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jonathon
June 13, 2005, 01:45 PM
What would be the best thing to use on a fat black bear if your out to get him?

Wildalaska
June 13, 2005, 01:55 PM
Dont use Speer 50 caliber soft point pistol bullets, one of our guys popped a blackie with a .50 beowolf and the bullet did not perform at all

WildmessAlaska

mete
June 13, 2005, 01:58 PM
I assume it's close range in WA ? If so you don't need a magnum. A heavy bullet ,premium even better .308 -165 or180, 30-06 -180, 358W,35 Whelan, and my favorite 45-70.

OBIWAN
June 13, 2005, 02:06 PM
At-4

Shorthair
June 13, 2005, 02:46 PM
Black bear are taken every year with nothing more glamerous than the hunter's standard deer rifle. I would use a somewhat more solidly constructed bullet (not a Ballistic Tip...), and heavy for caliber.
From your list, the muzzleloader, the .44 Mag and the shotgun would be great for shots out to about 75 yards, but I don't see anything on your list for longer shots.
I'd not set out to use the AK round on Black bear, unless I really had to.

Rojoe67
June 13, 2005, 03:57 PM
270 in a 150g. SP, 30-06, 308, 45-70, 280, 7.62x54, 7mm, 35, 303, and I might call my minimum on Black Bear 30-30..... Lots of choices but I would use a soft point that seems to work well in my past hunts. ;)

stephen426
June 13, 2005, 04:23 PM
How would a slug gun work? I'm not sure if it would destroy too much meat though. Another thing is I'm not sure of what the regulations are for using shotgun in WA.

jonathon
June 13, 2005, 04:24 PM
We are talking maybe, MAYBE a 50 yard shot if I have scoped the area right. The neighbors of a friend are feeding this damn bear, and its destroying his bird feeders and his garden.

We know what route it takes, and are just fiddling with where is the best way to take him.. and with what. Think a 30.06 will do it for him? I was thinking my Super Blackhawk for myself maybe... with the right ammo.. which would be?

sixguns
June 13, 2005, 05:15 PM
.30-06 would be perfect for a quick and humane kill.

locked'n'cocked
June 13, 2005, 05:32 PM
sounds like a good excuse to get a new rifle. if you dont want to go that route use the 44 or the 30-06.

just one question
June 13, 2005, 06:50 PM
you need the ultimate bear gun http://www.steyrclearinghouse.com/steyr_hs50_sniper_rifle.htm :p

Dogjaw
June 13, 2005, 07:17 PM
A shotgun with slugs is more than enough. Even a 20 gauge with Winchester Partition Supreme is a .45 sabot with only slightly less power than a 45-70, with a 3" elevation window out to 150 yards.
In that .44 you want a hard cast lead bullet for penetration and a tough bullet to smash bone. Federal makes the Premium Vital Shok (correct spelling) Handgun Hunting round with 300 grain cast core bullet. Federal (http://www.federalcartridge.com/default.asp?br=1)

Midway (http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.exe/browse?TabID=3&Categoryid=7513&categorystring=653***691***) sells them, along with several other cast loadings.

MEDDAC19
June 13, 2005, 07:30 PM
Don't know the game laws in Washington, but here in Pennsy it is illegal to shoot over or on a bait runway. Since the neighbors are feeding it, and you want to hunt the runway the bear is using. In Pennsy you would get a $500.00 fine, loss of your license and confiscation of your weapon. Please make sure of your applicable regs.

oneeyeross
June 21, 2005, 08:16 PM
It is illegal to hunt over bait in Washington. However, this is not a baited bear, this is a bear that is eating bird feed.

Bear season (general) opens 1 Aug, runs through Nov 15....

If you need help, let me know. My Mosin-Nagant is, as of yet, unblooded...and my sweetie is after a bear skin...

CarbineCaleb
June 21, 2005, 08:41 PM
What to use on a fat black bear? I have heard they are real good with mustard :D

Jseime
June 21, 2005, 08:48 PM
i would.... take the .30-06 loaded with 180 grain partitions

How would a slug gun work? I'm not sure if it would destroy too much meat though.
i think a slug gun would work too.
i dont know about down there but here in saskatchewan bear meat can be left in the field. its the only game animal where useable meat can be left and all you have to take is the hide.

22-rimfire
June 21, 2005, 08:54 PM
I would use what you already hopefully have.... 270 or larger up to 35 whelan more or less. Think rifle! Not handgun!

LAK
June 22, 2005, 03:17 AM
Any medium bore rifle launching Nosler Partitions, though probably any tough bullet from a 6.5mm on up ought to work.

bclark1
June 22, 2005, 07:23 AM
were i ever to get a bear tag, i'd use 30-06 for black. a premium 180-grain bullet would be a sufficient pill from what i've had shared with me, but i'd probably break out something in the 200s for the occasion.

johnbt
June 22, 2005, 07:35 AM
A fat one? A .30-06 or a .444 Marlin.

http://home.earthlink.net/~hwsportsman3/444-06.jpg

longspurr
June 22, 2005, 10:34 AM
Since this isn't hunting season I suggest the following.

Well since you know it is a fat one it is going to have a sweet tooth. I suggest Honey laced with Benedril antihistamines. As the bear has a good time consuming the honey he will ingest the sleeping tablets. Please see your local Vet for proper dosing. Keeping an eye on the bait pile will tell you when to call for your helpers and go find a very sleepy bear.

After that it’s up to you. You can hogtie him and call the game department to take away a nuisance bear,
Option: with the help of friends deliver him to a place of safety for him, or someplace to make the nightly news.

Oh yea – gun related – keep a big bore handgun / rifle handy in case of accidents while handling the bear

kirbymagnum
October 16, 2005, 05:52 PM
30 06 is good for bear but take a heavery grain lead

stevelyn
October 17, 2005, 08:05 AM
A black bear can be easily whacked with a .30-06 and 150 gr soft points.

A SG with slugs will also do nicely if you keep the ranges shorter. Brenneke slugs will penetrate better and upset less than a Foster slug.

Black bears aren't heavily boned or muscled so anything you use on deer will work on them.

Jack O'Conner
October 17, 2005, 12:12 PM
Marlin in 35 Remington with 200 grain core-lockt ammo.

Dave Haven
October 17, 2005, 10:46 PM
.338 Win. Mag. with a 250 grain Nosler partition bullet.
Or a .30-'06 with a 200 grain Nosler partition.

Pointer
October 18, 2005, 11:51 AM
165 grains +

Premium bullets which retain more than 95% of their original weight.

Barnes X, Nosler ballistic tip, or Nosler Partition, Failsafe etc. :)

Black bears are not hard to kill... but when they charge they are difficult to stop.

Therefore, bigger bullets will break shoulder bones, and spines, and pearce the skull better. :eek:

Johnny Guest
October 18, 2005, 05:10 PM
- - Was a largish cinnamon sow taken in the Umcomphagre [sp??] Natl. Forest in Western Colorado several years back. Ruger .30'06, Sierra GameKing 165 gr at about 2700. One shot at just beyond 100 yards - - She turned and ran into the brush but was down within 20 yards.

I really believe this was plenty of rifle.

Best,
Johnny

azredhawk44
October 19, 2005, 08:19 PM
longspurr has a good point.

That would definitely take some talent, but your local animal control people should be able to help you out with dosages, or maybe a vet.

I'd definitely keep a boomstick handy when tieing him up, though. And he may chew his way free when he wakes up. I'm thinking: big dog crate for transportation in the back of a truck.

sixguns
October 19, 2005, 08:30 PM
Jack O'Conner
Marlin in 35 Remington with 200 grain core-lockt ammo.

I thought you was dead! A .270 is what you always used to use! Now a 35?

jeff_troop
October 20, 2005, 10:44 PM
alll of these high power weapons. a .30-30 or a 16 or 12 gauge slug is just fine.

the important question is, what is available you? or are you going to buy/borrow a gun to shoot it?