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#18indycolts
January 22, 2006, 08:27 AM
As a medic in indy I've only been shot at twice in 5 yrs. Fri. night we get called for a person shot, stage in the area and wait for PD. Well I guess we didn't stage far enough (we were 2 blocks away). I shut off the lights and wait for PD to clear us in when all of a sudden someone starts banging on the window. She proceeds to tell me that her brother is shot and for us to help him. I told her to relax and go back home, I really didn't want to draw any attention my way. So, I hear that PD marked on scene and I think it shouldn't be but a few minutes. 10 min. go by before we're cleared (turned out PD was getting conflicting stories and that the family wasn't cooperating. And there might have been multiple guns. So, PD had every right to do what they did before they deemed the scene safe. Finally we get there and the kid is dead, we found 8 entry wounds including 2 to the neck. So I call him, PD already knew and we mark back in service with a disregard from 10-0. My partner turns the corner and we see flashes directly at us and i hear the thump, thump hitting the ambulance. I felt like i was in iraq, heart pounding, adrenaline pumping. My partner smashes the pedal to get us out of there, and get on the radio. PD had heard the shots and were already there before I got on the radio. We leave the scene with a police escort to a nearby strip mall to start my paperwork. I think every LEO in indy showed up, it seemed like it. The 2 idiots that shot at us were takin in, and I found out shortly after that they were friends of the family that were mad because we didn't try and save the kid that was shot. Trust me, I would be upset also...but its the nature of my business, because I am not going into a dangerous situation where I could possibly die and not make it back to my family. Now my weekend is ruined, can't even enjoy the football games on today because I'm constantly telling myself that I save lives for a living, and here some jackhole tries taking my and my partner's life. :mad:

Glock 31
January 22, 2006, 08:46 AM
Man that sucks having to deal with stuff like that. I would say some encouraging words of hope, but unfortunately with the generation of kids and young adults these days, I can't. If it were me I would just say screw people like that let them kill each other off and hopefully only the good people will be left. But I guess that is the view of a cynic. I have a hard time imagining that in the next generation or two, there will be anyone from the 20 to 30 yearold range who will give a crap enough to actually put the dedication and effort into becoming a paramedic, or a cop or a doctor for that matter. I hope your job gets better man but I would really suggest moving to a smaller town. I wouldn't even consider touring LA or New York or most other big cities as a vacation, let alone live there. But i'm a small town guy, so I guess i'm kind of biased.

Stay safe man.:cool:

#18indycolts
January 22, 2006, 09:13 AM
You have no idea how much I appreciate that, really. Its not that I'm second guessing my career, i'm not. I wouldn't do anything else. But what gets me is the ones that shot at me would NOT hesitate to call 911 if they needed it, how funny would that be? I show up and they gotta think if I'm gonna do everything I can. Will I? I don't know. Bottom line, you try and take my life and you better not need my help in the future. Because that bridge just went up in flames.

GUNSMOKE45441
January 22, 2006, 09:36 AM
Glad to hear you're safe! Even in our rural podunk area there are names and addresses that are red flagged, no entry until LE arrives.
Thanks for your dedication.

NDTerminator
January 22, 2006, 09:38 AM
I look at it this way, I expect every call to go to hell, that way I'm not surprised when they do.

I'm not cynical (OK, maybe to a certain degree) just experienced...

depicts
January 22, 2006, 12:39 PM
Just think, these two who shot at you wouldn't have the decency to tell the police what they knew about the original shooting either I'll bet. These punks witness this violence every day, and no one has the courage to make a stand and help the police send the bad guys to jail.

I can't understand it. Well I guess I can, when you know the whole community is the same way, and someone will seek revenge for "ratting" them out. This kind of violence will only stop when the majority of people work together to make their communities safe.

I commend you for your dedication. I also Want you to know we alll want you to go home to your family at night. There are far too few guys and gals like you around, and far too many gangbangers and punks.

Here in Boston the violence is crazy. Senseless violence, nevermind someone with a grudge. People just want to show how tough they are by "capping" someone, and it makes no difference who it is. Our mayor wants people to take personal responsability for public safety, but won't issue handgun permits to legal citizens.

I'm drifting here...but my point is...thank you. Keep your head down and your courage up. Also think about the advice to get to a smaller town. There are some real nice places in this country that need good medics, and the expected life span can be quite good.

Capt Charlie
January 22, 2006, 01:17 PM
Just think, these two who shot at you wouldn't have the decency to tell the police what they knew about the original shooting either I'll bet. These punks witness this violence every day, and no one has the courage to make a stand and help the police send the bad guys to jail.
We had (another) shooting last night. Guy took a .38 spl. in the calf over dope. All his buddies were there saying we don't care about their neighborhood, but when asked, nobody saw nothin' :mad: .

To make it worse, the "victim" was un-cooperative as well :mad: .

We caught the shooter anyhow, less than 3 hours later. :cool: :D .

If these guys don't care, I'm not going to loose any sleep either.

Phxdog
January 22, 2006, 01:31 PM
I don't have the stones to do what you people in harm's way do. I sure am grateful that you do.

Do you guys wear body armor? Could you? Has it come to that?

droemt
January 22, 2006, 01:55 PM
here in lubbock, tx the medics can wear vests but i think it has to be purchased from personal funds. i work in an er in lubbock and have witnessed and heard about many gun threats toward our staff but have never had an actual shooting. i never thought i would hear the same threats working in the hospital setting as opposed to the field setting but i guess i was wrong.

pax
January 22, 2006, 01:59 PM
indy ~

Thanks for what you do. Glad you're safe!

pax

Dwight55
January 22, 2006, 04:54 PM
To every EMT, every fireman, every squad nurse and especially you, Indycolt, . . . thanks, guys and gals. You do a job I could not do, . . . because I'm just dumb enough and hot headed enough (used to be any way:D :D ) that I'd want to strangle them with my stethoscope, . . . and that just probably wouldn't work too well.

Keep your head down, . . . be safe, . . . glad you are on the job(s).

May God bless,
Dwight

Daniel BOON
January 22, 2006, 05:14 PM
if your life is in imminant danger, I would think you could shoot back;
at the moment, pittsburg 24, denver 3........
thank you for your service, you are very much appreciated.
Duty Honor Country

Sir William
January 22, 2006, 08:12 PM
I was shot at (sniped) in Miami in 1992. Our marked unit was targeted. I only became angry because I had to clean up all the broken glass inside the unit. You become stoic after awhile. Glad you survived.

JJB2
January 22, 2006, 08:57 PM
it's a real shame of the U.S.A. that we have such barbaric pri(ks in our cities.. i'm so glad i live in a small iowa town.. you couldn't get me to live in ANY major U.S. city... you guys really do in live in a war zone there...


NOW IS ABSOLUTELY THE WRONG TIME TO TRY AND DISARM ME.............

xrageofangelsx
January 22, 2006, 09:25 PM
I am sorry to hear about your experiences there in the great state of Indiana. I miss it, but there are parts of Indianapolis I do not miss. If you ever consider relocating to Columbus, Indiana, I think you will be well pleased. Very gun friendly, small city (30k+) and plenty of ER runs to make. Cost of living is high, but for a reason. It is a nice place to live. It's maybe 40 miles south of Indy directly on 1-65 (it intersects Northern Columbus). Peace be with you!

IndianaDean
January 22, 2006, 09:44 PM
Glad you're ok. I'm in Indy also. Where did this happen?

sjstill
January 22, 2006, 10:17 PM
Glad to hear you're OK.

Stinks to hear crap like that happening here in Indy. Makes me glad I carry....

DerDer
January 23, 2006, 12:26 AM
I've been shot at multiple times and I can tell you that it is no fun at all. I believe that sometimes circumstances present themselves to where you must discharge your firearm. I also in believe in divine providence. May your journey be a safe voyage.

springmom
January 23, 2006, 02:22 AM
....and because they are jerks who can only express themselves by pulling a trigger. More chlorine needed at this end of the gene pool, please! :barf:

Glad you're safe. Stay that way.

Springmom

rezmedic54
January 23, 2006, 09:02 AM
Indy I know what you mean as I can say been there done that. As a retired Paramedic of 20 yrs. I been shot once and stabbed 3 times all in the line of duty. So I know how you feel. All I can say is that we are a weird breed of folks as every time we get the call we go. Glad they missed so stay low and watch your back.If I hadn't messed my back up I'd still be doing it. It was just I loved it that much sure do miss the lights and sirens. Kurt, Be Safe Out There

#18indycolts
January 23, 2006, 09:25 AM
thanx all for the kind words. Hey Dean, i wish i could tell ya where it happened but lets just say it didn't happen in an area where you'd expect that sort of thing. Also I just got off the phone with the bat. chief and they recovered 3 9mm bullets from the side of the bus that didn't penetrate thru and 2 9mm bullets that went thru the inside and stuck inside the narc cabinet. If we had a patient one of us would have been in the back and could have gotten hit. thanx god nobody was back there. Also, I'll try and find out what kind of rounds they were.

KC135
January 23, 2006, 08:06 PM
Safe scene is the name of the game. You did just as you were trained. Good Job. Stay safe and go home to your family.

Just the opinion of a very lod EMT.:)

#18indycolts
January 25, 2006, 10:46 PM
I feel like I have family here.:D

Pharley
January 25, 2006, 11:10 PM
EMS personnel deserve a lot more credit than will ever be given.
A lot of times Dipsatch does not get accurate information, as the caller is vague or not telling the entire scenario, and our EMS personnel sometimes walk into a cluster. Have busted in several doors getting to our medics who have responded to a call, and end up inside fighting with someone cracked up or on meth, or someone intoxicated. I don't know what kind of "officer safety" skills they teach you, but it is especially important since you have a lot lees tools to work with than LEOs.

xrageofangelsx
January 25, 2006, 11:34 PM
You do have family here!

281 Quad Cam
January 25, 2006, 11:42 PM
I'm in EMT school right now... Encouraging... :o
It's worth it, right?

JohnLizCas
January 26, 2006, 09:26 AM
As an EMT in NJ, we have been trained in scene safety. If the police don't clear the crime scene, we stay where we are told. Although I am a gun owner, NJ"s carry laws (very prohibitive) do not allow us to carry, so we really have no choice. Having been a medic in VN, I only had my safety to worry about and took the risks. In civilian life, things are a lot different with a crew to worry about too. John

Hollywood D
January 27, 2006, 07:47 PM
i've never been shot at on a call before but there have been times I thought we might be ambushed.

Unfortunately, EMS in some areas are having to wear vests because they get shot at.

Ares45
January 28, 2006, 01:19 PM
You guys might have to excuse me but this really ****** me off! I'm putting myself in an EMT's shoes for a second wondering what makes me want to rush in there and do my job after getting shot at last week. Couldn't the idiots at least be smart enough to realize that their behavior is exactly what keeps the good guys sitting idle on the sidelines. Bunch of handout loving morons if you ask me. All I can say is that you must have a better sense of serving your fellow man or sense of duty than I do. I'm a good samaritan and all and I'm usually the first to stop and offer assistance if I can help but I've got a serious problem with helping people who try to kill me. This reminds me of watching those ungrateful SOBs in N.O. shooting at rescue helicopters. One shot thru the floorboard and I'd be burning fuel over the everglades. **** on them.

Some people have no respect or understanding of others putting their lives on the line to save someone else's sorry butt. Hell, the Palestinian's don't even shoot at ambulances. I just don't get it. At this rate we're gonna need up-armored meat wagons before the decade is out. God help us all.

Glock 31
January 29, 2006, 03:04 AM
Unfortunately I think God's position is he gave us life, he owes us nothing more. We're on our own from here on. As for morons who can't realize that shooting at good guys is counter productive, I don't expect them to know their left from their right, much less right from wrong. Let them burn. In this world or the next.:cool:

gddyup
January 29, 2006, 07:17 PM
Scene safety is paramount regardless of the call we are on. PERIOD!

Code 75, Code 10, behavorial problem..... we stage and sit tight until PD confirms that the scene is safe. PD gets paid to deal with bullets, I don't. I get paid to deal with what is wrong on scene, not to take bullets. Due to circumstances just like Colt has mentioned in this thread, response simply comes down to this where I work :

Your emergency is NOT my emergency. Myself and my team are #1. WE come first. When the scene is safe, then we'll help you with your emergency. It may sound ****ty, but that's the way it is. The state and the department put a lot of time, effort, and money into my training, and that of my team, to have it taken away by someone who could give a 5hit less for it. We get paid to save lives and risk our own many times to do it.

Somewhat off topic but the same general ideals apply. I can't count the number of times I have been accused, and my team been accused, of being RACISTS on EMS calls. I didn't get into this buisness to save ONLY WHITE PEOPLE! I got into this buisness to try and help EVERYONE! THAT'S what I agreed to when I signed off on my license. If you don't try and help me help you, then things aren't going to go as planned! If you are not honest with me... if you don't answer my questions... if you try and circumvent every avenue of approach by me to your current problem... I CAN'T HELP YOU! That's not being RACIST! If you can't help me help you then that's YOUR issue! NOT mine.

Being shot at by friends or family members because you couldn't help is a society issue that goes back to the "help me help you" ideal. The longer it takes the PD to get a handle on the situation, the longer it takes PD to call "scene secure" and have EMS come in from staging. BE honest and help the PD secure the scene and you might just save a life.

BS like this is the reason why many services are going to body-armor to try and protect the people who are trying to help you. I wouldn't be surprised to see it mentioned in the near future in my neck of the woods....

rezmedic54
January 30, 2006, 01:33 AM
Like I stated earlier been shot and stabbed while on the job every time was after PD called the scene safe. I was stabbed in the back of my ride because PD missed the knife when they frisked him and also the 2 times they missed the ice pick and the Bowie Knife. The gun shot was after the scene was called OK to come in while we where working the first gun shot victim a rival gang came back and I guess figured they would make sure that they finished the job. It took a while to get over those but I did and developed the same attitude that most people get after a while and that is it ain't my problem and I really don't care I'll do my job and thats all, But most of us hard asses still feel it when it's a kid and most of us can recall every time we worked one. They probably will stay with me till they put me in the ground. The big problem was that kids can't help what happens for the most part so they get hurt or die from SMS or SDS . Stupid Mother syndrome or Stupid Dad Syndrome. Been told to write a book and my answer is I would but No body would believe any of it was real. You guys that still work the streets are the best. So Be Safe Out There. Kurt Pietrzak ( Retired C.E.P. )

IndianaDean
January 30, 2006, 02:27 AM
Well I'm glad you're ok. As to where it happened, that's exactly the reason I carry all the time. Even if I'm going to visit the folks in Noblesville or goig to somplace like Carmel.

xrageofangelsx
January 30, 2006, 08:44 AM
Gotta love the fact that you can still open carry in Indiana.

#18indycolts
January 30, 2006, 11:36 PM
fellow emt's and medics:thanx!

IndianaDean
February 1, 2006, 12:37 AM
Open carry may technically be legal in Indiana, but I sure ain't gonna do it. At least not in the city.

#18indycolts
February 1, 2006, 01:26 AM
you and me both Dean. "what they don't know can't hurt 'em"....that doesn't apply to guns, does it?:D

IndianaDean
February 1, 2006, 03:27 AM
No, it does not. Why let the bad guy see you have it, so he can lie in ambush?

xrageofangelsx
February 1, 2006, 07:59 AM
I don't open carry in Indianapolis, but I do when I am at home in Columbus. Never been hassled, never been harassed.

The only question I've been asked has been, "is that real?"

chadwick76
March 2, 2009, 08:25 PM
hey indy 18, i keep up on your threads because i also live in naptown. I am currently applying to 3 fire depts. here in town. i always wonder how often tht sort of thing happens to our 1st responders. well it does not deter me, and i am very glad to hear a great outcome! you guys and your jobs are very needed and appreciated by MOST of us!

troy_mclure
March 2, 2009, 08:49 PM
sounds like you need a turret and saw mounted on your ride! lol

vox rationis
March 2, 2009, 09:11 PM
I'm glad that you are safe. Shooting at EMS personnel ought to be seen as serious an infraction as shooting at LEO's (not that shooting at anyone isn't, but I hope you get my point)! From my perspective as a physician, I unequivocally say that you guys and gals are under appreciated by the general public. You guys are the quiet professionals on the "front lines", just like LEO's and Firefighters, that do the initial hard work and heavy lifting, keeping us safe out there in the wild urban jungle. Godspeed out there.

rantingredneck
March 2, 2009, 09:15 PM
Indy,

I'll chime in with another "THANK YOU" from someone who's been for a ride or two in an ambulance (and air ambulance). This of course is extended to all the EMT's here and LEO's as well.

pax
March 2, 2009, 09:32 PM
Well, guys -- this thread is from 2006.

I, too, am glad Indy's okay, but I'm closing this as the necro-thread it is.

pax