Florida--looking better & better

[MoW]

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/apnews/stories/040505/D899A8KO0.shtml

[hawken50]

That's it. i'm moving.

[Wraith]

That's about the best smile I had all day. :)

[Trip20]

I hate Wisconsin.

[snacktrack]

This bill just makes sense. Why shouldnt people that are attacked be able to defend themselves? This bill does not allow people to go around provoking fights, only to defend when attacked. If you can do it in your home, why shouldnt you be able to do it wherever you go?

[XavierBreath]

The sad thing is a legislative bill had to pass to allow people to do what they already should have a right to do.

At least Florida is in the process of restoring rights rather than taking them away.

[fwcofficer]

I don't really see how it helps, I mean with or without the bill, if you felt your life was in danger you had the right to shoot? Am I right?

[Whiskey Tango]

Yes but the laws protect you from prosecution and civil suit from the BG and his family etc, that's where its value is. Not to mention without the duty to retreat, I assume one no longer needs to cower in the face of danger in their home or car.

[GUNSMOKE45441]

OOOORRRAAAHHHH!!!!! Like Bush says it's common sense.
The Dems in NY. would dirty themselves if anyone proposed that.

[brett23]

I hate Wisconsin.


I Love Florida. :D

[dasmi]

I hate California.
"I'm sorry people, but if I'm attacked I shouldn't have a duty to retreat," said the bill's sponsor, Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala. "That's a good way to get shot in the back."
Makes sense to me.

[stephen426]

Before you guys all pack up and move down here...

Don't forget what happened last summer with 4 freaking hurricanes, the mosquitos big enough to swat you back, and humidity so thick you need a machete to cut through.

On the other hand, no state income tax is a MAJOR plus. Good luck trying to find something in the Miami area though. Housing prices are flat out rediculous!

[MX5]

Have you guys read the language of the bill? A person will still need to convince a jury they acted reasonably. Bills are nice, jury instructions are what matters.

[Jkwas]

I bought my guns after the hurricanes. No phone, no electric, no cops, no security. You're on your own. :eek:

[Whiskey Tango]

Have you guys read the language of the bill? A person will still need to convince a jury they acted reasonably. Bills are nice, jury instructions are what matters.

You are absolutely right, and I don't think be that hard to prove its unreasonable to defend yourself when a person pulls a gun/knife on you wherever you are.

Then again, a jury did acquit OJ...

[Duxman]

In America, you are innocent until you are bankrupt.

Florida is a cool place to live. Although there is a high crime rate - there are a lot of beach babes there - which makes the hurricanes almost tolerable.

Enjoy your new law Floridians!!

[stephen426]

Darn, I forgot to mention the beach babes!!! Miami has a lot of super hotties. Your chances are better than average too as many of the buff beach bums are homos! :p :eek: :D .

As for Jkwas... you should have bought the guns before the hurricane. It could have been too late for you if things got really bad. I remember right after Hurrican Andrew, the freaking looters in the Cutler Ridge area were out in force before anyone else. Firearms are also handy for the jackasses that price gouge on stuff since they are in high demand. It is amazing how catastrophic events bring out the best in many poeple but bring out the worst in some. :mad: :confused: :barf:

[Jkwas]

Yeah, well I had the shotgun for the hurricanes, but I felt that a pistol would be quicker to put into action, and easier to carry around, especially in the car.
we had looters in our subdivision as well. Kind of shook us up. :(

[jburtonpdx]

Ohio sucks

[Shamus]

jburtonpdx
Ohio sucks

Ditto





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[jburtonpdx]

Shamus
You did that just to have one more post then me huh?

[9mmsnoopy]

hell florida, bout time ya'll get with the program. ;)


and btw our mosquitoes are bigger than yours,our humidity is thicker than yours too. i live smack dab on the gulf so ya'll can win the hurricane title :rolleyes:

[stephen426]

Hey 9mmSnoopy,

This isn't a friggin contest. If I could pack up and send you our mosquito and humidity, I'd gladly let you have first place. You guys have state income taxes so the advantage goes to Florida. :p

[gb_in_ga]

Hmm, now if 9mmsnoopy is in the Houston area (where I'm originally from), and Houston is in Texas (last I checked it still is), and they haven't changed anything since I left back in '99 (and they haven't), then no, Texas still doesn't have a state income tax.

http://www.taxesindepth.com/state-taxes-Texas.html

[9mmsnoopy]

we have NO state income tax in Texas........ YET

[stephen426]

Okay. I didn't know Texas doesn't have state taxes either. Thats great! Are we done with this competition yet? We have hotter women! There! I know Dallas has their cheer leaders though but that is far from the norm!

[dolanp]

We still need to get protection from civil suits in Texas. Other than that the gun laws are pretty good, and yes no state income tax (state prefers to steal your money via property taxes instead ;) ).

[Any .45]

I left Florida, and went to Wisconssin for school after I fugured they took state taxes away from my paycheck and no CCW permits i left and came home to lovely Miami,Fl which I hate just because the traffic. Now I do love the our gorgeous Latinas that we have an abundance of.

[stephen426]

Wisconson $ucks!!! My cousin got killed there in a car accident. He hit some black ice and spun into oncoming traffic. He leaves behind a baby daughter and a young wife.

Any .45,
Don't complain so much about Miami traffic. Go to LA, New York, and Atlanta, and then reasses your complaint. What part of Miami are you in? Certain parts are worse than others for traffic.

[LAK]

Texas has a sales tax of 6.25% too. Local (city etc) sales taxes can bring this to a combined maximum of 8.25%.

[9mmsnoopy]

yea but who has more illegal immigrants mooching off of the taxpayers? unfortunately, i think its Texas.

[markdido]

Okay. I didn't know Texas doesn't have state taxes either. Thats great! Are we done with this competition yet? We have hotter women! There! I know Dallas has their cheer leaders though but that is far from the norm!


Hmmmmmmm

Florida babes in bikinis......

Texas girls in tight jeans and cowboy hats....

Tough Decision! ;)

[abelew]

About florida, depending on where you move, a lot of the crime isn't really a big deal, to the normal armed citizen. Think about it. Florida is a state that is frequented by many seasonal residents. They flock down here in the winter, and leave in the summer. Most of those b&e's are empty homes, because the criminals know that they have a low chance of getting cought/prosecuted because it's less expensive for them to just let the case go, versus travling down here to put the BG in jail. Also, because of the high elderly population, most of the crimes, at least around the Bradenton area are crimes that are done by cowards, they steal/rob from the elderly who can't really put up that good of a fight, and don't pose a risk to the BG. Not right, but if you are middle aged, and don't look like a frail democrat, you don't have much to worry about (cept the high cost of living, hurricane season, hot summers, seasonal residents that can't drive to save their lives, and the high crime (Lol). Anyhow.....anywhere you go has crime, even though it looks bad on paper, it's not as bad as it sounds.

[big daddy 9mm]

I hope that happenes in ohio, does anyone know how picky the laws are in ohio. please give me your opinions :confused: :confused: :confused: :o :o

[ron8903]

Yes it's nice not having to run for your life.
open carry would be nice, but i don't look for that any time soon.
We had some looting here, but not as bad as the islands, all the bridges were closed and the bad guys were in boats. made it hard to catch them

[JRLaws]

Sounds like Florida is on the right track.

I know Kentucky has its problems, but Kentucky's gun laws are some of the best I have seen.
Shall issues CCP.
Open carry for citizens and out of state legal gun owners.
And you just gotta love this:
In the 1931 case of Gibson v. Commonwealth, the Kentucky Court of Appeals summarized Kentucky jurisprudence on self-defense in a very definitive, and somewhat emphatic, manner. "It is the tradition that a Kentuckian never runs. He does not have to…he is not obligated to retreat, nor to consider whether he can safely retreat, but is entitled to stand his ground, and meet any (life-threatening) attack made upon him with a deadly weapon…." Gibson v. Commonwealth, 34 SW 936 (Ky. 1931).
:D :D Nearly brings a tear to my eye, every time I read it.

[wayneinFL]

Traffic in Miami does suck. Sorry. And crime in Miami sucks, too. Maybe not as bad as NYC and LA, but it sucks just the same. Fortunately I'm north of there. Further south the worse it gets. It's a shame, but I think any city with a port is going to have smuggling and enough of a transient population to have problems.

Funny looter story: My neighbor's kind of a weird guy. He and a friend stood at the side of the road in a hard hit rural area around here. My neighbor wore his old fatigues and was carrying a chinese AK. I have to assume his friend was doing about the same thing. You'd kinda have to know this guy. When he told me this I couldn't help letting out a bit of a chuckle. He said a car turned down the road and when the driver saw them, stopped dead in the road, stared at them, then pulled down a cross street and turned around. My neighbor took down the Dade County plate number, and reported them to the Sheriff's Dept. Turned out they were looters from Miami who had a bunch of stolen property in the car.

I can't imagine what Miami must have been like after Andrew.

As for house prices- Good for me, bad for people who didn't own houses 2 or 3 years ago. I know places where lots were for sale $1000 to $3000 a few years ago and are $40000-$80000 now. My house three years ago was $65,000, now around $200,000. There's gotta be plenty of new millionaires around.

[LAK]

JRLawsIn the 1931 case of Gibson v. Commonwealth, the Kentucky Court of Appeals summarized Kentucky jurisprudence on self-defense in a very definitive, and somewhat emphatic, manner. "It is the tradition that a Kentuckian never runs. He does not have to…he is not obligated to retreat, nor to consider whether he can safely retreat, but is entitled to stand his ground, and meet any (life-threatening) attack made upon him with a deadly weapon…." Gibson v. Commonwealth, 34 SW 936 (Ky. 1931).
I like that too.

While retreat sometimes might be prudent - and an option - it should never be compelled. Sometimes attempting to retreat or flee puts one in the greater danger.

I also like the option of carrying openly or concealed.

[big daddy 9mm]

I live in ohio and I amnot quite about how picky the guns laws are here. I know about packing.org and have read on that site alot but can anyone tell me about the little details, is it ok to print, and stuff like that, any help would be awesome!
thanks any packers here in ohio give me your info and exsperience :confused: :D :cool:

[Mannlicher]

This is of course, a good thing. Too bad it has been necessitated by the huge amount of violent crime in the Sunshine State.
Here in Miami, you had best be on at least "Orange" alert at all times, and for goodness sake, take your Roscoe.

[TrunkMonkey]

I have a feeling the violent crime rate is about to drop at a pretty good clip here in Florida.

Say you're a BG. Before, people had to at least TRY to get away before they could do anything. Now, you're still the BG, but if YOU are the one to TRY anything...You might very well not be going home that night.

Do I really think a lot more BGs will be getting shot/retaliated upon? No. But the option is there, and it may just scare them enough to work. A little intimidation goes a long way.