View Full Version : home defense shotgun....avoid a non-hunting model?
September 9, 2005, 06:44 PM
Would it be a wise idea ot avoid purchasing a home defense shotgun taht is all black and has an extended magazine capacity? I have read that using a "combat" style shotgun can lead to problems if you shoot someone in defense of your life/love ones because of the appearance (short barrel, non hunting look). It looks as though you are some kinda vigilante. What do you all think. The local gun store ahs remington 870 express "security" shotguns with 7 round magazines on sale, so I was thinking of getting one. But when i read this, I was wondering if I would inadvertently cause myself more trouble then its worth. My current "defender" is a 870 with a 20" deerslayer smoothbore barrel. Excellent patterns with TAP 12 guage buckshot. What do you think.
They also suggested that you avoid "tactical" ammo and use hunting type ammo that would be common to have laying around.
September 9, 2005, 06:58 PM
I wouldn't buy into the hype. Buy what appeals to you and is practical.
Ever hear of anyone being let off because they used a wood stocked sporter looking thing? If they want to demonize youand can't use your SG, then they'll look under your sink or in your garage for another way.
I like wood stocks and the evil black ones. Nothing wrong with owning a mean looking gun. Hey, maybe they'll back down when seeing the horrible black gun and you wont have to shoot them. :D
September 9, 2005, 08:01 PM
I wouldn't buy into the hype.
I would want as many shells as I could get into the tube.
I have read that using a "combat" style shotgun can lead to problems if you shoot someone in defense of your life/love ones because of the appearance (short barrel, non hunting look).
They also suggested that you avoid "tactical" ammo and use hunting type ammo that would be common to have laying around
See what happens when you read things published by the Antis'?
load of crap :barf:
get the gun
September 9, 2005, 09:11 PM
You want every advantage you can get. It is STUPID to pick a weapon that is not as suited to your purpose just because some people don't like the look of them. The goal is DEFENDING YOUR LIFE OR THE LIVES OF OTHERS IN YOUR HOME, they will find a way to demonize you no matter what.
While the lawyer may try to use it against you, If it was a justifiable shooting, it wouldn't matter if you used a 105mm howitzer.
September 9, 2005, 09:51 PM
..my winchester model 12 riot shotgun is plenty MEAN looking!! GROWL!
September 9, 2005, 09:59 PM
I figured it might be a load of hype, but the guy that wrote the article was a gun guy. Anyway, I think he was just telling people how to play it safe for the courts.
Actually, I think I am gonna buy a riot barrel for my Mossberg 500. That coupled with my 870 smooth bore slug gun, I have two short-y shotguns.
September 10, 2005, 12:01 AM
I have a Mossberg Persuader that holds 6, for MY home defense shot gun. Excellent shot gun, and I am good with it. I have practiced.
September 10, 2005, 03:48 AM
First of all, if any sort of explaining has to be done, remember, that's what you pay a lawyer for! Keep your yap shut and let the lawyer earn his money.
Secondly, don't believe everything you read in gun magazines.
If authorities are going to hassle about the type of shotgun, your lawyer might advise the court that the firearm was purchased for home defense AND, as you would be staking your life and that of your family on it, you wanted something similar to a proven, reliable, police type shotgun. Color doesn't matter. Nor the difference between plastic or wood stocks. A shotgun marketed as, or stamped with the words Police, security, defender, protector or similar logos might actually work in your favor.
As to "tactical" versus hunting loads -- most so-called tactical loads are reduced charge loads for close quarters use. This means less recoil and potentially less penetration through walls, doors and furniture. It can also mean less hazard to the neighbors. Even the standard #7 1/2 shot will be disabling indoors with a body hit. You want ammo that is the most effective against an immediate threat while minimizing the risk to 3rd parties if at all possible.
September 10, 2005, 04:15 AM
I have a 870 Marine Magnum with 6 round capacity. I'm saving for a Benelli M4 Super90 currently. That's really scary looking :D. Those Federal Tactical shotgun loads are awsome, 20" barrel the flash is equvilent of a m-16 with good ammo faint orange poof.
September 10, 2005, 06:49 AM
I believe there may be a itty bitty bit of merit to the argument IF you live in an inti-gun area or have a rabid politically driven DA. The one thing that supercedes any type of weapon or any type of modification though is whether the use of legal force was justified. If it is justified, the tactical unit pictured above will do just fine. :)
September 10, 2005, 03:06 PM
XavierBreath; Almost fell out of my chair when I saw Your "tactical" shotgun!!!!! :p Nice touch with the OldTimer Sharp finger "bayonett".
AS FAR AS THE LAWYERS GO, IT'S MORE IMPORTANT AS TO WHAT YOU DID WITH IT AND WHY VS. WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
September 10, 2005, 03:42 PM
Hey! Thats not tactical black duct tape. :D
September 10, 2005, 05:08 PM
WHAT!?!?! Only one other gun taped to your shotty? C'mon, you sureley know better.
Great pic! LOL
September 10, 2005, 06:11 PM
Sounds like an Ayoob article.
September 10, 2005, 10:29 PM
i gotta get me one of them, someone should make a stock like that, have a second gun within easy reach
September 11, 2005, 12:55 AM
XavierBreath - sure hope you removed that stuff gently when the photo session was through... (Whadya mean that's the way ya keep it?! :eek: )
September 11, 2005, 01:09 AM
..although I don't own one, to me, the meanest looking shotgun is the old Winchester 97...something about that exposed hammer....!
September 11, 2005, 09:13 PM
Sounds like an Ayoob article.
So what. Ayoob teaches lawyers how to handle gun issues in court, and is an expert witness. He's pointed out on numerous occasions that your opposing council or prosecutor will use any Red Herring he can against you.
Now at this point, someone will be posting a challenge to offer one single incident of a citizen being convicted because of this Red Herring, or that. It does happen to those with inadequate council, but the time (which translates to money) that your competent lawyer will have to spend debunking the nonesense is costly. In a civil suit a majority isn't needed so there's always the possibility your non pc weapon could lead to a judgement against you.
In a high percentage of cases where Ayoob has been called to testify, by the best criminal defense attorneys in the country, it's been to debunk red herring issues.
For a guy whose one of the best friends gun owners could possibly have, he sure takes a lot of crap from some of you because you're offended that he'd tell you the truth with respect to how anti-gun prosecutors and civil attorneys will treat you and your choice of weapons in a court room.
Mark Seiden carries a SA/DA SIG, because he's spent so much time defending his clients' choice of firearms (especially 1911s) as he has his client's actions. If you don't know who he is, look him up if you're ever accused of unlawful deadly force in Florida.
Lastly: Sporting shotguns are commonly all black, usually with synthetic stocks. So are both of my Combat shotguns. One with SureFire fore-end, the other with sidesaddle. Both with ext. mag. tubes. I also carry 1911 SA pistols on occasion. Say to hell with Red Herrings, as I do, but don't deny they can be used against you. :cool:
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