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Georgiaboy
June 22, 2005, 09:08 PM
I have this very old .410 single shot shotgun that my greatgrandfather bought when he was young, he said it would shoot regular .410 shells but it has a muzzleloader ram-rod up under it. To load it you have to pull the hammer back and lift the top of the breech,(is not the regular break open style shotgun), sorry i have no name or model number, the gun is in poor condition and i cannot find either.

Harley Nolden
June 23, 2005, 04:21 AM
a photo will help if you can provide one

HJN

Jim Watson
June 23, 2005, 07:35 AM
What do you think about great grandpa shooting .410s in a Trapdoor Springfield?

fal308
June 23, 2005, 07:37 AM
It could be a Trapdoor forager shotgun. Though they are rather rare. As noted above, some photos would help.

Jim Watson
June 23, 2005, 12:25 PM
A real Forager (1376 made, issued two per post) is 20 gauge. I figure ggp was just sticking .410s in a .45-70.

DucksOnThePond
June 23, 2005, 01:02 PM
I have been told that you can shoot a .44 from a .410 shotgun and I have seen a NEF model shotgun that they advertise you can shoot either a .45 or .410 from same gun (not sure if comes with separate barrels or not). just curious as to whether it is safe to shoot a .44 or .45 from a .410 shotgun.

Jim Watson
June 23, 2005, 04:08 PM
No.
You would be squeezing a .430" or .452" bullet through a .410" barrel (then the choke) of a gun rated for about half the chamber pressure.

DucksOnThePond
June 23, 2005, 07:43 PM
thank you. thought it sounded dumb when I first heard it.

Georgiaboy
June 23, 2005, 08:55 PM
thanks for your help, I forgot to add that it has a flip up tang sight on top of it. hopefully tommorrow i will be able to post the name and model number if i am able to read them

Jim Watson
June 23, 2005, 10:23 PM
Does it look like the pictures here?
http://www.militaryrifles.com/US/73-88Allin.htm

Georgiaboy
June 24, 2005, 06:56 PM
yes, it does look like the pictures you posted, thanks for the help

Mike Irwin
June 25, 2005, 11:19 PM
This sounds like it would have been a gun made, or offered, by Bannerman's.