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just one question
August 4, 2005, 09:18 AM
What will happen.... will they come on civilian market and be cheaper or will they sell them to some one else???

I hope they put them on the civie market :D and drive the price down.....

shaggy
August 4, 2005, 09:43 AM
They can't come into the civilian market. When the military is done with them, some go to LE agencies, but most get destroyed.

luchs
August 4, 2005, 10:29 AM
most of the small arms drop out by the us military force were sell or give as aid to the ally...
back in 1982 israel army find many thousand of new M16A1 ,still in box, in the hand of plo...the weapons was from the aid to lebanon army...

PSE
August 4, 2005, 10:47 AM
the DO NOT get shipped to panama.

3 weelin geezer
August 4, 2005, 12:10 PM
How about cuba or guatemala or costa rica perhaps? My opinion is that they will end up given away to someone else and piled up in someones backyard to just rust like those tommy guns.

CDignition
August 4, 2005, 09:07 PM
They are sawed in half and demilled, rendered inoperable and recycled..;)

boofus
August 4, 2005, 09:14 PM
If a democrat is in power they get sent to our nice terrorist friends in Hamas and Hezbollah to kill Israelis with. Klinton trusts palestinian terrorists more than he trusts fellow American citizens, remember that the next time some slimy leftwinger tries to win your vote.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=86698

63Belair
August 8, 2005, 10:51 PM
there was a picture in some other thread I saw a few weeks back of several (and I mean SEVERAL) WWII era thompsons in a pile rusting

luchs
August 10, 2005, 01:43 PM
operation "pace in galilea" took place in 1982...the president was ronald reagan...

Primer
August 10, 2005, 07:05 PM
I believe that a law was passed a few years back during the Clinton administration preventing militray surplus arms from ever being sold to the general public as the old WWI and WWII 45s were. I would have to check on that to be sure. I will let you know what I find.

rkba_net
August 15, 2005, 07:00 PM
Full-auto weapons owned by the US military are NOT registered with the BATFE... so even though many of these weapons were made before the 1986 cutoff they are NOT transferable...

tintcutter
August 18, 2005, 05:50 PM
I rebuilt the bathrooms in the building they are shipped to at least in part at the Anniston Army Depot in Alabama. The guns are of course inventoried, but those with good parts get cannabilized and the resulting guns meet a good enough standard to be sold. Anniston is the largest arms supermarket in the world. The United States makes a great deal of money on arms sales, or perhaps political capital. While I was there Isreal bought 80,000 M16's and the crew was getting it ready for shipment.

The bad parts, sears and burnt out barrels are sent through a grinder affectionately called "Captain Crunch" which is very loud, and the bits are then melted into slag with torches. From the destruction a metal powder I believe is called cadmium is produced that is very bad for you to breath. I feel for the folks working in that place.

Anyway, I heard about governments shopping for missiles and tanks and heavy guns like the M60 also. That building only handled light arms.

pawz68
October 12, 2005, 03:47 PM
A bunch are going to police departments for the cost of shipping. I think each department is allowed to order 10% of their department manpower. A department of 400 can receive 40 rifles. The ones I've seen are beat up M16A1's. Hope this helps.

CQBArms
October 12, 2005, 04:12 PM
We just saw some come in and they are really nice NIB M16A1's....drop the top, new upper you are good to go!

czc3513
October 12, 2005, 05:48 PM
Is Lord Of War accurate?

CQBArms
October 12, 2005, 06:06 PM
Many parts are some are exaggerations. Certainly the leaving stuff behind is...there are bone yards with hundreds of thousands of old guns just rusting in the sun.

Niantician
October 12, 2005, 06:36 PM
The military will never be done with them. New conflicts sometimes require old weapons. Imagine how suprised I was when my Platoon SGT handed me a scoped M-14 3 months into my tour in Iraq. They said they were going to phase out the 50-cal machine gun, but now they can't get enough of them. They thought of getting rid of the 40mm grenade and the m-203 that shoots them, now they handing out M-79s to soldiers.

GeorgeF
October 28, 2005, 03:35 PM
Its too funny, theyve been saying that about the .50 since Vietnam. "old weapon" blah blah blah. And every time they get in some situation where they need vehicles or light cover (improvised bunkers, people in buildings, etc) taken out - the ol Ma Deuce is the most economical way to do it. Bring a few HumVees with pintle M2's and you can chew up a LOT. You'll saw through a concrete block in no time, so unless the cover is solid with rebar and all, it wont last very long.

Try fiddling with that with M16's, 249's or even the 240. And if the target is a few hundred yards away the bloop gun wont be that accurate. Besides, using the M79 effectively requires some practice, same as anything. How many people today have much time with one of those?

Yeah, that ol .50 will be a round a long, long time. Nothing (Western) exists which fills that role so effectively - it aint a rifle and it aint a cannon. But what it does, it does well.

CQBArms
October 28, 2005, 03:50 PM
The Military is done with many m16's ala the M16A1 is basically retired.


Here's what happens.
http://www.nlectc.org/equipment/1033.html

Silent Trigger
October 29, 2005, 02:41 AM
While I'm no fan of the M-16 (I prefer the AK series of assault rifle), I'll say I'd much rather them keep the A2 through A4 variants in active service than adopot that damned XM-8 (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as61-e.htm) assault rifle. Over the years I've grown fond of the M-16 even though I remain a Kalishnikov man, but supposedly that new space age toy looking assault rifle is the shiznits. :confused:

dang shame the current M-16s couldn't just be made to semi-auto only and sold into the Civilian market @ surplus, didn't know about that rule passed to make that illegal. :( ***But it's not like it's that big of a deal, I've had experience with fully automatic weapons and other than situations where extreme supression fire is needed, (and in a combat situation you'd want someone with a SAW or LMG backing your six) there's really no need for full auto, semi-auto is all one needs, and you can fire off what you need fast enough anyhow. Or you can cheat a bit and get one of those Auto Burst non internal modification faux automatic mods.

E-5 82nd AB
October 29, 2005, 03:32 AM
Silent Trigger, I agree with you, on three counts, I'm an AK fan and I don't see a real need for full auto weapons unless it is a S.A.W. either. And that XM-8 is ugly. :barf: I have a nice M-1 garand and a nice M-1 Carbine and my M-1911A1 too. If the SHTF here again, I'm ready to roll. I even have the bayonets for the Garand and the Carbine too. ;)

Silent Trigger
October 29, 2005, 04:02 AM
Silent Trigger, I agree with you, on three counts, I'm an AK fan and I don't see a real need for full auto weapons unless it is a S.A.W. either. And that XM-8 is ugly. :barf: I have a nice M-1 garand and a nice M-1 Carbine and my M-1911A1 too. If the SHTF here again, I'm ready to roll. I even have the bayonets for the Garand and the Carbine too. ;)

Yep the AK-47 is a great weapon indeed as far as "assault rifles" are concerned but for overall "Battle Rifles" I'd have to pick the M-1 Garand or the BM-59 Beretta variant that pre-dated the M-14, and strangely enough I prefer the BM-59. Though I won't sell short the Enfield No.4 MK 1, especially when utilized in the Sniper role in the battle rifle department, and is my rifle of choice over even the Mauser 98K for old fashioned bolts. I've seen too many problems first hand with the AR-15, and a lot of the NAM Vet buddies of my father's early on who used to visit the house and actually trained me a lot of things they shouldn't have to a child between the ages of 8 and 12... well all they did was cuss out the M-16, and most favored the AK-47 and would carry them every chance they got.

As far as SAWs go, they're good but I'd rather have me an M-60 or BAR over a HROF 5.56mm SAW. When I saw the XM-8 however, I just shuddered and talked with more than a few who have tested it out. To me it's nothing more than an over glorified H&K G-36 Assault Rifle, which I had the pleasure of shooting about a year ago at a "Tactical Range" not too far from where I live along with the glorious MP-5 SMG. For whatever their reasons the DOD wants to make that the next main line rifle, at least all things point to that, and while it may prove to be a better functioning and reliable weapon, I'm from the old guard (Brown Shoe and/or "Dog Soldiers") even though I'm just a bit shy under 30 yrs of age. A military rifle should be above all else reliable, but it should have a rugged exterior, though like with everything else it seems even the firearms of the future are incredibly candy assed in outward appearance. I used to own an M-1 Garand, damn sure miss it, along with my M-14/M-1A1 brand spankin' new from Springfield Armory... but I recently bought a Town Home Condo so they went bye, bye to pay for the closing costs. :( These days I've got my trusty .30WCF M-94, the AK-47, a .22-250 bolt action rifle and a Cx4 Storm, that mainly the wife uses.

I'm ready to rock & roll should the SHTF as well. :cool:

E-5 82nd AB
October 29, 2005, 05:01 AM
S.T., I also have a nice custom No4 Mk1 Carbine in .303 British too. Fajen stock and black caps with white spacers too. Real purdy. I have an old RC Mauser K98K in 7.92x57mm in trade for a nice sporter M-93 7mm Mauser. I'll take a BAR over the M-60, feed tray problems with the M-60. H&K MP-5 = garbage in my opinion. I'm in my mid 30's and what I saw in the service with the M-16's / variants left me sick. I'd love to have an M-1A or the SOCOM Carbine as well. I like certain semi auto rifles, none of the commercial stuff mind you. I prefer milsurp stuff. ;) Hang onto that .30WCF and the AK and the .22-250. I want a .220 Swift bolt action so bad, I can taste it. ;)

If I may ask. May I E-mail you? I'd like to talk about milsurps with you "in person". ;)

Silent Trigger
October 29, 2005, 05:27 AM
S.T., I also have a nice custom No4 Mk1 Carbine in .303 British too. Fajen stock and black caps with white spacers too. Real purdy. I have an old RC Mauser K98K in 7.92x57mm in trade for a nice sporter M-93 7mm Mauser. I'll take a BAR over the M-60, feed tray problems with the M-60. H&K MP-5 = garbage in my opinion. I'm in my mid 30's and what I saw in the service with the M-16's / variants left me sick. I'd love to have an M-1A or the SOCOM Carbine as well. I like certain semi auto rifles, none of the commercial stuff mind you. I prefer milsurp stuff. Hang onto that .30WCF and the AK and the .22-250. I want a .220 Swift bolt action so bad, I can taste it.

If I may ask. May I E-mail you? I'd like to talk about milsurps with you "in person".

#1> I salute you on your NO 4. MK 1 Carbine Enfield. That's a damn good rifle. One I'd like to own actually, and sooner than later too. Was just reading an interesting article on how to properly keep the bore clean from salt residue that the Corrosive .303 ammo would foul up the barrel, even after people used high grade cleaners. Seems pouring Boiling Water through the bore takes care of built up impurities and then you can run several patches through it and clean it with whatever you want, (I love me Bore Snakes) and it should be fine. **Just in case you didn't know about that, but you might have. Do you know if today's .303 calibre are still corrosive or are there companies manufacturing non-corrosive ammunition these days?

#2> As for the MP-5, I like the way it holds in my hand, but my all time fave SMG (which I haven't had time with) is the British Sterling L2-A3 side magazine mounted SMG. It just looks BOSS, but I understand the Brits finally put them away when they went over to the L85A1 assault rifle, but were used from like 1951 until the mid 80's by the Airborne Infantry Specialist and SAS units. Gotta' give it to them, they make (and have made) some damn good weapons. After that I really like the tube magazine fed Russian BISON/BIZON SMG, but those are some pricey bastards indeed.

#3> Yeah I'd have to agree on the BAR > M-60 sentiments, however I never liked how it only had the 20 round detacthable box magazine in lieu of the belt fed system on the M-60LMG. I'd really like to find me someone who owns a 1941 Johnson LMG that the US Marines used exclusively in place of the BAR in the Pacific Theatre in WWII. A lot of my (now dead) WWII friends (yes as a kid I was "Friends" with vets, some who taught me stuff before I learned from the NAM vets) who served in the Marines remembered it well, though I've never seen one up close and personal.

#4> I prefer MilSurp stuff as well, but sometimes I gotta' go with what's openly available to the open "commerical" market. These days, and now with a baby daughter on the way (any day now) spending the $BLING for my collection/hobby/ethusiast passions isn't priority one.

#5> Yeah man, my email address should be accessible through the link in my profile. Always enjoy hot breathing with fellows of the same interests. Shoot for now though... I'm off to bed finally.

PEACE FOR NOW. :cool:

E-5 82nd AB
October 29, 2005, 05:54 AM
S.T., Most any commercial ammo is NON corrosive for the .303 British caliber. Too bad the old HXP Greek stuff dried up. I have 20 rounds left I'm hoarding for that rainy day. ;) I know all too well about corrosive ammo, I mix Ammonia and water or I use the REAL Windex with Ammonia D to rid my bores of salts, I do not use corrosive ammo in my .303, Match grade bore there buddy. ;) I see your point number 2. M-60's had aluminum feed trays, not good in my book. Baby is more important. I'll send an E-mail soon, like later today, need to get some shut eye meself. ;)

Lucky 7
November 11, 2005, 10:13 AM
They go to Israel. Nuff said. lol A lot more will be getting shipped there now that the army is phasing out the m16 for the m4 and we Marines are phasing out the A2 for the A4 (though thats mostly just an upper receiver fix IIRC).
Semper Fi!
-L7

BlueTrain
November 11, 2005, 11:59 AM
Say, just how many of you have Jewish friends or acquaintances and how many have Muslim friends or acquaintances? Or South African or Rhodesian?

USMC Tanker
December 3, 2005, 12:58 PM
After the military is done with M16's, they'll be so old, worn out, and used up, who'd want one? Some of them that are still in service barely work.

Kilroy08
December 5, 2005, 12:34 PM
In basic, many kids in my company had overhauled lower recievers from A1's in their rifles. The armory milled out the script for auto and stamped "burst" in its place, then put on an A2 upper, butt, trigger group, and pistol grip.

The A1 lowers will get recycled until they are no longer serviceable, then sliced, diced, and sold for scrap.

BlueTrain
December 16, 2005, 03:38 PM
It occurs to me that no gun manufacturer, like Colt, for instance, would want surplus guns, especially M16's, sold on the civilian market.