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Doug.38PR
February 28, 2005, 05:00 PM
My father owns a replica Colt .45 Cimmeron single action made by either Uberti or Pietta. It was NOT made by Colt. BUT it is, as far as I can tell, probably the most accurate gun in our household. I've let people use it that have never handled a SA "cowboy" gun in their lives and have put the shot dead center (not exaggerating there) on the FIRST shot at about 10-15 yards. I took the gun recently and (after a few shots) planted one in the center of a strip of paper the half the size of a business card that my mother taped to the center of a target at 25 yards.
Why in the world did I pay about $450 for that and the cost of a genuine Colt Single Action army would be about $900-1200 just because it has Colt's name on it? The Italian replica works at least as good as a Colt (you can't get much better than what I described above) What is it? Does Colt get enough suckers to pay that kind of money for a gun with their name on it? Or is it cheap European labor for a quality gun?

If it's the latter than Pietta and Uberti need to go move on to 20th century Colt guns like the Official Police or the Python and Anaconda. Man they will sell like hotcakes and put Colt out of business.

Avizpls
February 28, 2005, 05:13 PM
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1499659#post1499659

Dave Sample
February 28, 2005, 08:37 PM
The only Hat I wear now is that of a Single Action Tune Up Specialist. (Compliments of Richard Carleton Hacker who gave me that neat title.) The only sixgun I would buy would be a Cimarron made by Uberti (Berreta Owned). These are the sweetest guns going and the ones I tell my Clients to buy. I am in the process of mooching another Fire Blue 5 1/2 Inch barrel 45 Colt from Mike Harvey for the 2006 Raffle for SHOOT! Magazine. I have tuned more of these than I like to admit and they always turn out great! I am going to turn this one into a thing of beauty and a joy to behold. I just had to re time a brand new Colt SA and install a new bolt in it to make it time up a little sooner. It wasn't much inside either with a lousy hammer stud and other sloppy stuff inside. But then again , It only cost the man $3000.00. It was an engraved super duper out of the Custom Shop.

James K
March 1, 2005, 05:49 PM
I like the Cimarron also. The Colt story does prove what I have always said - when you order an engraved gun, they pick out a gun and engrave it. The don't tune it, play with it, fit it, they engrave it. If it was junk before they started, it will be engraved junk when they finish.

Other than the Cimarron, I like the USFA guns. They are the only ones that feel like the pre-WWII Colts.

Some of the modern Colts are OK, but they are not consistent and their QC is not what it should be.

As to the Italians "moving on" to the OP or Python or Anaconda, Colt couldn't sell those (even the Python), so why should anyone think the Italians are crazy enough to sink big Euros into tooling up for guns with obsolete and complex actions that nobody wants.

Jim

Harry Bonar
March 1, 2005, 07:35 PM
Dear Shooters:
I share your feelings!
This is just what I was told; I was told that Pietta and/or Uberti were making the "genuine" Colt black powder revolvers FOR COLT, sending them here and Colt was doing the finish work and stamping on them and selling them as "COLTs."
I DO NOT know for sure and would never say it as fact but that is what I was told by a rather authorative source.
My son, Joe Bonar of Novaks who was killed by a drunken scum on Aug. 24th, 2003 gave me his Uberti replica Winchester 73 in 45L.C. (a sporting style that we waited months for) and it is a beaut!
I feel as you guys do, some offshore companies are doing some good work! Of course they're, I'm sure, using U.S.A. Mil-standards!
Harry B.

Dave Sample
March 1, 2005, 10:16 PM
Sorry Jim. I just tuned two Rodeo's that were worse than poor. Every chamber was off (12) and the parts looked like Uberti Rejects from 20 years ago. Two sixguns does not a company make, but after looking at what they had at the Shot Show, I killed my links to them. "A Man is known by the company he keeps." I will stick to Mike Harvey and the Cimarron Arms Products that I can offer a Lifetime No BS Warranty on. Just one man's opinion.

Doug.38PR
March 2, 2005, 03:24 PM
As to the Italians "moving on" to the OP or Python or Anaconda, Colt couldn't sell those (even the Python), so why should anyone think the Italians are crazy enough to sink big Euros into tooling up for guns with obsolete and complex actions that nobody wants.

The same reason they would make obselete and complex actions for the 1851 Navy or the Walker .44 or the Cimerron, because there is a market for old replica models. Especially when you can get them at a decent price ($400 as opposed to $1200.0 for manuel hand fitting labor) A lot of people like Colt DA guns even as a modern handgun. Especially the Python. If you have a place that can fix it such as Pittsburg Handgun Headquarters or take care of the gun and not abuse it then it makes as good (in some cases more accurate because it is hand fitted) a revolver as today's S&W.

But most of all the fact that there is a market for old replica guns is a good reason for the Italians to pursuit 20th century DA guns.