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bjmanersr
October 26, 2005, 11:42 PM
I have purchased 2 Nangant rifles for grandsons for Christmas.(Though they were the same until I saw them-stupid me)The problem is one is a 44 with a big ol knife on the end.The other is a 38 WITHOUT a big ol knife on the end.So where do I get a big ol knife to go on the 38 and how do I install it?(2 12 year olds):confused: Thanks!!

cntryboy1289
October 27, 2005, 01:04 AM
can't remember if I have seen them on their website or not, but Tapco would be the one I checked first. I might check with Cheaper Than Dirt as well.

I just went and searched for it and haven't had any luck finding anyone that has them in stock. You might remove it and save the headache of hearing "why didn't mine have that on it".

I checked with Tennessee Gun Parts and a few other guys that I know of and none had it.

Rodger Parrish
October 27, 2005, 02:14 PM
I'm pretty sure that there is no way to attach a bayonet to the M-38.

dave_in_delaware
October 27, 2005, 02:49 PM
+1 for the suggestion to removing the one you have, so the other grandson doesn't get jealous. That will give you time to either find another one, or find out that you can't attach one to the 38. However, if it is possible, then you can give each grandson "additions" for their guns as another present (like their birthday).

greeneggsnham
October 27, 2005, 07:04 PM
OK, as the actual owner of a beautiful Mosin Nagant, "moyseen nagon" I believe is the way it's pronounced, I feel that I have some input that might help. First of all, the 44 is going to be a thorn in your side. It was designed to be shot with the bayo extended. I read that by not extending it, the barrel harmonics would cause your shots to be about a foot from the point of aim. Well, with the bayo not extended, my 44 groups beautifully around 3/4 inch groups... a foot to the left and an inch low. The older MN's have a different style bayo, not the cross type. It twists on to the end of the barrel. They say that you can remove the 44's bayo, but mine has been pinged three times with a chisel. It would have to be drilled out. The lug is also integral with the sight, so you simply can't remove that unless you plan on using mounted optics. My choice is replace my 44 bbl with one from a 39. Good luck, you made a delicious choice in weapontry. Do a web search and make sure you don't have a collectable before you do anything to them.

James K
October 27, 2005, 07:21 PM
The Model 38 was not designed to use a bayonet. It might be possible to put an M44 folding bayonet on the M38, but it wouldn't be feasible or very practical. I suggest you try to trade the M44 for another M38; that way, both rifles would be the same, and neither would have a potentially dangerous bayonet.

(I know it sounds silly to talk about a dangerous bayonet when it is attached to a pretty dangerous rifle, but those bayonets can get stuck where you don't want them. If in doubt, I'll send a pic of the ceiling of my gun room, which I stabbed while checking out this posting.)

Jim

bjmanersr
October 27, 2005, 08:57 PM
I just ordered another 44.I think i'll keep the 38 for myself!:D

Ifishsum
October 28, 2005, 01:41 AM
LOL sounds like the best solution of all! :D

greeneggsnham
October 30, 2005, 09:38 PM
I sincerely apologise to everyonefor the misinformation regarding the 38. I feel like a complete idiot for posting about the 38's bayo attachment. I've preached about "knowing what you talk about" and here I am.

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Bunker/4064/PersCollection/M9130page.html

http://www.surplusrifle.com/mosincarbine/index.asp

dfaugh
November 1, 2005, 09:20 AM
I've heard this from several people...But I had a Polish M-44 that shot pretty much to POA without the bayo extended...and only a little different WITH it extended...Guess this is a puzzle...

Poodleshooter
November 1, 2005, 11:39 AM
Yeah, it may occasionally be different in a well constructed rifle, but from shooting 2 or 3 M44's of indistinct parentage, I've noticed that they shot to POA with the bayonet extended,and anywhere from 6-12" off of POA horizontally with the bayonet folded. I think they shot left with it folded,IIRC.
1 more vote for taking it off the M44. They should shoot pretty straight with it removed. Wouldn't hurt to test that M44 with the bayonet removed,though.

dasmi
November 1, 2005, 12:17 PM
Excellent choice on guns, and getting them both an M44. I absolutely love mine.
And the others are correct, it shoots better with the bayonet extended.
http://my.opera.com/servicesix/homes/albums/5702/m44_case.jpg

Toney
November 2, 2005, 11:21 PM
Need to buy up some of the hollow core practice ammo the bullets are around 40 grains i think.

does the 91-30 bayo fit the 38?