Police Vid.. warning this is shocking

[accordingtome]

I thought i would share this with you guys as its gun related i hope this does not get locked. This is why you should always search your suspect before you take them in.

WARNING.. not for faint of heart :eek:

click this to get to the forum with the thread.. then click the link...

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=253550

[chris in va]

If it's the guy that pulled a 1911 in the interrogation room, we saw it already.

[accordingtome]

damn sorry for the repost... i didn't know as there are such a limited topics to post under on this site i had no idea..

look for that thread
:rolleyes:
iranian police wemon.. looking HOT

[Double Naught Spy]

Well, I had not seen it and when I did a search using a variety of terms, I could not find it on this forum. I don't like reposts either, but if it was posted here already, I missed it and can't find it.

The family was in the room and I ran the vid w/o sound, the screened turned where the family could not see the video.

The casualness of the guy who commits suicide is interesting. Also interesting was the slowness of the gun dropping from his hand. I would have expected the drop to go faster based on other videos I have seen of brain shots where the whole person collapses instantly. The gun arm even seems to contract, flexing the bicep and raising the forearm slightly.

So, is this a fake suicide or real? If it was a police interrogation monitor video, I was surprised to not see the typical documentary date and time stamp. The guy fumbles with his hand and mouth, then drinks water, then a little more, then shoots himself. I was wondering if he could have put some sort of die pack in his mouth and used the water to create the volume of flow shown that exited his mouth. I was sort of surprised to see that much blood exiting the mouth after a temple shot, but not see flow from the nose. I realize it can happen, but it just doesn't seem likely.

Of course, that does not explain the blood that appears to exit the side of the head.

[USP45usp]

I hadn't seen that vid before. Not going against ya Chris, just never saw it.

The cop that comes in afterward was abit too "cool" with the situation. Just picks up some things off the counter and walks out. I don't have sound yet (buying speakers tomorrow) but I don't know. And, where the gun was, and even though I take all the chances that I can to bash them (cops) when I think they did wrong, they wouldn't have missed a full sized 1911 (or was it?) firearm in that area. They really search that area because it's a favorite hiding place.

But, as was said, at least the idiot only took himself out and not the other person. Darwin wins again?

Wayne

[NSO_w/_SIG]

I posted it back in Dec. or Jan.............. Title was Searcing a suspect..... the one that got away!

[Double Naught Spy]

That was a bugger to find. You didn't provide a link and you incorrectly spelled and puncutated the title such that the title search would not find it. So it was posted in December, but few people saw it apparently.

Here is a link from that other thread that includes the text of what supposedly happened.
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/man_commits_suicide_inside_interview_room_suicide_video_included_videotaped_Dec_20_2004.html

Judging by Ayoob's documentation of cause and effect with unmarked squad cars, this guy must have been brought to the station in an unmarked car. http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166597&highlight=ayoobian

After having read the text, you have to wonder why they would even leave the guy unsecured and alone in the interview room if he had just shot a deputy during a traffic stop.

As for the Darwinian concept, did Darwin win? I doubt it. My guess is that the guy probably did have kids and as such, he has passed on his genes. That means that while he did take himself out of the population, his genes remained. As such, there is nothing Darwinian here.

[brett23]

It is a real vid, the police departments around here use it as one of there training vids.

[USP45usp]

Thanks DNS,

I guess that I missed it when first posted. Depending on the traffic on any given day here, I've seen posts disappear rather quickly and get lost in the void.

As for the Darwin award, it was nice to at least think that his genes weren't spread but you're most likely correct on that one also.

Wayne

[NSO_w/_SIG]

The orginal thread title is not spelled incorrectly and to tell you the truth I didn't look it back up to see what the title was I was just going by what I thought I titled it. Anyway I was just pointing out that it was posted before. I don't care that it was reposted. Sorry you missed it but I don't title threads with the consideration of how easy it will be to find using the search feature.

[MrBill]

Didn't see the video. But the comments regarding the Darwin award are a bit misplaced, I believe. The award would go to the officers involved. Damn lucky the guy was cool enough to just take himself. Surviving a stupid situation you created, by the sheer politeness of another, does not make you "street savy" or "professional", just damn lucky for a dumbass.

[monco]

Very disturbing and sad. Snopes.com has a good writeup of this incident:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/gruesome/interrogate.asp

[haskell]

Sad? Shot a cop on a traffic stop. Don't care if the scrot shot himself,but how many cops could he have taken with him? Pat them down sound like a good idea? Oh!, I guess you can hide a large frame handgun.

[monco]

Yeah, I think it's sad when someone takes their own life. Call me crazy...

[haskell]

OK, your crazy

[spacemanspiff]

well he did save the taxpayers a lot of money. what with incarceration, prosecution, etc.

he did himself and everyone else a favor. if only more violent criminals would do the same.

[univtxattorney]

the incompetence of the officers involved in the incident. I don't know about you, but if I were a LEO who was arresting a guy for shooting a fellow LEO, I might check the guy for guns.

[monco]

Sounds like he made a desperate mistake and then despaired and took his own life. Wonder if you'd be so nonchalant if it was someone you were close to.

The machismo is so thick in here sometimes it stinks. :rolleyes:

[haskell]

Well, I'm all broke up over that poor desparate cop shooter. How about feeling sad for the cop with two in the gut? His family? Nobody I know would shoot a cop,and you are right , :barf: it sure does stink in here. END.

[spacemanspiff]

yes i am nonchalant. i have had family members commit suicide. over trivial reasons, nonetheless.

everyone makes mistakes every day. not everyone commits criminal acts every day.
good people die. bad people die.
loved ones die of natural causes. loved ones die prematurely from unnatural causes.

has nothing to do with machismo. simply a realistic outlook on life and the way some people deal with their problems.

weep and mourn for the innocent.
breath a sigh of relief when bad guys cease to exist.

[monco]

Of course I feel for the cop and his family too, and I want to see bad guys brought to justice, I just hate seeing a guy give up on life so fast. I hope I never get so callous that I can look at something like that and feel nothing.

[snacktrack]

No matter how guilty the guy is, its a shame who has to clean up that mess. Dont they have special cleanup companies that remove the mess from dead bodies?

I do have to say, why wouldnt you frisk someone who was being questioned for shooting a cop? I could see if you didnt frisk him and he was a witness in a case and you brought him in for questioning but, thats ridiculous.

[univtxattorney]

I want to see bad guys brought to justice

This bad guy was brought to justice, IMHO.

[3 weelin geezer]

What if he was innocent this time even if he was a felon? If he could see the law catch the real killer from the hereafter wouldn't it be disappointing? Whats so shocking about this anyways? We all have to die sometime. Some like to get to the grave in their sleep all peaceful like and boring then there are those who prefer to skid in sideways with a beer in one hand and pizza in the other, body all used up and tattered yelling WOOOO HOOO!!! WHAT A RIDE!!

[Fred Hansen]

Of course I feel for the cop and his family too,How noble. I find it absolutely amazing that people can get so teary eyed over a murderer and only think of the innocent victim as a tossed away afterthought. Truly amazing.and I want to see bad guys brought to justice,Did you not see the video?I just hate seeing a guy give up on life so fast.He gave up (forfeited) his life when he took the life of another without just cause. Too bad, so sad.

What exactly was he supposed to do with the rest of his life? Eat the food provided to him by the taxes of surviving members of the victim's family? Or maybe pump some iron so he could be in good enough shape to murder whatever poor boob who has the thankless job of guarding his sorry carcass? What exactly should we all have been looking forward to from this wonderful human being?

A mistake is keeping a rented video an extra night too long. A desperate mistake is skidding your car into a tree because you were driving too fast.

Shooting someone for no reason is murder, not a damned mistake.

[lcgriff]

I'm going to have to go with Monco on this. I too think it is sad when a person is in such despair that they see suicide as the only alternative. I get as mad as the next guy when someone willfully tries to harm a LEO and I think all criminals need stiff sentences, even death. Having had a close family member commit suicide, you see how much hurt it causes your family because you are in no way prepared for it. Both the action of shooting a cop and commiting suicide cause a great deal of pain to both families.

[univtxattorney]

But they don't go around killing or maiming cops. If you are going to eat a bullet, at least have the courtesy to kill yourself and not try to take a police officer who works to protect you and your family. Remember, this cop would have taken a bullet to protect this guy. Remember that when this guy's family goes to bed, it is this cop that is protecting them. Remember that this cop performs a heroic service for little pay. Remember that the perp. is the one who caused all of this pain, for both his family and for the cop's. Remember all of these things when you are weeping for the perp.

[fwcofficer]

I don't feel the least bit sorry for that BG. He made a decision and had to deal with the consequences. I do admire the fact that he realized his life was over, and did not put more stress on the legal system. If the cop that got shot was your family member, you would be singing an entirely different tune.

[monco]

How noble. I find it absolutely amazing that people can get so teary eyed over a murderer and only think of the innocent victim as a tossed away afterthought. Truly amazing.

Not an afterthought at all. The video of Cerna shooting himself was the subject of this thread.

He gave up (forfeited) his life when he took the life of another without just cause.

Justice would have been life in prison. Try reading next time, tough guy:

"The circumstances behind this video took place on 19 December 2003, when 47-year-old Ricardo Alfonso Cerna was stopped for a traffic violation at about 9:30 A.M. in Muscoy (a residential suburb of San Bernardino County, about 60 miles east of Los Angeles). Cerna fled the scene (in his car and then on foot) before shooting the pursuing officer, sheriff's deputy Michael Parham, twice in the abdomen. (Deputy Parham survived the shooting.)"

[monco]

I'm going to have to go with Monco on this. I too think it is sad when a person is in such despair that they see suicide as the only alternative. I get as mad as the next guy when someone willfully tries to harm a LEO and I think all criminals need stiff sentences, even death. Having had a close family member commit suicide, you see how much hurt it causes your family because you are in no way prepared for it. Both the action of shooting a cop and commiting suicide cause a great deal of pain to both families.

Agreed. There's a lot of tough-talkers here...remind me of the kid in the movie "Unforgiven", who was just aching to shoot someone, but found out it wasn't all it was cracked up to be when he finally had to.

[Double Naught Spy]

Sure, feel sorry for the families. That is fine, but that doesn't mean you need to feel any sorrow for Cerna himself.

A lot of people can't separate out these aspects and somehow think that just becasue there isn't love lost for some bad guy such as Cerna that there is no care for his family. So while it may be a horrific thing for Cerna's family, much of society can benefit from his removal.

As spacemanspiff said, weep for the innocent. However, Cerna himself was not innocent. No tears there.

[FirstFreedom]

Unbelievable that they didn't find the gun when patting him down, given that he was arrested *for shooting at officers*. And it's a full-sized steel gun too. Lucky the lowlife decided to do the world a favor and off himself instead of killing one or more officers.

[OF]

There's a lot of tough-talkers here...remind me of the kid in the movie "Unforgiven", who was just aching to shoot someone, but found out it wasn't all it was cracked up to be when he finally had to.You've got alot to learn if you think that comparison is apt around here.

If you'd stow the contempt, quit stereotyping and open your ears a bit you might discover that you aren't the only one in here who 'understands' what this is all about.

The high horse is not always the best place to sit when you're trying to have a conversation.

- Gabe

[monco]

GRD - Please...I didn't say everyone. There's a lot of testosterone flying around in these forums, whether you choose to ignore it or not.

[haskell]

:D This has nothing to do with tough-talkers or testoterone. It is a conviction that a BG is a BG, and your not going to find a lot of sympathy because he took the quick way out. Had he not shot a LEO, we all would be typing about fiearms (I hope) I'm starting to get the urge for a an old s&w .32 long. model 31-1 3". This handgun thing, what a great addiction.

[OF]

There's a lot of testosterone flying around in these forums, One, you say that like it's a bad thing and, two, just because no one is shedding a tear for the dear departed doesn't mean we're heartless and cruel.

You could just as easily see the comments as 'worldly', 'stoic', 'pragmatic', 'objective' or even 'realistic'. :) It could also be said that you are being overly sentimental rather than we are being callous. The guy tried to kill someone, after all. Survey says: good riddance.

- Gabe

[spacemanspiff]

hey has anyone seen my testosterone? it flew right offa me before i went home last night. gotta be around here somewhere.......


:D

[OF]

LOOK OUT! <ziiiiing!> there it goes now...

That was a close one. Anyone got a net?

- Gabe

[Duxman]

So much for the effectiveness of the "Mexican" carry. That was a full size 1911. This guy was not exactly tall nor large. How he hid that effectively should be the mystery here.

Now, that being said, the LEO lived to fight another day (good news) and the BG ate a bullet. (sad that a human life was wasted, but then again it was self-inflicted)

If someone does not care enough about themselves to live on, why should the rest of us shed a tear.

Sucide is a selfish, cowardly act. Hey, sorry to break it to you buddy, but whether it was a bad guy or a family member who killed themselves they did it because they cannot face the reality of their lives, or some past action that they did.

Life is precious, those who decide to waste it like this, deserve no sympathy. Do you think they decided to save money so that their family can pay for the funeral, or that their kids would be provided for?

[Fred Hansen]

Spiff if I told ya once I told ya a thousand times you gotta keep better track of that stuff! How are you going to be a #1 ninja if that keeps happening? :p :D

[spacemanspiff]

i'm sorry. do i get a time-out?

[redhawk41]

well, that video put to rest the TV myth of brains and stuff splattering all over the room.

spiff's testosterone, now that's a different story ...

and i would bet that the interrogating officer, the first thought in his mind was "my god he could have shot me"

[accordingtome]

im just glad this guy took his own life and not a bunch of cops.. what a nutjob

[Unique 5.7]

DoubleNaughtSpy - Yes, there is Darwinian selection here for at least 2 reasons.
1. Whether he has children or not, he will not be contributing any more to the gene pool.
2. If he has children, their survival chances may have been slightly reduced. Therefore, their chances of gene contribution might have gone down.
Darwinian selection is not about all or nothing with just one sample, it is a generalized statistical winnowing with the population as a whole as the level of analysis.