

I figure 2 are better than one!

[czc3513]

What could be scarier to a bad guy than the sound of a shotgun pump being racked in the dark?
Sound of a shotgun being fired in the dark maybe?
lmfao! :D
Well.... I am guilty of not having a home defense shotgun.
But, you forgot single and double break opens.

[Spahrtan]

Hawk-Ultracell pump shotgun. This gun (for the majority who are not familiar with it) is basically a chinese production of an 870. I found one at a gun show for $200 and bought it. I have since replaced the barrel with an 18" barrel, added a heat shield, upgrades sights, replaced forend with a Tacstar pistol fore-grip, Tacstar WLS2000 flashlight with pressure switch mounted on forgrip, KNoxx Cop-Stock folding buttstock, and Outdoor connection quick-adjust slung (not pictured). for a project total of right around $500.

[drifts1]

Pump action Moss500 in its out of the box condition. Works great so I wont mess with it!

[O6nop]

I got a Maverick 88 12 gauge pump. I got it NIB for about $139. I replaced the 26" barrel with a 18-1/2" cylinder bore and put a pistol grip with a top folding stock and added a 5 shell carrier to the stock. Unfortunately, I haven't even fired it, even at the range. I want to try it out, get the feel for firing it and check out what kind of patterns it shoots. The range I go to has a specific area for SD shotgun practice with a silhouete target. I've been too busy testing out my other weapons, such as my 9MM Glock, S&W 357Mag, Taurus PT22, Ruger 10/22, and Yugo SKS. My priority should be the SD shotgun but actually I just got the new bbl and didn't want to use the old one because I want to resell it.

[BUCKMARK]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v290/buckmark/tactical1100.jpg


1100 Remington with 18.5" barrel/ trijicon bead.

8 shot with speed loading gate and a extended bolt handle that can be operated with the off hand. Speed Feed stock. I tuned the gas ports to work with standard 2 3/4" loads. I use #4 shot for home defense.

I also installed the Side Saddle so I can grab it and go. Trigger group has been tuned and polished with the Remington factory comp trigger kit. I also use the newer teflon o ring and one piece piston kit.

There is nothing in the world wrong with a pump gun. But this auto has been 100% rock solid, and with practice... clearing any malfunction is super easy and fast.

[Springfield XD40 Man]

I've got a mossberg 500 12 gauge pump, 18" barrel. I'm a fan of the 100% reliability with pump actions.:D

[zippyfusenet]

I'm a noob with no shotgun. I'm thinking about getting one for home defense. I don't hunt. I see I can get a basic, functional 12 gauge pump gun at Walmart for less than $150, or an NIB pump riot gun for under $350, or maybe find a good used pump gun for a couple hundred. Catalog prices for semi-auto 12 gauge shotguns start around $800 and run up to twice that or more. I think there's a pump gun in my future.

[870 wingmaster]

I have my trusty 870 wingmaster magnum cut to 20'' cyl bore!!!!! 4 to 5 shells will work just fine!!:)

[triggerhappy2006]

Mossy 835. I pump, it chambers, I pull the trigger, it fires. enough said

[triggerhappy2006]

double post.. damn that reload button

[RedPhnx]

Semi-Auto here

Browning A-5 light 12 guage

Loaded with 3 00 Buckshot and 3 slugs in a butt stock holster. Backed up by my .22 revolver and Beretta 21a 22. cal pistol.

The pistols are way undersized so I put my trust in the shotgun. Can't wait until I can get my .45 and retire the other two pistols to destroying tin cans.

[Mannlicher]

I favor a 870 Wingmaster pump, with 2 shot mag extension and a 20 inch riflesighted barrel. This is as foolproof as it gets. I have it stuffed wtih 00 Buck, and carry 5 slugs in a butt cuff.
Yeah, I know that there is a school of thought that favors birdshot, but golly, what ya gonna do when conditions are not optimal for that? Recently, a guard in Miami was shot at close range with a 12Ga and #6's. He is alive and well today.

[Pezo]

I'd say that though I myself prefer a pump action shotgun. ( my 590-a1 :) ). I still find that some people find the length of the shotgun in combination with the need to pump it, a bit intimidating. In this I see a need for the use of semi autos for self defense roles. If you find the right ammo to gun combo, then this would be a wise alternative. I prefer pumps, do to the reliability of shooting various ammo. This can easily be a moot point for others who prefer not to have to pump( may seem a bit unweildly to small statured person's, perhap some women) but still want the powerful multi shot repeating 12 gauge, especially in a short barrel. They would just need to find good self defense ammunition that fires reliably (and practice shooting) and they would be set.

[FirstFreedom]

It's running a consistent 79%/21%.

[TX_RGR]

Pump, for the simplicity. Just less to go wrong. Nothing wrong with either. I just like to eliminate as many negative outcomes as possible. I have rails on mine, but haven't added any tacticool stuff to it. Another thing to get in the way. Toyed with the idea of a tacticool light, but all I need is for the wire from the pressure switch to come off and snag me up when it counts.

[TexiCali Slim]

Winchester Defender, Nice gun BUCKMARK but what is it doing in the dirt?

[Gunrnr]

Remington 870 Police / 8 round choat mag. Still need to put a Surefire on it, though.

The comment about "What could be scarier to a bad guy than the sound of a shotgun pump being racked in the dark?" reminded me of an instance, as a young LEO in the mid-70s. I was partnered up with a TO and we happened upon an open back door at a motorcycle shop. Walked around the bldg and saw the BG stuffing tools into his pockets. Partner kicked the door and racked one into the chamber of his issue 870. Even before he could bellow "Freeze", we saw the leg of the BG's jeans go from faded blue back to indigo. Hindsight made me think about the things my trainer could have done better (e.g., wait for backup, split up front/rear, etc.) but I'll never forget how proud I was to keep my game face and not fall into hysterics at the sight of the instant color change of the dude's jeans.

[Gortex]

Would anyone know the effective range of OO buck from a 12 gauge, 18" barrel would be? Never mind found something close.

Winchester Marine 12 gauge Pump

[RNettles]

Turkey or Bad Guy... It doesn't make much difference to 3" 00 X 15 buckshot...

50 yards... 20" spray....

[spyderdude]

My home defense shotgun is my only shotgun for now. The Remington 870.... heard nothing but positive things about it, plus they're pretty inexpensive. The awesome sound of the action being racked is music to my ears, but bad news for the person who had the nerve to force their way into my home. :p

[Inverness11]

I keep an 870 express with the stock 28" vent rib and an elastic shell holder on the buttstock. I'd like a shorter barrel, maybe a tactical light and a mag extension. However, I fear that if I ended up having to use it in a defense situation, no matter how legitamate, there would be a lot more legal BS to deal with if I were the gun nut with a tactical shotgun just waiting for some young punk to break into my house rather than some guy lucky enough to grab the 'ol huntin gun. Maybe this is just my dystopian paranoia.

[Lycanthrope]

Would it change the poll if they were the same price? Good auto's can easily cost over twice as much as a good pump.

[Springfield XD40 Man]

I've got a Mossberg 500 12 gauge pump. I like the reliability of a manual action, I've always prefered pumps. Mine has the 18.5" defense barrel, loaded with 00 buckshot.:D

[TimmyD]

double barrel 12 gauge 20 inch barrels with exposed hammers

[TimmyD]

double barrel 12 gauge 20 inch barrels with exposed hammers

[Cowman]

New Haven/Mossberg model 485B

why a bolt action?
It's got a detachable mag so I can leave the gun unloaded but have the mag loaded and ready to slap in there at a moment's notice. Not like I'm likely to ever actually have to defend myself here(almost no violent crime in these parts) and if I do one shout ought to be enough :D

[HangFire83]

Semi for me. Moss. 9200. Keep it loaded up in the tube so I just have to rack the slide to put one in the chamber. To answer the question about wether or not that sound deters a criminal or not....If I am only carrying a hand gun and I also know I have to break in through a narrow point of enrty against the scatter gun I just heard cycle, I may reconsider. Thats just my .02

[TheGunShack]

500 Cruiser 20 gauge pump, pistol grip, 8 shot for indoors.
500 Sp Purpose 12 gauge pump, full stock, 8 shot, Trijicon sight for outdoors.

[AdamGrier_atc]

Mine's a pump. Rem 870.

[PATH]

Wish I had an old Ithaca but the Mossberg 500 fits the bill quite nicely thank you!

[biglabsrule]

model 1300 defender from winchester... holds 8 rounds, opens right up :P

[flashman70]

Remington 870 - 18" barrel, with Knoxx SpecOps stock. Need to get a Surefire for it.

[cuate]

A sawed off but over 18" Winchester Mod. 97 pump and a Russki double barreled coach gun, both 12 guage.

[9mmMike]

Couple/few 870's here at casa del 9mm.

BUCKMARK, That's a nice shotty but I'd be worried about bumping that extension off the gun without a clamp. FWIW.

Mike

[nagantfan]

One's a pump (Mossy 500) and the other is a double-barrel coach gun, both loaded with Hornady TAP 00 buckshot.

Both loaded, w/ rounds in the chambers...if you gain unauthorized entry into my home, I am NOT fooling around with you. What's more, under Okie-Homa law, I don't HAVE to fool around with you, either: 21 O.S. 1289.25.

[Gewehr98]

It intrigued me so much, I couldn't say no when I found the government conversion kit, so I'd have my own.

This one staved off a home invasion robbery attempt at my last assignment in Sacramento, and stays ready at hand for HD purposes to this day. Remington 870Mk1, no short-stroking from this operator, no ammo fussiness, no gas or recoil system jamming.

http://mauser98.com/870-3.jpg

[Edward429451]

870 Wingmaster. 6 in the tube, 6 on the side & 5 on the butt. Grab n go.

Wears a police trade in barrel around the house, kept the long barrel for skeets & birds.

[vinchypl]

Armscor Model 30 12 ga. pump w/ 5+1 and 16 inch barrel and polymer stocks w/ no. 6. Low cost, reliable, lots of parts here (Philippines).

[CelticWolf]

I own a single shot 12ga savage. I have been looking at a 870 for quite some time. Unsure about some things. Their is a button on the gun to open the action. I have never shot this weapon. Do you have to press it while the gun is loaded to relaod?

[Lycanthrope]

There is a button under the receiver to unlock the action so you can unload it by pumping out the live rounds. You can load rounds into the tube fromthe bottom anytime without using the release.

When firing the action unlocks automatically, so you just pull the trigger..... pump..... pull the trigger....

[seabat]

winchester 1300 defender 8 shot, just in case there's more than 1 bad guy.

[ddtdhunter]

i have both in one room a 11-87 super mag nad an 870 Suger mag in another an 870 i am modifing for HD. Also, in case of more than 1 intruder.

[OBIWAN]

My kimber is an auto:D

[45aim]

rem 870 12ga.

[fire medic]

I have a Maverick 88 8 shot security. Rack a round into the chamber and know its going to fire.

[dad23honu]

Mossberg 500

[doc tc]

Mossberg 500, 8 shot, Knoxx SpecOps stock, 2-3/4 rifled slugs. this rig will do it and not ruin the furniture.

I recall the first trip to the range...pinned some printer paper sheets to the berm at a hundred yards and ambled back to the line...

"line is hot!" sounded. I shouldered the beast, standing, put the front bead a couple of inches high and let her rip. the lack of recoil was surreal...and so was the paper, now two very torn pieces floating in the air...jacked in another round, pulled and the half sheet on the left disappeared...jacked in another and the half sheet on the right was gone. at that point I set her down on the bench and just stared.

what's left to do when that happens?

play with the 1858 cap and ball remington of course.

so for me the high capacity mossberg bolted to the recoil compensating knoxx stock is about as good as you can do.

makes me happy.

doc

[malachi]

11-87P and no1 buck.

[viper5243]

Now don't get offended and ****** or anything but i just find it funny how everybody talks about home intrusion. How many of you will actuall be awake and be able to grab a gun in time to do anything. And whats the deal with the 8 and 9 shot shotguns? Do you really know what 1 round froma shotgun can do to a person? I have read these posts alot and im not poking at anybody but if everybody is such a good shot why do you need 9 shots?

:confused: One thing i never understood is why police / military / hollywood always uses PUMP shotguns. You can get more rounds out faster with a semi auto. The only reason i could see is cost. You can buy 2 possiably 3 870's for the price of 1 1187 or 1100. But that wouldent play a part for hollywood where everybody who uses them are big gangstas and such.

But just to add to it i have several shotguns, loaded, jut in case i happen to be awake IF something happens. a Remington 1187 , and 2 ithica SXS. No pumps for me thank you

[LSU12ga]

870 pump, pg, mounted under the bed. 4 rounds of 00 at the wait.


viper,

i think we like pump shotguns for several reasons.

1. you are correct, they are cheap.

2. there is less chance of somthing going wrong than there is with a semi.

3. it requires you to make some actual muscle movement and requires some motor function before you shoot it, so it requries you to be a bit more alert.

[viper5243]

lol Less of a chance of something going wrong? i have spent many a bird and deer seasons with guys from the hunting club and guys from the range and the only thing i have seen fail is pumps. IMO they one of the most worthless shotguns only to be beaten by the Single shot, gauge wise. I know people are going to say that well they must not clean them or dont take care of their guns for them to jam and not cycle another round. these are guys that have been hunting for 25-35+ years and know how to take care of their guns. There not cheap guns either, iv seen everything from mossbergs to remingtons to benelli (spelling) jam. on the other hand i have never had a major problem with my remington 1187 or my browning A5's. This is all just my opinion and i know people will disagree with it and i know this because thousands of pump shotguns are sold every year and people will have their favorites.

[mathman]

Any gun can fail, but a pump shotgun (particularly an 870 Police) is as reliable as they can get. Most problems that I have seen with pump guns is people 'short stroking' the action.

I am a big fan of Benellis, but I have seen them malfunction as well...along with 1100s, 11-87s, etc...

The only real advantage to a semi-auto IMO is the rate of fire and the fact that you can fire it one-handed (if necessary) and not have to work the action.

Just my $.02

[wolfdog45]

Mossberg 590 for me. I don't keep a round in the chamber but i do have the magazine loaded with 8 rounds "000" buckshot.
I have to pump it to get a round in the chamber. But the noise will tell the intruder you just messed with the wrong guy.

[P99fan]

Pump / Winchester 1300 Defender

[Nanuk]

I own an 870, but my bedside SG is a Savage 720 ( Browning A-5) that holds 7+1 00 buck. I am not into making scarey noises, I am into winning the fight. Don't get me wrong the 870 is in the safe loaded with slugs, and an AR beside her. We occassionally get black bears and mountain lions wandering through. For 2 legged vermin I prefer 00 buck up close (within 25 yards). Anything else and I have time to grab the appropriate firestick, I feel a SG is a specialized weapon.

[CountingCoup]

Mossberg 500 "persuader" 18.5 inch barrel

[Syntax360]

Mossberg 590 (50665) for me. 20" barrel, parkarized, front bead sight and speedfeed stock. I keep 4 in the tube and 4 Brenneke slugs in the stock.

My only problem is the hallways in my house are aweful narrow, so I think if I heard something go bump in the night, I would go to the alpha male in my stable of handguns for assistance.

But it sure is nice to know I have my Mossberg if I need it!

[Doggieman]

In narrow hallways seems you want to hold the stock under your arm for weapon retention and more turning room. You're pretty extended when you've got the thing at your shoulder.

[Lycanthrope]

Good reason to buy a pistol or register an AOW. I was in a bad situation once where I truly realized that having the right "tool" for the job would have been very comforting.

[LuckyATB]

Remington 870, leaning against the closet wall, empty but with a full butt-cuff for quick loading.

As for quotes like...
I "racked" the shotgun several times during the tests, and no bystanders lost control of their bowels.

The last thing I am going to do is rack a round in (to scare him)so he gets the opportunity to know where I am.

...I take into account that I live in an upper-class ruralish suburb surrounded by lots of the same. I believe that if someone DOES break in to my house, it's more likely to be some local kids getting themselves into trouble than a professional invader, and the shuck-shuck from upstairs will serve as a "less lethal" warning shot that'll make them realize this is more than a prank.

Or else it'll be some methed-up redneck...and in that case, I find it unlikely that hearing shuck-shuck echoing in a dark, unfamiliar house, while either tweaking out or jonesing for a fix, will do much to belie my position.

I'm not saying that I'm counting on the noise alone to protect myself, I'm just saying it's silly to disregard it's effectiveness just because it may not help in a worst-case scenario.

[Doggieman]

but if you scare 'im away you lose your opportunity for target practice.

A friend of mine says that if somebody has the balls to break into his home at night, its his civil duty to kill the bastard because if he doesn't the guy may break into an undefended home next time.

[Death from Afar]

Some shotguns -autos- will not operate unless held against the shoulder. I understand that that is why Benellis are not being used in Iraq as you cant use them as a door breaching gun....any one know about this?

[FirstFreedom]

On page 1 it was 79%/21%, and on page 5 it still is. I think we've found a consistent number. Funny how some think that the pump is terrible, and the semis rule, and some think that semis blow and pumps are the only possible choice. Neither of those extremes are true. Pumps are ever-so-slightly more reliable than a semi-auto, but modern semi-autos are very reliable when used with the ammo they are designed for, and kept clean. This is, after all, by definition, a house gun that will be clean and at room temperature, not used in some extreme environment. I think cops use pumps primarily because their departments don't have to blow as much of the budget to buy them. But they do have a slight edge in reliability as well. Mine is a semi-auto at the moment, but I've had pumps by the bedside as well. I'll probably never have to use it, but if I do, I want to be able to lay down a massive wall of lead in a very short time. And oh, pumps most certainly are not faster than a semi. They are VERY fast in capable hands, and only the smallest smidgeon slower than a semi, but slower nonetheless.

[FirstFreedom]

Some shotguns -autos- will not operate unless held against the shoulder. I understand that that is why Benellis are not being used in Iraq as you cant use them as a door breaching gun....any one know about this?

DFA, that may very well be true with inertia-driven guns like the Benelli autos, but I do not think that it is true at all with gas guns. I've seen videos of people shooting the Beretta extrema 2 for example, one-handed, out away from the body, with no problems.

[valsj]

im also thinking of buying a shotgun. i think its more reliable when when more than one people break into the house. I think my wife just need to aim it and fire unlike the handgun i bought. I prefer armscor again beacuse the parts is widely available in my country.

[John G]

Remington 1100, factory synthetic stock, slug barrel.

[longbaugh]

Benelli m1-90 holds 9rds surefire frontend 6rd shotgun card velcroed to the side of the receiver and 6 more cards in pouch on plate carrier.

[popsnoob]

Remington 870 synthetic with mag ext.
It was cheap and it has been 100% reliable.
-pops

[mad_dawg]

benelli super black eagle primary use is waterfowl but would be used if necessary

[miscusi]

I said pump with no shotgun in the house. only because the permit for longarms is taking a while, but when I do get it, its gonna be either the 870 express or the maverick 88.

I cant justify the cost of the semi autos for something that may or may not be used, and also I am a cheap bastard.

[Renfield]

Winchester Defender :)

[dogngun]

12ga sxs double, 18 1/4" barrel. Couldn't vote, sorry.
I have had autos and pumps before.

Mark

[Pops 1]

Maverick 88 18'' barrel 12 guage. Pops

[sm]

At the moment...
NEF Youth Model 20 ga single shot. :)

Then again, gimme a shotgun, pump, semi, SXS, O/U or single shot.

Software not Hardware .

Steve

[BobK]

870 here with a Knox Specops stock, pistol grip fore end, mag extention, side saddle, and Streamlight M3 light.

[akr]

I use a Mossberg 500. I have other shotguns, but it's the only one that I bought an 18 1/2" bbl. for. The others are 26" or longer.

[BLKLABMAN]

Death from Afar,
I have heard of this, but cannot relate. I own a SBE, SBE II, and a M2. With light target loads, along with 3" and 3.5 hunting loads all will fire from the hip and one handed just fine without any malfunctions. I know this because I was wanting to see if I could make them jam, under such circumstances. I could not.

mad dawg,
We think alike.
I keep a SA 1911 on my side, along with the 24" SBE loaded with 3.5 1550fps BB's. They are my goose loads, but should serve well if ever needed.

[Katrina Guy]

Hello for starters, just registered here today.
I'm considering a WInchester Defender, a model 1300 I beleive it's called, partically based this choice on these forums, comparing to the Mossberg equivelent.
Now then, my big question is this, how functional is any riot gun but especially the Winchester Defender with a pistol grip? Seems like one would easily end up with a shotgun receiver in one's face due to the recoil, unless shooting from the hip which looks cool in movies but doubt in reality under heavy stress one would actually hit target.
I ask this question as I like the idea of a very mobile and compact shotgun, i.e. no stock on the back end.
Thanks for listening and hope ya'll give me some viable feedback.
Katrina Guy (from New Orleans)

[Katrina Guy]

Hello for starters, just registered here today.
I'm considering a WInchester Defender, a model 1300 I beleive it's called, partically based this choice on these forums, comparing to the Mossberg equivelent.
Now then, my big question is this, how functional is any riot gun but especially the Winchester Defender with a pistol grip? Seems like one would easily end up with a shotgun receiver in one's face due to the recoil, unless shooting from the hip which looks cool in movies but doubt in reality under heavy stress one would actually hit target.
I ask this question as I like the idea of a very mobile and compact shotgun, i.e. no stock on the back end.
Thanks for listening and hope ya'll give me some viable feedback.
Katrina Guy (from New Orleans)

[Lycanthrope]

Welcome.

I find a shotgun with a short barrel and full stock to be very fast save for the most confined spaces. I also find the full stocked guns to be faster beyond 5 yards. Under that, and the riot gun has it's place. Felt recoil isn't that bad because you aren't sighting it as much as you're just pointing at that range. You won't have it up by your face in most instances.

Have you considered a folding stock?

[Katrina Guy]

No I hadn't considered a folding stock.
I have noticed on the Winchester website that they do offer a Defender model with both full stock and the pistol grip. Perhaps that is what I'll do, decide after a shoot a box of shells.
Not sure what these Defenders go for at a sporting goods/dept. store, guess I'll call around this coming week.
Glad to hear that the recall is doable in the pistol grip version.
thanks
ps-doubt if 12 guage 3" magnums are needed huh?

[8's trigger hits]

Mosberg 500

[ATW525]

Maverick 88. I'd only use a pump for HD because there's a little one to worry about. With a pump I can keep it secured with an empty chamber and full tube in a rack on the wall with a lock behind the pump so the action can't worked until it's unlocked.

[Lycanthrope]

ps-doubt if 12 guage 3" magnums are needed huh?



Not really. I opt for an extra round by using the 2 3/4" magnums. Get yourself a good sidesaddle shell holder and you're good to go.

[kansas45]

I voted semi-auto. Actually I use both but I like my Winchester 1400 the best.

[Odd-Job]

Mossberg mod.500 with Knoxx ind.stock.

[revinkevin]

another vote for pump!
Winchester 1300, 22" barrel rifle sights. loaded with slugs :)

[niceman_44]

I use a Remington 1100 Competition Master for "everything"....home defense included. Bring 'em on!!! :)

[Lycanthrope]

I use a Remington 1100 Competition Master for "everything"....home defense included. Bring 'em on!!!

That's my home defense shotty as well. Smooth and fast.

[tacticalcity]

I live in California, where a pistol grip stock on a semi-auto shotgun is illegal. So I use a Remington 870 with a Knoxx SpecOps stock. While I like the looks of the SpeedFeed stocks better, the Knoxx SpecOps eliminates recoil, and adjusts to fit every shooter. So I ran with it, and I dig it. I also dig the fact that you can get a SureFire weapon light made for the Remington 870. They look really cool, and there are no cords to get tangles up when racking it. Accessory wise, the Remington 870 and the Mossberg 500 seem to be your best options. But the key is to get the right accessories. Otherwise you're just adding weight and getting nothing back.

If Knoxx or SureFire are listing, I accept bribes in the form of free product, you guys are the best ;)

[Tronny]

pump. you won't loose control and unload everything so easily.
And the "clack clack" sound will in my mind stop most people. was said it wouldnt, but those people weren't breaking in and knew the sound wasn't a shotgun being aimed at THEM

[paulweir]

Another pump, Mossberg 590 with a 500 backup

[cplane]

I have an extended mag Winchester 20" barrel mod 1300 pump. I would love to have an auto, But like someone said, It is twice the price!

[Austin HiPowers]

Mossberg 500

[viper5243]

Just wondering but why would you want the "clack Clack"? To Scare them? Personally i dont want anybody that breaks into my house to be scared, i want them lieing on the groung with a bunch of tiny holes in them, and that "clack Clack" just give them more to to find out where you are and shoot back. Just my two cents

[Gixerman1000]

Benelli M4 11707

[p230]

FN Police pump for me. I don't have anything against autos I just got a nice deal on this one before USRA quit making them. The sights are a plus so is the D&T, may add a red dot or something later.

http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/sg_police.htm

p230

[Ruger4570]

Viper, you are right, but if they heard anything it would be the Ka-chunk of my semi auto..Just before the Boom. Besides, I can use it even if I were shot in the arm,, not so with a pump..I really doubt the bad guys are going to release the contents of their bowels into their pants at the sound of your pump,, more than likely, they will shoot in the direction of the sound

[Quickdraw Limpsalot]

Two pumps, both from Mossberg... a Maverick 88 and Mossberg 835.

[Taurus_9mm]

Semi-Auto Winchester 1400. :)

[ptalar]

I have a Benelli M1 Super 90 Tactical (18.5 inch and 8 shot) and Winchester Defender Model 1300 (18.5 inch and 8 shot). The best of both worlds.

PT

[Tmblweed]

I have a Rem. 870 HD that is currently being coated for rust protection . I plan to pick up a semi-auto within the next few days also. Right now I am leaning toward a Mossberg 930 SPX. Anyway, just thought I would do this and now don't hafta decide between the two. One at each end of the house will do fine. ( I had the M1 Super 90, sold it to gather funds for my motorcycle. Had the Rem marine Magnum, traded it for body work on my Xterra...would be great if I still had them, but these two will do just fine ) )

[johnwilliamson062]

500 marinecote persuader

[dabigguns357]

I now have 2 mossberg 500 12 gauges one fitted with my rifled slug barrel and a new to me 18 1/2 inch i/c barrel thats outfitted with a tactical light for the night time.My wife even has her mossberg pump 410 by her side of the bed.

I went pump because they are cheaper to buy.

[Wishoot]

I use a Wingmaster, but also have a nice Winchester SX2 and an OU just in case.

A number of handguns supplement the shotguns nicely.

[MrPink]

Remington 870 Police Magnum, factory SBS with 14" bbl. Federal 00 buck, reduced recoil. 13" LOP stock, Surefire with X300.

[BigPapa4147]

Mossberg 590

[ms357sig]

Mossberg SPX 930 8+1 w 18" barrel and an LPA Ghost Ring works for me. Everytime I take it to the range people are in awe to see me shoot that thing. Some say that the auto's are unreliable. I haven't had a misfeed yet. As far as the pump goes.... If an itruder is in your house and you have a house over 2700 sq feet they may not hear the pump and if they do hear the pump and they are armed it gives them the chance of pulling out. Id rather have them not see or hear me coming. :D

[glove]

Pump here maverick 88, 7 + 1 20" barrel.
Dave

[SilentHitz]

Pump, Colt 12 ga...used to be Ithica featherlight, that one's at my brother's now.

Bad pics...took 2 and the batteries croaked.:o
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p27/SilentHitz/2009_1213pumpColt0004.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p27/SilentHitz/2009_1213pumpColt0006.jpg