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trigger45
June 6, 2005, 06:25 PM
do i need a 7mmmag or a .300 mag to hunt hogs?

thebucket
June 6, 2005, 06:29 PM
I'm not sure I'd want to hunt a hog that NEEDS a .300 mag. I know hogs can be pretty tough but .300 mag seems a little overboard.

Ruger4570
June 6, 2005, 06:29 PM
Obviously the person that told you that is partially brain dead or just another expert on everything and likes to hear himself talk. Ignore it, a 308 with the right bullet can bring down anything that walks the face of the North America.. Probably would not be my first choice for the really big bears,, but then again, I don't expect to be hunting them any time soon :D

FALshootist
June 6, 2005, 06:33 PM
In the S.E. U.S. the 7.62x 39 SKS has become a big time hog and deer gun. Your 308 is fine for anything in N. America including hogs.

keens
June 6, 2005, 07:11 PM
Of course, if you need an excuse to get a .300 magnum, it sounds good to me. You do not need one as mentioned above, but then you can always tell tell yourself or signifigant other that hogs are so tough and mean that the .308 is a bit small and a .300 would be "better"...I like the sound of it anyway. :)

rbernie
June 6, 2005, 07:21 PM
Before y'all scoff too loudly, you might want to talk to folks who kill lots of hogs every year. I've heard more than one of them state that 308 doesn't always leave a large enough exit wound to allow tracking in dense brush. These folks seem to prefer things like shotgun slugs, and they kill enough hogs to know of what they speak.

Zekewolf
June 6, 2005, 07:27 PM
Probably the same wizards who "harvest" whitetails @ 50 yds. with .300 Win Mags and 7mm Mags. :)

impact
June 6, 2005, 07:48 PM
The 308 has plenty of power. but you still have to make a good shot! Ask Rich about his north Texas hog that he shot. I really like the mini 30 in 7.62x39 with HPs for hogs. the 7.62 makes about the same power as the 30-30. A well placed shot is everything. I saw a guy hit a hog broudside at an angle with a 30-30. The bullet went in right at the ribs and came out at the shoulder on the same side of the hog. All it did was **** off the hog. I've killed many hogs and I always go for a neck and head shot. Most of the time it's a neck shot. It will drop them in there tracks. If you go on a hog hunt good luck! It's loads of fun!

SR420
June 6, 2005, 07:53 PM
http://members.aol.com/pzgr1/hoghuntsized.jpg
The story that goes with the picture (http://www.ambackforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12858&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

impact
June 6, 2005, 08:10 PM
SR420 I have a M1A loaded that I would love to trick out and make look like your gun. I shot it two weeks ago with match ammo and open sights! WOW that gun shoots good.

nemesis
June 6, 2005, 08:18 PM
SR420..........

Keep in mind that javelinas sure as heck ain't hogs. Yer picture shows javelinas and javelinas make real good eatin' but they don't have anything at all to do with hogs.

SR420
June 6, 2005, 08:50 PM
If you follow the link you will find "airbiscuit" -- he hunts with 2 different M1A's and he has bagged many a large hog with the M1A/Port combo.
He has an 18" M1A that has become his rifle of choice.

Impact, thank you for the kind words about my rifle - it is currently getting the full Crazy Horse treatment from Ron Smith @ Smith Enterprise Inc.
I should have it back in my hands in about 2 weeks.

Also, I made a deal this morning to aquire the correct DC Vortex can (http://www.athenswater.com/images/SEI_EBR.jpg) :cool: -- I am told the paperwork will take about 6 months...
just in time for Christmas :D

.

Sturm
June 6, 2005, 09:00 PM
SKS, for hogs is pretty popular in Texas, along with the .30-30. At about 150 yards, it's a Redneck's idea of a dangerous big game hunt. I have an SKS, mainly for that reason. :D

A 150 gr. .308 is plenty, anything heavier is up to you Trigger! ;)

BTW, if you want real adventure and some green for your trouble. Hogs are bringing $.80 a pound where I live. Provided they're still alive! ;)

HSMITH
June 6, 2005, 09:13 PM
I've seen more than a couple elk shot with a 308 and 180 grain bullets, out to 250 yards. 308 is more than enough for any hog walking this planet if you use a good bullet and good shot placement.

The guys that are down on the 308 are problably the same ones or hunt with guys that buy whatever is cheapest at walmart and head out to hunt.

rbernie
June 6, 2005, 09:58 PM
Probably the same wizards who "harvest" whitetails @ 50 yds. with .300 Win Mags and 7mm Mags. The guys that are down on the 308 are problably the same ones or hunt with guys that buy whatever is cheapest at walmart and head out to hunt. You know, y'all can be so uncomfortably smug sometimes.... :confused:

The guys that I hear tell me that they think 308 is a bit light for hog hunting are the ones with likely more cajones that anyone on this thread (myself included) - the kind who hunt hogs on foot in the southern brush with dogs and spears. When they bring a firearm along, it's generally to drop a really big hog that's swirling in the mess of dogs-n-brush-n-dust. When they drop it, they need to drop it NOW before it hurts one of the dogs too badly (no waiting for the perfect neck shot), and they need to make sure that if it runs they can follow a good blood trail rather than let it die a slow death unrecovered in the thickets. To hear them tell things, hogs are really good at self-sealing exit wounds and subsequently being very difficult to track. They tell me that 308 works pretty well, but that every now and again it just doesn't have enough oomph to give a solid north-to-south wound channel or to blast enough of a plug out the other side to ensure that the piggie leaves a good trail to follow.

I dunno - I've never done it myself. I've got lots of friends here in NoTX that hunt hogs with SKS's and AK's and 30-30's. But they're all also hunting from stands and don't really care too much about tracking a potentially wounded animal. Heck - that's mean that they'd have to get down in the dust and thorns with some ******-off piggies and they surely don't want to do THAT. :rolleyes:

My attitude is that when somebody that's dropped literally hundreds and hundreds of hogs from a boots-on-the-ground position advises me to 'think big' in terms of bore diameter, I tend to listen....

Your call.

SR420
June 6, 2005, 10:09 PM
The guy's pictured above hunt at night, on foot without dogs.
The 7.62mmx51 NATO works just fine for them.

rbernie
June 6, 2005, 10:30 PM
And that's super - there's clearly more experience shown in that picture than I've got.

But I'd also like to point out that not one of the peccary's shown in that picture is over 60lbs. What I'd find far more compelling is to have you tell me how that 7.62x51 worked for you on a fast raking shot on a highly motivated 150lb pig....

SR420
June 6, 2005, 10:40 PM
The story that goes with the picture (http://www.ambackforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=12858&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

Hey, I'm not in the picture - Airbiscuit is the guy that hunts big hogs with an M1A, not me.
I'm just the super guy linking you to the information :)

impact
June 6, 2005, 10:42 PM
rbernie I guess then you won't hunt hogs with me if you are chicken! :D I use a mini with a 5 round mag because it is easy to drag around when I'm on my hands and knees in thick brush :eek: and oh yah! Snakes. I had people tell me where there are pigs there are no snakes! BS! One day in cut-shoot hog hunting crawling through some brush I almost put my hand on a snake. Got a good look at the snake. I just took a small stick and flicked the snake off to the side. When I got home I looked up the snake in one of my books. I didn't know there was such a thing as a two tone gray copperhead :eek: Snakes don't scare me but because of that I fear I'm going to get snake bit one of these days. So I try to be carefull.

mathman
June 6, 2005, 11:17 PM
They tell me that 308 works pretty well, but that every now and again it just doesn't have enough oomph to give a solid north-to-south wound channel or to blast enough of a plug out the other side to ensure that the piggie leaves a good trail to follow.

On any given day, any bullet can 'not get the job done'...If a .308 with the proper bullet can take an elk at 200 yards, it surely can take a hog. IDGAF how big the hog is...a .308 with a 180 grain Nosler Partition bullet will kill a bear...for crying out loud! These are the same people that say that an 06 can kill anything in North America, but the .308 is just marginal. What a bunch of sh!t.

Death from Afar
June 7, 2005, 03:15 AM
I would normally say that a .308 is enough gun for a pig. A few years back, I was out spotlighting pigs. I had a very nice Parker Hale C4 sniper rifle, with the issue Khales scope. I was using Norma dual core 180 grain bullets. My mate had a .222 ( but is a great shot) and the other guy had a .280. Anyway, We saw a HUGE pig. I mean massive. The boarasaurus. I leveled the 7.62 and let her rip. BLAM! THWOCK! The bullet, as it turned out entered in the shoulder blade, put a hole in that, stayed together, and smashed all the organs in that area. Then the pig turned around and looked at me! And it looked annoyed! "Holy s**t" said I , and let another go. BLAM! THWOCK! and down it went. My mate looked at me and said "Dude, I am scared". So, fr all but the biggest hogs the .308 is the ticket. This pig was 6 feet from nose to end of its tail. It was a monster.

PSE
June 7, 2005, 08:45 AM
anything bigger than a 22WM is overkill.

iamkris
June 7, 2005, 04:28 PM
I took a nice 160 lb Russian Razorback in TN with a .45 Colt out of my Blackhawk.

On foot...no tree stand...with a guide and 2 dogs. First shot when he charged us, 2nd shot to put him down.

Pointer
June 7, 2005, 06:49 PM
It depends on the weight/size of the pig.

I don't know much about Javalina, but they are small and I understand that while possibly dangerous... they aren't particularly difficult to kill. :cool:

Ferral Hogs are something else again. Young adults can weigh from about 125 lbs. up to about 500 lbs. The record from Hollister, Kalifornica is a whopping 700+ lbs!

In Dixieland for many years the 30-30 was THE ferral-hog gun! :D

In the Big Sur (Kalifornica) we hunted with .44 Mags. The brush is pretty thick and you often have to push through it, or even crawl under it. Easier with a hand gun. :)

At Fort Hunter Liggett (also Kalifornica) the off-duty GI's would hunt them with the 1911 45ACP!! I wouldn't recommend this, because when you meet a ******-off Sow or even a Boar, that might be on the heavier side... you'll want the extra penetration to pass down through the snout and continue into the vitals. The .45ACP is more than a little iffy in this situation.

By the way, an ex-Navy Seal and a tired old Green Beret I know, and their friends, hunt them with large hunting KNIVES (The $200 + variety).

They hunt with pit-bull dogs and when the dogs distract the "pig" they jump on his back and cut his throat... :rolleyes: Go figure!

There are very few critters in the woods that are meaner than a mad hog... it's better to kill 'em than **** 'em off. ;)

The guides and dog handler's will go out and get the 100 pounders and, again, while the dogs do their work... the guides will grab the pigs by the hind legs and flip 'em on their backs (Helpless as a turtle.) and castrate them!
When they hunt them later on, they will taste better.

The bottom line? You don't need a hot magnum. :cool:

CarbineCaleb
June 7, 2005, 08:15 PM
Pointer: I remember reading about an island in the tropics where the rite of passage from boyhood to manhood was to skill a shark with a knife (no scuba, no nothing). I am not sure if I would have made manhood there :D Maybe if everyone else does it, and you grow up with that... sounds pretty alien and scary though.


Ah yes, there was a tribe in Africa where the rite of manhood was to kill an adult Gorilla with a spear - this guy can literally tear you to pieces with his bare hands. The technique was you challenged him and ****** him off, and he chased you while you ran like hell with spear down the trail. At the last instant, you fall to the ground, jamming the butt of the spear in the dirt, and as he dives onto you, he is diving onto the spear. Also sounds, pretty... interesting. :eek:

Pointer
June 7, 2005, 09:45 PM
CarbineCaleb :)

Too scary for me! :eek:

I'd rather be called a pansy! ;)

Lawyer Daggit
June 7, 2005, 10:16 PM
I have shot most of the wild pig I have shot with a Remington Model 7 in .222- it is a favourite walk about rifle and it has been what I have had on me when the chance has arisen. Needless to say with a light calibre like that bullet placement is everything and I would not take a running shot.

I have shot a lot of others with 7.62x39 and 350 Rem Mag.

Obviously the 350 is the best killer, but your .308 is fine. Infact a 130 gr load marketed as 'feral fix' in Australia is essentially what most government departments here use on pig.

Unclenick
June 8, 2005, 06:11 AM
This thread has an interesting array of equipment mentioned. I've never hunted hog, but have read on another thread that those Inuit living in Greenland favor getting very close with .223 and shooting bears behind the ear. They think we're all nuts to use chew up meat with heavy calibers.

On the other hand, I like chewing up meat if it speeds up the kill, and have never heard they have wild boar in Greenland. So, I was wondering whether, if light and whalloping is the most desirable equipment, has anyone here tried one of the 45-70 guide gun variants on hogs?

Nick

Superhornet
June 8, 2005, 07:19 AM
Wow!! I guess I have been very lucky not to get attacked and eaten by these terrible hogs....I say lucky because I did not know any better and hunted those hogs with an old thirty-thirty and a Hornady 170 grain bullet...even though I have killed many I will never do that again...Am in need of a good hog rifle now...does anyone have a .416 Rigby for sale.........???

mathman
June 8, 2005, 09:36 AM
Wow!! I guess I have been very lucky not to get attacked and eaten by these terrible hogs....I say lucky because I did not know any better and hunted those hogs with an old thirty-thirty and a Hornady 170 grain bullet...even though I have killed many I will never do that again...Am in need of a good hog rifle now...does anyone have a .416 Rigby for sale.........???

nice...lol...

Fat White Boy
June 11, 2005, 11:59 PM
My friend and I both use .270's and have taken hogs up to 200 pounds using Corelokt 130 gr stock ammo. They drop dead, right now and the rounds have always gone clean through. I have only had one hog, a sow of about 150 lbs, run after I shot it from 200 yds, and just starting to run. It got about 100 yds. When I went to clean it, all that was left inside was the heart and half of one lung. These animals are as tough as advertised so as everyone else says, place your shot carefully...

Fat White Boy
June 12, 2005, 12:01 AM
Mathman- Heavy bullets are good. .30-30 is good. Heavy bullet+.30-30= Way good!

cosmolinelover
June 12, 2005, 12:51 AM
Well Trigger.... it sounds to me like "its out of your hands" and you must purchase a .300 winchester mag out of necessity. I find that the issue of whether or not I should buy a gun is often "out of my hands" as soon as I find an outlandish excuse for myself to by one. Hell, I've bought guns simply because they were so cheap I figured "I'd be a fool not to" and then I succeeded in firing them once and just addin them to vault to be forgotten about.

If you ask me trigger, you'd be a fool not to buy one.

Mannlicher
June 12, 2005, 06:06 PM
Hogs can be hard to put down, and keep down.
I have used a 30-30 more than anything on hogs. I find my handloaded Speer 170 gr FT to be satisfactory. I also use a .44 Mag marlin 1894, and on my last hunt, a SOCOM in .308 Win. These all work well for me.
I have to say, that hogs are darn tough. I also use a Winchester Model 70 in .458 Win Mag, with 400 gr SP at times. Even with this rifle, I have seen hogs run and run after taking a good hit.

texagun
June 12, 2005, 06:21 PM
"By the way, an ex-Navy Seal and a tired old Green Beret I know, and their friends, hunt them with large hunting KNIVES (The $200 + variety).
They hunt with pit-bull dogs and when the dogs distract the "pig" they jump on his back and cut his throat... Go figure!"


Just a second.....I need to put my boots on.....OK, I'm ready, tell me some more stories. :)

essexcounty
June 13, 2005, 01:30 PM
I have never shot a Texas hog, but I've been a guest on a few Maverick County hunts and I have two memoies. Number one the size of the hogs. Number two is how effective the 30-30 can be.....Essex County

45Dana
June 13, 2005, 09:49 PM
Being a traditionalist, I shoot big bore rifles and pistols. I do not enjoy high velocity rifles that shoot for miles and render a ton of meat inedible. I use a 45.70 frequently, a 375 H&H a lot as well. I have seen and taken large pigs with a 270 Win. that dropped like Thors hammer hit them. It is not rifle as much as it is the shooter. As one of the respondents replied, he used a 45 Colt. Many people use 44 Mags. as well. The 300 Win. mag as a suggested round is nothing but stupid. Be a hunter. A large bore, slow moving bullet will kill anything on the planet very effectively. Your 308 is more than enough to do the job. Hell, Jack Conner, shot the big five African trophy's with a 270.

trigger45
June 26, 2005, 09:07 AM
:barf: the guy that said my .308 was too small showed up with a "cetme" and said he traded his .450marlin for it!!!!!!!! give me a break!!!!! :barf:
dude Im glad I didnt believe him. still would like to have a 7mm rem mag. but thanks for giving me a shovel and a good pair of rubber boots!!! :cool: :)

Nio
June 26, 2005, 10:04 AM
And I don't think I'd go boar hunting again with anything less than a bazooka. But...that's just me...

Nio

Long Path
June 26, 2005, 10:24 AM
Heh. Maybe it is too light. Perhaps all those who keep killing hog with .308s are lucky. Consistently. :)

My preference is a good 180g load (such as the FailSafe), on the few occasions I've hunted hog with a .308. Funny, but no one ever questioned my use of an '06 for hog. I guess ~100 fps really makes all the difference, huh? :)



Say, don't be alarmed-- I'm kicking this thread over to The Hunt, where it belongs.

wayneinFL
June 27, 2005, 04:22 PM
"By the way, an ex-Navy Seal and a tired old Green Beret I know, and their friends, hunt them with large hunting KNIVES (The $200 + variety).
They hunt with pit-bull dogs and when the dogs distract the "pig" they jump on his back and cut his throat... Go figure!"


Just a second.....I need to put my boots on.....OK, I'm ready, tell me some more stories.

Thev ex-Navy SEAL and green beret thing may be B.S., but I believe the rest of it. There are plenty of guys around here who hunt with dogs, and they usually have the dogs bay the pig, then a guy jumps on it with a knife. A couple of guys I work with have tried to get me to go with them. They'll cut its throat with a knife, but they usually carry a glock or 357 for backup. FWIW pigs they've brought back have been as big as 250#.

Jumping on a pig with a knife is not my kind of thing. Besides, these guys have been in trouble for poaching before (knives are quieter?) and that's not my kind of thing either.

Somebody I trust a little better may talk me a dog hunt some day, but I think I'll take my spear.

Some of the farmers around here will catch them live. I'm not sure how. From what I understand, the reason they take them live is to bleed them, then feed them like a domestic pig, and it gets rid of the gamey taste.

kingudaroad
June 27, 2005, 05:06 PM
From what I understand, the reason they take them live is to bleed them, then feed them like a domestic pig, and it gets rid of the gamey taste. Wow those pigs without any blood must get hungry! I've shot about a dozen hogs while deer/ hog hunting with federal 270 130 grain nosler ballistic tip. every one dropped in its tracks. I dont remember trying any head shots,mostly behind the shoulder low.

dale taylor
June 27, 2005, 05:20 PM
I lve in Fl and have taken many many hogs. They will run a ways with 308 in chest. That is however over kill. My favorite is 6.5x55 swede. 243 is light. In swamp 357 or 45 is good. Hog hunting is fun!! daleltaylor@att.net

Boarhunter
June 30, 2005, 10:59 AM
People:

Perhaps you guys will not mind too much if I throw in my two-cents worth.

First, if you care to take a look at another, lengthy thread addressing this very issue, take a look at www.falfiles.com and "click" along the following trail:The FAL Files Forums » Discussion Forums » General Firearms Discussion » Russian Boar (and feral pig) Guns. Fairly entertaining and enlightening discussion.

To date, I have killed two large Russian hogs and one fairly large Razorback in Tennessee, and have personally observed another approximately 25 similar animals killed by my buddies. There is no question but that these are tough animals to bring down, and potentially dangerous if you take a poor shot. But from my experience, I have no doubt but that a .308, reasonably placed, will do the job, particularly if you follow hog shooting tradition and shoot, and continue shooting, until the hog is dead. There is no place for "admiring" the first shot, 'cause that may get you a quick trip to the emergency room.

Having lauded the .308, I personally have never used one to take a hog (but have seen it used with great success many, many times). Personally, my preference is for the big-bores, but that is because I like the big-bores for all my shooting. And I have never been enamored with bolt guns.

My first Russian boar was killed with a Marlin Guide Gun in .45/70. I was shooting a Remington 405 grain jacketed soft point (handload) at about 1500 fps. A fine combination. One dead 325 pound Taliban hog head on the wall.

My second Russian boar was killed with a Magnum Research BFR revolver in .45/70 using the same load as above, but traveling at approximately 1350 fps. Again, a very fine combination. For those of you not familiar with the BFR, you need to get on the Magnum Research web page and take a look for yourself. As nicely made a production handgun as comes down the pike. And at a price that will not permanently break the budget. And different from the 500 Smith, the BFR .45/70 handles well and is not too heavy to carry in the woods. In addition, recoil of this weapon is far more a "push" like a black powder load (unlike the Smith 500, which is like hitting the palm of your hand with a ball peen hammer...I owned one of those only long enough to run 20 rounds through it at the range).

The final hog, a Razorback, was taken with a scandium .44 mag Smith revolver; the first shot (through and through) was at the hog running at about 20 yards, and the finishing shot came a few minutes later at about 10 yards after the dogs brought him to bay. The heavy .44 mag load pushing a Hornady 240 xtp performed just fine.

Where we hunt in Tennessee, the terrain is rough and the woods thick, the hogs are generally moving, and the shots are taken close and quick. Any of the combinations above work just fine under those circumstances.

But in answer to the question whether a .308 will get the job done... no question in my mind but that it will. For what it is worth.

Boarhunter

solvability
June 30, 2005, 12:49 PM
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139198&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

I took a look at Boarhunters post on the other forum - worth a look.

Rich Lucibella
June 30, 2005, 02:53 PM
Yup, the .308 can handily take down a hog...even a big one. I know, 'cuz I've seen me do it. I've also seen me fail to do it.

The issue is at the "margins". If presented with a follow-up "Texas Heart Shot" on a hog, I'll take it with anything I'm carrying.....but I'm not too hopeful about the results from the .308. Same with a frontal shot. Is it "enough gun" for hog? I think so; Is it the "ideal gun"? I don't think so, unless your hunting over a feeder; If that's what I owned, would it require me to get a new wiz-bang smoke pole from hell? Absolutely not.

As so many here have pointed out, shot placement requirements vary inversely with caliber. Still a 45-70 placed slightly off is certainly less efficient than a 180 gr .308 placed perfectly. But it's the issue of how many people report "perfect" placement that always raises my eyebrows.

Either they're hunting over feeders or from blinds or they're truly World Class ...or something else. Perfect example: in the other thread cited, airbiscuit took two hogs at 125 yards 5 seconds apart. First one took one in the head.....OK, I'll buy it. The eyebrow raiser is the second shot, 5 seconds later....the classic, perfect neck shot. Anybody note a factual conflict here?....like either it was tied down, deaf, domestic or RUNNING at the sound of the First shot.

I'll take him at his word that it was wild hog. Therefore, he did a perfect neck shot with a rifle on a running hog at 125 yards. I call that World Class.....or something else.

Moral of the story:
The .308 will do the job. But, if your placement is not perfect with that or any gun, make certain you report THAT story along with all your "one shot kills". Nobody looses an audience quicker than a hunter who never misses.
Rich

solvability
June 30, 2005, 03:44 PM
A friend suggested I post on this since I had used a 30-06 on my last hunt and assumed it would be the same as a .308 - this was my response:


Actually, I used 180 grain from my 06 and it punched right through the shoulder and exited nicely - out near Saturn's moons I think about now. None of my 308s will group with 180 grain bullets - do not know why unless it is the twist. One guy on the hunt shot a pig in the shoulder with a 308 in 150 grain - Nosler bullet - the pig swapped ends and started running and even with dogs they never found it - doubt it would have been different with an 06 but I think the 180 has more punch and of course your 405s from the 45-70 even more - sometimes the margin matters.

I think the angle of the shot, the weight of the bullet and its construction as well as the depth of the gristle plate on the hog that is hit all make a difference - my thought is and was - rather have a bit too much than just not enough - even so I would use a 308 with a well made 150 grain bullet - I think penetration is more important than expansion on hogs - the bone if struck will provide all the shrapnel that you need to stop the hog. That is my limited experience and I hope and intend to have many more.

Boarhunter
July 1, 2005, 10:37 AM
Rich Lucibella,

I find no criticism in your analysis and your suggestions.

Will a .308 work? Certainly, assuming an appropriate bullet is used. Are there more effective cartridges (or better stated, are there cartridges more effective over a broader range of circumstances)? Certainly.

For hunting large wild pig, "better" equates to large caliber cartridge with heavy, tough-constructed bullet designed to maximize penetration. It is not an easy task to penetrate the gristle plate and heavy bones protecting a boar's vitals, even without considering the occasional, sometimes necessary, Texas heart shot. For me, the 45/70, particularly in a warm reloaded format, is as close to ideal as it gets, regardless whether fired from a carbine or a Magnum Research BFR.

Both Russian boar personally taken with the 45/70 were frontal shots, and penetration was more than impressive and effective. I would not have been as confident in those shots were I shooting a "lesser" cartridge, particularly if the bullet were of less than ideal construction. But then again, I am toying with using an AK in the fall, firing the 7.62x39. And my guess is that I will be successful when I do. But it would not be the "ideal" cartridge for hog hunting.

Which gets us to the issue of shot placement.

One would think that a 12 gauge shotgun firing slugs would guarantee one-shot kills on even the largest of Russian hogs, but that is not always the case. It took 5 shots, 45 minutes, and a handful of good dogs to bring down a Russian boar on one trip, because the shooter's shot placement was not particularly good...the first shot took out one of the hog's front legs (only), and the chase was on. Nope, that was not me doing the shooting. But it demonstrates that shot placement is critical, regardless the weapon/caliber selected.

Boarhunter

Rich Lucibella
July 2, 2005, 07:17 AM
For me, the 45/70, particularly in a warm reloaded format, is as close to ideal as it gets
Never thought I'd see me do this but.....
+1
:D

BH-
We're on the same page. I don't think .308 is "ideal" for hog. But if you own a .308 I see no need to buy another gun just for hog.....unless you want another gun. Bottom line, if I could own only one rifle in standard bolt action, it'd probably be a .308.
Rich

Benonymous
July 7, 2005, 04:28 AM
Just to add another story of pig shooting. A friend of mine who is a very seasoned hunter and specialises in pigs here in Australia shoots mostly with a marlin 30.30. He has an old 6-8X (I think) scope on it. He has bagged some impressive animals with this rig but he is a real "old school" hunter. No moonshots for him, he stalks his quarry and takes his shot from the closest possible range.

He bagged a nice little boar on his last hunt, offhand, running with his 22.250 Tikka with a Leupold scope, not sure of the mag, up to 24 I think. If you didn't know this guy you'd say "lucky shot!" With the 22.250 he always places his shot behind the ear (his particular shot wasn't behind the ear, it was a neck shot on a non-trophy sized boar) He told me this as I was admiring a big boar head on his wall (he does the taxidermy himself too) and sure enough, upon examination, the hole was there.

This was a trophy boar too not an adolescent. The trophy wan't moving when shot BTW :) and he got it with the 30.30.

Anyway, the lesson is that its the stalk that gets you in a position to make a clean kill with a smaller caliber. I think a hog would be gone no problems if my friend was shooting a .308! :D

He is planning to get a .308 to take on his 'round Australia trip next year. He really wants to tip over a Water Buffalo, I was trying to talk him into a .338 Lapua but he said "nah! the 308 will be enough"

zeisloft
July 8, 2005, 12:54 PM
I'm not sure if this has been beat to death yet or not but heres my $.02.
Sometimes we hunt for sport, sometimes for meat, somedays we may want to lay up on a hill top and and make that 500yd long shot. Sometimes I miss, sometimes I dont, but on those days I bring the 300 WM, shooting pad, bipod, and the standard range gear. This is shooting at live targets, not hunting.

There are times when you need a broad sword and times to use a scalple. I enjoy both. I mainly hunt hogs with a 22Hornet, 222, and 22-250. However, on the hip is the big iron. 44 loaded to the hilt with the big 300 grainers. As for the 45, good if you can get them to stay broadside, but angry hogs dont stay broadside. We have bounced some 45s off the scull of some big hogs, after skinning the skulls (for educational purposes) we found the bullets only cut tiny furrows. Head on is a poor angle of attack with a 45 and a 300#+ hog. And yes, light guns will bring them down, it may take a few shots if the first one isnt at the base of the ear. One night a friend and I were sittin up for them on a hill (me 22 Hornet him 22-250) and a big feller came out at ~ 175 yd. Took 4 shots from the 250 and 4 from the Hornet and alot of running on our part but he finally fell to a Hornet in the skull at about 15yds.

Then there are the thick brush runnin and gunnin hunts, Salt marsh, yaupon brush, mesqete, or river bottons. For this I like the 44, a good hot 357 (my load uses 35 Wheelen stitzer bullets seated in 38 spec cases runnin hot out of a Smith 686) and 870 Express mag #2 buck and a partner. These hunts start as a stalk and end with alot of heavy breathin. One note ESTABLISH LANES OF FIRE and do this well before it starts to get western.

As for the 300 WM for hogs, it works. As to getting a new gun for the purpose of hog hunting, get it if you want one. Heck, I wanted a .308 for hog huntin, got a 7-08 instead. I still want a .308. If you need a reason to buy a new gun...well its friday, go buy a new gun.

Long Path
July 8, 2005, 09:17 PM
A whole lot of this has to do with hunting for the rifle you're carrying.

Rich is absolutely right about shot placement usually being a matter of how you hunt. If you plan to walk up or jump your hogs, better carry enough gun. If you plan to ambush or stand-hunt your hogs, you can step it down a little, because you'll have more leisure.

Rich saw me (from a mesa about 900 yards away) stalk up on some hogs and push my stalk too far before they cut and ran across a clearing. I was hoping to pistol the far one. :rolleyes: Now, as I started into that clearing, I could have taken the far one (~80 yards) with a scoped .223 to the earhole, if I had taken a rest on that nearby mesquite tree-- she never knew I was there. But I didn't because:
[A]That's not the kind of hunt I wanted to have, and
[B]I wasn't carrying a scoped .223. :)

But when the near hog raised the alarm, and the far hog ran, and I launched a shot at the far hog-- I did so with the knowledge that a .35 Whelen pushing a Sierra 225g at 2500 fps will thump a hog, if I can hit the boiler room. Unfortunately, I didn't do my part, and I threw my shot (high, it felt), and I missed it clean. No blood, no hide, definitely no thump of bullet hitting hide. 10 minutes later I snap-shot again at a hog at about 100 yards as it disappeared behind some brush, and again missed. I'll claim brush deflection on that one... :rolleyes:

While I didn't cover myself with any kind of glory on that occasion, I can definitely say that I was carrying at least a minimum caliber to be trying such shots. I would NEVER try such things with a light deer caliber-- I've seen hard-hit hogs run off before. The only times I've used light cartridges (.30-30 from a trapper carbine and a .22 Hornet) on hog, it was because the hogs were targets of opportunity, were cooperating for my shot, and were small animals (well, I thought the hornet hog was smaller...). I wouldn't recommend light cartridges for designated hog use, if running 'em down.

alan
July 8, 2005, 10:46 PM
Re "I was told the 308 is to light", while the 308 does not have quite the punch of the 30-06 and some others, as to it being "to light", what might it be that you plan to shoot at?

When I was competing actively in High Power Match Shooting, I found that out to and including 600 yards, I could do better with the 308 than I could with an equivalent quality rifle in 30-06, and good ammunition (Handloads). Beyond 600 yards, meaning 1000 yards, I did much better with the 30-06. I never could shoot effectively with the 308 at 1000 yards. Other people obviously could, I couldn't.

I realize that hunting and target shooting are not the same things, however I could hold 10 ring elevation (12" at 600 yards) with iron sights on a 308 bolt gun. Did you ever take a shot at game at 600 yards?

Lawyer Daggit
July 9, 2005, 03:02 AM
The 'arm chair expert' you spoke to really does not know what he is talking about.

I have shot most of the wild pig I have taken with a .222 because it has been what I have been carrying at the time that the opportunity arose.

THe .222 is I think a bit too light and creates a need for good bullet placement and often a second shot.

More suited is the 7.62x39 or 30-30. .308 would be ideal. Anything heavier is a matter of choice, but is un-necessary.

Boarhunter
July 9, 2005, 11:06 AM
Although a bit of a distraction from the central theme of this thread, an account I recently read from "The Wit and Wisdom of Abraham Lincoln" struck me as both humorous and instructive and certainly worthy of sharing with others interested in the pursuit of slaying the mighty hog:

BRAVERY

No one can succeed all alone. Even the bravest heroes need help from time to time. To illustrate this fact, Abraham Lincoln told the following story:

"Back in the early days, a hunting party went out to track a wild boar. But the game came upon them unexpectedly, and they all scrambled toward the treetops, all save one, the bravest hunter of them all, who, seizing the animal by the ears, undertook to hold the beast. After holding it for some time and finding his strength giving way, the hero cried out to his companions in the trees:

"'Boys, come down and help me let go!'"


My guess is that those of you who have hunted hogs long enough understand exactly what the "hero" was saying.

And along those same lines is the Jerry Clowers punchline that goes something like this: Shoot up here amongst us, one of us needs some relief!

Pretty good stuff. Thought I would share.

Boarhunter

2rugers
August 25, 2005, 01:49 PM
just use the knife.

Clayfish
August 25, 2005, 03:30 PM
check this guy out

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/03/22/hogzilla_is_real_and.html

diggs
August 25, 2005, 06:26 PM
I'm going hog hunting in AK in Sept. I'm taking a .243, however, I'll be in a stand. I'll let everyone know how it turns out(especially if I bag a big one).
This is my first time and I'm pumped wish me luck.

diggs

chemist308
August 25, 2005, 06:52 PM
Truth be told the 308 is probably a bit too much. Worries about the exit would are most likely related to the fact that the bullet hits so fast and hard it goes straight through. You can buy 308 hunting rounds that will mushroom well and have been 'stepped down' a bit for lighter game like whitetail and hog.
To tell the truth I accidently gut shot a deer with mine last year. A hunter who saw the deer pass by said he'd have put it down for me, but there was so much visible damage (guts hanging out) that he figured the deer would go down within a hundred yards or so. I proceeded to track what looked like a 2 mile murder scene--blood and parts of that poor animal everywhere. Lesson learned is shot placement. Use even a 500 Nitro with poor shot placement and you lose the animal. Yet a well placed 22 rimfire round at proper range will drop anything in North America. Oh, and I know there's a bit of a difference here, but when my grandpa wanted to butcher a pig or a bull he used a 22 short to put the animal down.

here piggy piggy
August 25, 2005, 08:18 PM
I remove hogs from state land here in FL and don't use anything more than a .223 to get the job done. I use 55grn barnes X-bullets, 55grn trophy bonded bear claws or 60grn nosler partitions, and they do the job. BUT you have to have good shot placement (hit the earhole or between the ear and neck). This will take any size hog if done properly. Is the .308 too much gun? No way, but for me it was easier to master and repeatedly shoot well with a smaller caliber...and with the great bullets we have available today the .223 will take care of deer, too (if your state allows it). I have a .44mag (SW629 light hunter) in a bandolier holster in case of a charging animal I can't take down with the rifle, but I have never had to use it for that. I have shot plenty of pigs with the .44 mag and it drops em quick, but the muzzle blast and temporary hearing loss takes the fun out of it for me (I don't like hearing protection in the field, and I can't afford the expensive game ear type thingies). You can use claymore mines and grenades if you want, but lighter calibers will do the job if you do your part.

sum-rifle
August 29, 2005, 12:50 AM
They have Wild Pigs in Alaska?

diggs
September 12, 2005, 01:55 PM
I miss typed, sorry in AR.

diggs

C Philip
September 12, 2005, 05:59 PM
A little off topic, but how would the 8mm Mauser round preform for hog hunting?

chemist308
September 12, 2005, 07:17 PM
If a 308 will, an 8mm (German equivalent of the US military 30-06) surely will.

Perhaps we should use the 500 Nitro for deer...

Hello123
September 12, 2005, 10:52 PM
Curious how 308 FMJ round would do? What kind of wound channel?

C Philip
September 13, 2005, 11:15 AM
FMJ rounds are generally not a good idea for hunting. The wound channel would be very small, since FMJ round does not expand. Unless you hit the central nervous system (brain, spinal cord, etc.) or the heart, the animal would probably run for a long time and die in pain some time later. Not really an ethical hunting bullet. And if you don't care about ethics, it's prety much just plain ineffective. Over penetration with FMJ is also an issue.

shureshot0471
October 2, 2005, 12:22 AM
.308 ha what kinda necular power plant you huntin around the biggest hog I have ever seen in TX weighed only about 500 pounds and a .243 would deffintaly take care of him if you are un shure aim for his head

H&H,hunter
October 6, 2005, 11:13 AM
The biggest hog I've ever killed I killed it with a .308 and a 180gr nosler with one shot.

Hit the heart and lungs and ole porky went about 50 yards and piled up.

I've also seen a smallish hog take 4 or 5 .45-70's outside of the zone and not go down.

Rich is correct in his post. Shotplacement is not about waiting for the animal to turn broadside when you are shooting a caliber capable of serious penetration. In this case shot placement is about putting a bullet in the boiler room and it can be done from any angle with the right rifle.

A .308 is marginal on a BIG hog from less than good angles.

When I say BIG hog I mean narly tough old boar going over the 300lb mark. Not your average little ole wild piggy.

These two here are getting into the larger wild hog catagory though niether are really big hogs.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/GTAllyn/Nicehog1webready1.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y187/GTAllyn/nicepig2.jpg

Rich Lucibella
October 6, 2005, 11:34 AM
Hey Greg-
Welcome home.
Rich

CobrayCommando
October 6, 2005, 12:45 PM
I think its like big game hunting. You can hunt elephant and cape buffalo with a .375 or 9.3x62, most people do. But there are hunting rifles and stopping rifles when it comes to big game. Stopping rifles are often in .458 Lott and larger. You don't use expanding bullets when hunting these animals so even a slightly larger hole makes a big difference. Of course I've seen videos of a cape buffalo soaking up just under ten of these .45 caliber slugs and a few larger.

So your .22 caliber high powered rifle would be a hunting rifle if you're a good shot (as long as extreme ranges aren't expected), but something larger might be desired in case that thing decides it doesn't want to die just yet.

H&H,hunter
October 6, 2005, 04:08 PM
Hey Greg
Welcome home.
Rich.



Thanks Rich it's nice to be back. :)

Harley Quinn
October 6, 2005, 10:16 PM
Only thing they allowed. So we did it. Goats also.
60 pound Smithwick Citation. Prior to the compound.

Tom Jennings circa 1965/66. It was scary but the thing is you shoot them in the lungs let um run, track um. Lots of cactus over on the Islands Catalina and Santa Cruz. These animals were over running the Islands and we got to go in and hunt them. No guns only Spears, Knives and Bows and Arrows.

The spear was back-up, Had a piece of material going 90 degrees to stop the spear from going in to deep. It was very efficent. Kept them off of you, sometime you went out in pairs one for protection with the spear. Others were always loners. They usually bring the bacon home.

It was a good time. I remember one time a fellow nut was in the path of a charging Boar, let his arrow fly, went into the chest slight angle and stayed in the animal. He bled out down the trail but not before he ran the guy off into the cactus...LOL we picked cactus spears out of him all night at the camp fire, but he got his Boar. He was so pumped and drunk while we were doing it he did not care... LOL Those were the days.

The arrow that we recovered looked like a twisted snake (helped bleed him out) It was an aluminum easton arrow. Some liked wood some liked alum, and others liked fiberglass.

Same old arguements about the best arrow or the best weight of bow. Or the best bow..LOL Same o Same o. I like the Ben Pearson tip because... No I like the Fred Bear tip with razor blades...No, I like the bodkin...On and On..LOL

I am sure the 308 is plenty of gun. Shot placement is the key. Don't shoot unless you have a shot. Simple. Try sneaking up on a hog in the brush with a Bow and Arrow. Rainy season is best. Fun LOL...True story if you don't believe it, don't. Been there done that, as they say. No Guts no glory.

Harley

MR-7-45
October 7, 2005, 07:34 AM
I have done a lot of hog hunting. I don't hunt from a blind or stand. I stalk. This thread is pretty worn but here goes. I usually use a Marlin 1890S in .44 mag with Hornady HP/XTP bullets. Most of the shots are 50 to 100 yards. It does a great job and drops them in their tracks.

I have also used a M1A loaded with .308 Win 150gr Speer softpoints. Also works well. The military issue FMJ will also work fine.

I have a Marlin MR-7 in .30-06. I have shot both hog and javelina with it.

Recently, a friend took down a small hog with a well placed (behind the ear) shot with an HMR177.

A .308 is fine for hog. Bullet placement is the key.

Evader1
October 7, 2005, 02:52 PM
Hey guys since you all seem very wise about boar hunting I'm looking to do it for my first time. I have a Remmington 700bdl in a .308. I live in Pa (outside of phila) and am wondering where a good place to go for boar is. I'm not looking to travel to far and would be driving there. So if you recommend a good place or outfitter let me know! Thanks

cje1980
October 7, 2005, 05:20 PM
This is similar to when people ask for a recommended self-defense firearm for black bear. People will tell you that they are 15ft tall and weigh 1500lbs and that you need an Abrams tank to kill them. Many people kill hogs and black bears with 357Mag and 44Mag revolvers.