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ron8903
February 27, 2005, 01:17 PM
shot a buddys glock 10mm today the pistol feed 6 rounds then the gun jamed on me .the slide will not open so my buddy broke down the pistol and tryed to get the barrel out no luck bullet is in the barrel and the barrel will not come out. can
any of you glock guys help?

Troponin
February 27, 2005, 01:18 PM
Was it factory ammo?

ron8903
February 27, 2005, 01:23 PM
yes fmjs

mete
February 27, 2005, 01:30 PM
Are you saying a squib load , did the round fire ? Where exactly is the bullet? Slide and barrel off the gun? Have you tried to push the bullet back into the case .Sometimes a trip to the freezer will loosen the bullet because of differences in thermal expansion.

ron8903
February 27, 2005, 01:35 PM
the round did not fire. can not push the bullet forword or backwords the gun did not recock it self im at a lost as to what happend

BigSlick
February 27, 2005, 03:22 PM
Is the brass still in the chamber ?

If you are positive the bullet did not fire, BEFORE you do anything else soak the barrel/slide with the bullet and case in it overnight in WD40 (submerged).

If the round is still live, the first thing to do is contaminate the primer and powder, so if you're working on it a detonation won't occur.

After/If the round (or what's left of it) is inert, take a small drill bit and drill into and thru the bullet. Obviously, don't get into the surface of the barrel or you will hose the barrel (if it isn't already hosed).

Then put the slide into a vise (padded jaws) just tight enough to hold it and using a small hammer and wooden dowel, drive the barrel out the front. Light taps and work slowly.

As soon as the barrel is loosened enough to move remove it and see what happened.

Make sure you get the lot number and brand of ammo used. Keep the original box if possible.

Give us a report when you can...

BigSlick

Handy
February 27, 2005, 04:04 PM
It sounds like a squib - primer blew the bullet part way into the barrel, but it is still stuck in the casing, too.

If you can field strip it, skip ahead, if not:

If you can, gently pry the extractor up off the case, or partially disassemble the extractor to do the same. Then you'll be able to open the slide or field strip the gun. REMEMBER NOT TO PULL THE TRIGGER FOR DISASSEMBLY IF THERE IS ANY CHANCE OF THE ROUND GOING OFF.

After the barrel is out it souldn't be to difficult to pull out the casing with pliers and then get a good look at the the stuck bullet to tap it out with a dowel.

Good luck, be safe.

Dave Sample
February 27, 2005, 05:14 PM
Take it to a pistolsmith. Let them remove it. Then ask me why I carry 1954 GI Ball!

Handy
February 27, 2005, 07:17 PM
Then ask me why I carry 1954 GI Ball! Because you'd like the same thing to happen, due to the 50 year old primer and propellants deteriorating over time? :D

Dave Sample
February 27, 2005, 09:09 PM
I think we are even now, Handy! You got me good. Yep. That is why I do it. Just plain foolish? Maybe so.

ron8903
February 28, 2005, 10:59 AM
thank's for all the info. my buddys going to let a smith look at it.
the round is live. i'm just not a glock guy i dont know what to do.
btw it's the first time i ever shot a glock.
think i'll stick with my sigs

Harry Bonar
March 1, 2005, 07:41 PM
Dear Dave:
The same reason I carry "ball" in my 45! :)

Dave Sample
March 1, 2005, 10:09 PM
We know what works every single time without fail. Right?

Handy
March 2, 2005, 12:34 AM
Exactly, that's why I carry a P7 with HPs!

Dave Sample
March 2, 2005, 12:04 PM
What in the world is a P7?

mete
March 2, 2005, 05:24 PM
Dave , a P7 is a real gun .It's got no superfluous parts like hammers and safeties. More accurate than others ,more reliable. And it gets lots of questions like 'what kind of gun is that ?' :p

Peter M. Eick
March 2, 2005, 07:14 PM
Dave,

I believe that he is refering to the H&K P7 PSP or the P7M8 series of guns.

For example here is my PSP collection:
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/3p7s.jpg

As was stated, they have no safeties, hammers or oddballl extrusions. They are solid steel and make a great club. They are thin, solid and quite accurate. They use a fixed barrel and gas retarded blowback system. They work very well with 9mm and particularly 9mm +p+ ammo. My experience is the hotter the load, the more accurate and reliable the gun.

They are my carry guns.

JMag
March 2, 2005, 08:18 PM
Peter,

Nice P7s! Why have you not yet turned at least one of them into a bonafide "barbeque" gun??? :D

Dave Sample
March 3, 2005, 10:22 AM
Ok I call those a "Squeeze Kocker Krunchenticker's." I shot one about 7 or 8 times and it hurt my hand. Very nice guns for some folks, though. Thanks for reminding me of the correct name for them.

mete
March 3, 2005, 10:28 AM
BTW, I have an old video -H&K P7 Pistols and Benelli Shotguns -1992. Since I don't have a video machine now if anyone would like it -send me a message ,I'll give it to you no charge.

Handy
March 3, 2005, 11:27 AM
Dave, what a funny name you use for them. I see you've adopted Cooper's pejorative term for DA/SA autos, then applied it to the 9mm Col. Cooper felt was the best overall design because it avoids "krunchenticking", since it is not DA/SA.

I'm sorry your hurt your hand. :o

Dave Sample
March 3, 2005, 08:33 PM
Jeff Cooper and I are victims of too many years of experience. I am one of his bigggest fans and agree that the 9mm did not work in WWI, WWII, Korea, Viet Namn and will never work for me. That is not to say that I do not like them..............................for my enemys! I do not ever want to be shot with a 45ACP! I have always liked Colonel Cooper's books and columns in the gunrags. He is a pretty smart old man. He almost ran me over at the Shot Show in his scooter! I heard him speak at a banquet a couple of years ago and he was still pretty sharp about what is happening to this once wonderful Country. We are from Another Country. I have to admit I love the design of that P7. Very clever!

Tim R
March 3, 2005, 10:00 PM
Dave, I don't know if you and Cooper are victims of too many years of experience. Could it be you guys figured it out sooner than some of the others? :D

As for the orignal problem, could it be there is an improperly sized case jammed in the chamber of the pistol? A friend of mine brought me a 1911 that was locked up tighter than a drum but not quite in battery. He was the victim of a single reloaded AMERC brass case.

Dave Sample
March 4, 2005, 08:46 PM
Re-loads depend on the person pulling the lever on the press having some skill and knowedge. An "Old Fashioned Concept". I have seen more bad ammo than bad guns. I thought there were books you could read and guys you could talk to that knew things? What Happened? The Internet? I stiil have and read all of my reloading books. Just a slow learner, but in many thousands of rounds, they have all worked. I like to load slow and try to pay attention to what I am doing. That stuff can be dangerous, you know! We had a careless guy here burn his whole place out when primer went off touched off another 75 or so, and melted a plastic powder container, and then burnt his place to the gound. He was a "Gun Nut", according to the local paper.

keens
March 5, 2005, 06:20 PM
The SAME thing happened with my Glock 21 using factory PMC starfire hollowpoint ammo...finally got it apart...if it happend again though I would take it to a good smithy...sold the Glock later...never could get it to shoot more 50 or 60 rounds...(One time went 200) without a misfeed of some kind with any kind of ammo...I tried many...even some different ball types...almost went broke testing it because I loved the way it felt when I shot it compared to any other .45's I have shot. All ammo was factory Remington, Winchester, some Georgia arms, Federal etc...all factory mags too...My inexpensive Taurus 92 9mm gobbles us any and all ammo...so does my Brothers Glock 22...maybe it was me.