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LTC_Para
January 17, 2006, 08:22 AM
hello all,

has anyone gone wild boar hunting? i want to try and make it a trip during spring break with some of my army buddies. one of my buddys has a spot in georgia that him and his dad hunts on and he says since no one else really hunts on that property they average 400-500 lbs.

i have a 308 and plan to buy a 762x54R m44 which i know should do the job, i also have a para ltc .45 acp as a sidearm, will the .45 even do anything? i just want a backup in case my primary fails. what kind of ammo would you suggest in the rifles/handgun? i realize their skin is very tough, so big game rounds with delayed expansion?

thanks

*anyone else know good spots, prices, license or other fees?

we are just college students so nothing too pricey.

pipoman
January 17, 2006, 10:01 AM
My step sons grandpa was charged by a 400+ pound hog while scouting for spring turkeys. He normally scouts armed only with a camera. This day he decided to take his .357 pistol to target shoot after his scout trip. He is not Matt Dillon and by the time he drew his pistol the hog was within 15 feet. 1 well placed shot folded the hog right in front of him.

The hogs head is now hanging over his basement bar and he has a great story to go along with it.:) (this was a Kansas Hog)

critter44
January 17, 2006, 10:10 AM
As a backup, leave the .45 acp at home. It WILL kill a hog with a good (meaning well-placed shot), but if it is to be used as a backup when things go south, you want something with more horsepower AND penetration.

For THOSE applications, I'd take a .44 mag or a heavy Ruger load in .45 Colt. What you want in those 'sticky' situations is a stomp and stop load.

Good luck. Hogs are fun!

catusbill
January 17, 2006, 11:36 AM
Was deer hunting up a tree near a creek bank when a large saul came a rooting. Dropped her with my .308 BAR.... Always wanted a wild hog for the freezer. In twenty minutes big daddy black boar cam looking for sweet thing and I dropped him with one between the eyes. Had to get front end loader to carry them out of the swamp. Net weight over 300 lbs. of pork in the freezer. Current taken care of off spring by feeding the three little pigs with corn. Hope they mate next year before I need meat for the freezer.

Jack O'Conner
January 17, 2006, 12:16 PM
Wild boar can be dropped with any good deer cartridge using stout bullets and good shot placement into the chest. But they often bounce back to their feet and run. To some this would be considered charging.

You can pack a revolver if you choose. But most hunters can easily fire their rifle two or three times while another is still unholstering his handgun. Something to consider when the job must be done expediantly.

My boar-elk-moose rifle is a Savage .308 with 180 grain soft tip ammo. It gets the job done for me!
Jack

LTC_Para
January 17, 2006, 12:25 PM
yea i cant wait until the trip, hopefully everything works out and we can go there for sure.

all i have a .45 acp, what kinda rounds would be good to use for it? i want something as a backup

thanks for all the help!

zeisloft
January 17, 2006, 02:18 PM
I have had good results from 230gn TC (truncated cone) lead bullets moving at or around 1000fps.
~z

Harley Quinn
January 17, 2006, 05:05 PM
being a good hog gun.

I have to say, it is under certain conditions like stake the Boar and shoot him.

If you want to do yourself a favor and bring home some pork use a rifle.
A good 30-30 or 35 cal will do it if not over 100 yds. If further get a bigger one as in 308 or 30-06.

Been many threads on this one topic. Funny really.

HQ

Dirty_Harry
January 17, 2006, 05:31 PM
Big bore lever action marlins like my .450 are some of the best hog guns. Either of your rifles would be fine for boar, the 7.62-54mm is the ballistic equivalent to a .30-06 so bout the same as the .308. Either would be fine.

To be perfectly honest I doubt that you would even need a backup gun for a boar, just bring a rifle that you are comfortable with shooting and have iron sight available.

The .45 acp, good stopping power, low penetration, the 9mm actually has better penetration.

whiskey
January 17, 2006, 10:03 PM
Any centerfire gun will take hogs. A well placed .22 will do the job also, but it is not what I recommend. I carry a .45 as back up while hog hunting and it will do the job. Some folks have read too many gun rags about how mean wild boars are. They are tough and will run off and much more difficult to track than well shot deer. You need to make a good shot. Head is best, but not from the front unless you have a large caliber rifle or magnum handgun. A side head shot will end the day. A shot in the neck with a centerfire will take the pig well also.

Take a look over at http://www.texasboars.com and read up on the hogs anatomy.

Use the .308 and carry the .45 for back up.

solvability
January 17, 2006, 10:36 PM
First time I went boar hunting I carried my 45acp with ball ammo - my 30-06 did all the hog killing that I needed. Since then I have switched to a Ruger Redhawk in 45 Long Colt with heavy bullets and max loads - hogs can really take some killing, no kidding. Penetration is a key point on any load rifle or pistol on hogs.

Boarhunter
January 18, 2006, 11:20 AM
Solvability is right. I have a good bit of experience killing large Russian boars in the hills of Tennessee, and it can take a good bit to kill them. And if you do not kill them right off, they can be foul critters to deal with....

Heavy bullets/heavy loads/deep penetration is the key. 44 magnum or heavy 45 colt (Ruger loads) are much better than the 45 acp. Better yet would be the 45/70 out of a 7 1/2 Magnum Research (works very, very well).

The first time I went hog hunting, I used (actually, tried to use) a hot .44 special hollow point to put down an injured hog; three shots at point-blank range to the shoulder/neck. Boy, was that a mistake. None of the three bullets penetrated the thick gristle plate that covers the neck and shoulder. The bases of the bullets were all visible at the point of entry.... That is when I came to appreciate the tough hide of the hog and the critical need for penetration.

In another incident, a shooter hit a hog 9 good times with stout .44 magnum loads (but they were lightweight hollow points), and the hog died at the shooter's feet at the end of a charge. The shooter was so shaken that he had troubles reloading his Smith after the experience (and he was a federal law enforcement officer). Hogs can be "impressive." Which is why I prefer hunting them to most anything else around here.

I have no doubt that hogs have been killed with a 22, but I do not recommend using it on a wild loose hog. And if you do, share your experiences with the rest of us...my guess is that it would make for an excellent story.

Although I personally prefer to hunt hogs with a big-bore handgun, most any of the standard deer rifles will work well....just remember that penetration is the key.

Boarhunter

Lummox
January 18, 2006, 11:48 AM
I have seen a lot of customers that are purchasing the Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf uppers for hog hunts. The gun has phenominal ballistics and power. There is a lot of information about the platform on my website www.50beowulf.com

It isnt hard to harvest a Hog with a 400gr Jacketed Soft Point going at 1900fps. There is also reloading data for the PowerBelt 530gr Steel Tip Dangerous Game bullets.

On the site, in the hunting section, you can find some photos of a 2000+ lb Bull Moose in Alaska that was harvested with a Beowulf as well as other game.

In my opinion, if you want a semi-automatic rifle that is a great brush gun, reliable, easy to operate, maintain... go with a .50 Beowulf. Alexander Arms also offers 4-round magazines to adhere to all hunting mag capacity laws.

Harley Quinn
January 18, 2006, 01:16 PM
We are headed for the last days on earth, that new 50 cal is something:D

It sounds like the Army has a replacement for that puny .223...Can it be true:rolleyes:
All you need is the upper???:cool: Thanks for the information and the sites.:)
I put that website in my favorites. Thanks again
hq

Lummox
January 18, 2006, 01:19 PM
That is the best thing about the platform, ALL you need is the upper, it even uses most standard AR15 magazines, the rounds single stack in a magazine giving you a 10-round .50 Beowulf capacity with 30-round .223 magazines.

The manufacturer is actually been talking to me about possibly producing a dedicated Hog- Hunting model.

Harley Quinn
January 18, 2006, 01:25 PM
Lummox said:
The manufacturer is actually been talking to me about possibly producing a dedicated Hog- Hunting model.

I would have to get one of those, are they going to legal in the state of CA.:confused:

HQ

john in jax
January 18, 2006, 02:16 PM
From one .308 shooter to another . . . go and get some Federal "vital shok" 180grn nosler partition bullet for those big hogs. Almost any bullet type/configuration will work on deer, but wild hogs seem to be almost armor plated - you need penetration!

I also carry a .45acp as a "back-up" gun when hunting mainly so I can have both hands free in case I have to track a wounded animal into the very thick woods/swamps around here. I hope I never have to use it against a charging animal, but I figure it would do more damage than my fists.

LTC_Para
January 18, 2006, 02:45 PM
what about AP bullets?

Boarhunter
January 18, 2006, 03:38 PM
Lummox,

I have always thought that Marlin's .45/70 stainless Guide gun was a close to perfection as you could get in a pure hog gun, but that 50 cal of yours may...may...give it a run for its money! Impressive.

Boarhunter

Holman
January 18, 2006, 05:38 PM
The 308 you have will get the job done when it comes to hunting wild hogs, the 45 as a backup ???????????? it is better than having nothing, but would not be my gun of choice as a backup. At minimum a 357 magnum with a heavy penetration load. 44 magnum would be my choice for a backup, and a 45-70 rifle would be my hunting rifle. I am not saying that your 45 will not do, just saying that it would not be my choice for a backup. A backup gun should have more than a enough power to penetrate the thick skin of a wild hog and stop him just my two cents. :)

Boarhunter
January 18, 2006, 05:48 PM
Folks,

Out of curiousity for your thoughts on the matter...

Would your analysis be different depending upon whether the handgun were the primary weapon for hunting hogs as opposed to backing up a long-gun of appropriate caliber?

My personal input is that it should make no difference with respect to caliber (perhaps a longer barrel would be more appropriate for a primary weapon...and better sights perhaps...but as to caliber, the same analysis would apply). Any opinions?

Boarhunter

Holman
January 18, 2006, 06:06 PM
Should the backup gun have the capabilities to be a primary hog hunting gun?

Ac1d0v3r1d3
January 18, 2006, 06:28 PM
i'd just go with the hottest FMJ i could find. hopefully you'll beable to stick with your .308 tho

Mannlicher
January 18, 2006, 07:32 PM
I will be back at the hunt club in South Georgia next month. I am taking a Savage 170 (pump 30-30) for hunting in the swamp or heavy pine cover. For stand hunting over a feed plot, I am taking one of my Mannlicher-Schoenauer carbines, chambered in 8x56 MS. I use my handloads in both rifles.
I have never had any problem killing hogs with a 30-30 or .44 Mag lever gun.

LTC_Para
January 19, 2006, 06:59 AM
i got the m44 last night, so i will take that on the trip, not bad shape at all 85 out the door :)

cleaned all the gunk out and it was a very light coat on it, very impressed i am considering making it into....

http://makarov.com/mosmount/M44-03MkII.JPG

762x54R should be plenty for those boars, i cant wait

Boarhunter
January 19, 2006, 09:23 AM
Should the backup gun have the capabilities to be a primary hog hunting gun?

Holman,

That is almost what I am getting at by my inquiry.

For example, if I were using a handgun as a primary Russian hog-killin' machine, I would want something in the heavy .44 mag or better range with a bullet that would penetrate an oak tree (although I am tempted to try a .357 for the added excitement...). But if the handgun were backing up a decent long gun (e.g., a Marlin .45/70, etc.), would a .45 acp be acceptable...after all, it is not likely to leave the holster? Frankly, I personally would prefer a .44 mag as a backup, but I can see where others might feel perfectly content with something less.

Boarhunter

FirstFreedom
January 19, 2006, 11:05 AM
Lummox & others. Not only will a .50 beowulf do the job well on hogs, speaking of backup guns, here's your backup in the same caliber:

http://www.gunblast.com/BFR-50Beowulf.htm

Seems like a winning combo to me. (But it's SA, not DA).

armedtotheteeth
January 19, 2006, 08:39 PM
I was hunting hogs here in Tx and tried to sneak up on a bunch of fat ones. Within 30 Carbine range, I had it one my back. I heard some little piglets to my left . and then i heard a very angry Sow to my right, Running at me out of the weeds. I grabbed my 45 auto and shoot her right tween the eyes at a range of about 36 INCHES!. The bullet kinda peeled the skin off her head and dropped her head down. She was promply up and after me before the slide on my 45 closed. So i did what any self respecting gun addict would do and shot a few more times at a range of about 36 inches. Well, after i peeled all the skin off the top of her head and put out one eye and shot an ear off, she decided it was a bad idea to try to eat me. I was glad, cause the magazine on my 45 was empty. 45 no worky for pigs! Especially if they are charging you. Im looking for a 50 BMG handgun.

Harley Quinn
January 19, 2006, 08:58 PM
Did you deprive those piglets of a mother?:eek:

HQ

sirlonewolf
January 19, 2006, 11:12 PM
Gee I dont know what all the fuss is about with these wild boars. Yeah I know they are tough. I took one last weekend with my Python. I hardly ever carry a back up gun with me while hog hunting. I have taken several of them with one shot from my bow. Sometimes we even do it hand to hand with a knife

Johnny Guest
January 19, 2006, 11:37 PM
If you already own a .308, why would you want a M-N M44 for hogs? Don't get me wrong - - Purchase of a classic military rifle is it's own justification. There's a whole spectrum of good hunting loads for the .308. For close range hog hunting, I'd think the Remington 180 gr. RN Express Load would be all you'd need, if you stick with the .30 caliber. Now, if you wanted to go UP in size, I could understand that. My last hog was taken with a .35 Whelen, and it didn't kill him a bit too dead. :D I intend my next hog to fall to a .45-70 I already own.

The M44 is a pretty handy length carbine, to be sure, but the safety is almost impossible to manipulate quickly, compared to a .308 sporting rifle. As stated, the 7.62 x 54 Russian is essentially similar to the .30'06, but it is superior to the .308 only at l-o-o-n-g range.

As to handguns for hog hunting - - I always carry a handgun, just from force of habit. As a backup gun, I figure my .45 ACP will do for a finishing shot, or get one off me if I happen to drop my rifle in a bad spot. If handgun hunting for hawgs, I'd certainly choose a .45 Colt or a magnum revolver.

Best,
Johnny

Ac1d0v3r1d3
January 19, 2006, 11:42 PM
the M44 has a bayonet. Cant say that its a bad idea for hod hunting. now he just needs one for the .45.....

LTC_Para
January 19, 2006, 11:59 PM
the m44 is here, the .308 is at another location far away as is the .45 acp

plus i just love this m44 shot it today

mpi
January 20, 2006, 01:09 AM
quit piddling about with this girly rifle stuff and get yourself a manly spear and have at.
mpi

Ac1d0v3r1d3
January 20, 2006, 01:28 AM
the M44 IS a spear, its just a bad spear, that can also kill things really really far away.

FirstFreedom
January 20, 2006, 11:45 AM
.50 bmg handgun, you say?

http://www.custom-glock.com/shotday4/shotday4-Images/19.jpg

LTC_Para
January 20, 2006, 01:46 PM
yea i would like to still have a wrist

armedtotheteeth
January 22, 2006, 12:39 PM
i was thinking about something more like this.
http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1700/1756.htm