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Chuck Dye
February 19, 2005, 02:23 PM
My Redhawk is a 7½ inch Hunter (KRH44R) with a Leupold 2x EER mounted over the barrel. I have gone through the factory rosewood and several aftermarket rubber grips without getting really comfortable. I am about to risk the $100+ on the custom Herrett Jordan Trooper grip. Input from anyone owning the Jordan Trooper grip or any Herrett custom grip would be appreciated.

knzn
February 19, 2005, 07:19 PM
Pachmayr used to make a Bill Jordan model of grips (they were a hard plastic instead of the soft rubber you would normally associate with pachmayr) and I have a pair mounted on my Model 27 right now. IF Herrits are sized the sames as mine made by Pachmayr, they are quite large.

I do have large hands, larger than most of my friends, wear XL gloves and all that, and will say that these grips I have are too large for double action shooting. I do like them for single action target shooting and that is what I am doing right now with my 27.

Quantrill
February 20, 2005, 09:32 AM
After meeting Bill Jordan at Camp Perry and watching him "perform", I was all hot to get a pair of "Jordan Troopers" from Herrets. The theory was, according to Jordan, that if you drew your revolver and your hand position on the revolver was not correct, those grips would help your hand slip into the correct position enabling you to always have the same consistent grip necessary for accurate shooting. I never did get the "Jordan Troopers", my days of drawing a gun for serious social reasons being over. Jordan did have those grips on his Border Patrol issued model 19 when I met him in the late 1960s. Quantrill

Slip Shooter
February 20, 2005, 06:11 PM
Huck,

I have a pair of the Pachmayr hard plastic Bill Jordan Grips.

They are great in every way for two handed hip shooting from the chest while sighting over the top of the barrel. As far as taking a target stance they just dont point properly for me. I have to break my wrist downward when doing so.

If I ever get a S&W M19 2 1/2 inch revolver, I'll probably put them on it, and put it on the night stand.

nharrold
December 19, 2009, 03:02 AM
I have the Bill Jordan Trooper grips on a S&W Model 66 that I bought many years ago when they first came out. Haven't fired it a lot, but I do feel that the grips made the experience much milder and more enjoyable. I tried to convince Pachmayr to make them out of their soft rubber rather than the hard synthetic, but they just weren't interested in doing so. But I'd buy them again if I had a suitable gun to put them on.

Sam06
December 19, 2009, 06:25 AM
They are Big. I have big hands(I can Palm a Basket ball) and I find them big. My 7.5" Redhawk has a set of Herret Roper grips on it. I like them a little better than the Jordan style YMMV. The Ropers are a little smaller but still fill the hand. They position my hand just about right for the big redhawk(Mine is scoped and is my hunting pistol).

Sam

CraigC
December 19, 2009, 11:58 AM
I agree that all the available rubber grip designs for the Redhawk are useless. Too long and narrow. Just bear in mind that the Jordan Trooper was designed to enclose the rather svelte S&W K grip frame. Bill Jordan had HUGE hands and I seriously doubt that same design would've worked for him on the big Redhawk. I would send a hand tracing to Herrett's and actually talk to them on the phone before deciding on which design you want.

SIGSHR
December 19, 2009, 12:06 PM
I thought the virtue of the Jordan grips was the arched backstrap which he said was more comfortable.

madcratebuilder
December 19, 2009, 05:11 PM
I have a pair of Pachmayr hard plastic Bill Jordan's on a M29 4" and like them. How the translates to a SRH I don't know. They are a large grip that takes a nice two hand hold.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d37/madcratebuilder/44mag.jpg

I have tried a few different grips on my SRH and have gone back to the oem rubber with a stag insert.

Tom2
December 19, 2009, 08:15 PM
I did that bit once a long time ago. Traced my hand and sent the thing to Herrets for some K frame grips of the Jordan pattern. I do have fairly large hands too. Not gigantic ham fists. The walnut grips I got back were made perfectly and were very attractive. They were very wide front to back but not so much side to side. Well they just did not feel right to me like that and got the trade-off. But I do have some sort of little Herrets for a J frame. Not at all like your normal concealment finger groove super combat types. Sort of oval cross section, flat on the bottom and checkered. Those do feel pretty nice on a J RB revolver. I took them off as I was afraid they were getting scuffed up a bit. Once checkering is ruined, it is not replaceable by sanding!

madcratebuilder
December 20, 2009, 09:45 AM
Once checkering is ruined, it is not replaceable by sanding!

No sanding, but minor wear can be corrected by re-cutting the checkering if it's not to deep.

texagun
December 20, 2009, 10:41 AM
Bill Jordan had HUGE hands. I had a pair of Jordan grips on a S&W 625 and they didn't work for me. They were just TOO big. Try them before you buy them.

CraigC
December 20, 2009, 11:46 AM
Bill Jordan had HUGE hands. I had a pair of Jordan grips on a S&W 625 and they didn't work for me. They were just TOO big. Try them before you buy them.
Can't emphasize that enough. Folks just don't realize that Bill Jordan was 6' 6" tall and his hands were monstrous. Even out of proportion to his height and were so large he could not find gloves to fit. Quoted by Skeeter Skelton as saying that size 13's (I wear size 9) were far too small. His famous grip was designed around the little K-frame grip frame so that he could more effectively wield his favored model 19. So I have to wonder how many shooters really need a set of Jordan Troopers on their S&W's, let alone Redhawks.

Chuck Dye
December 20, 2009, 12:52 PM
A lot of folks are missing some key points:

Size. The grips I have in mind will be custom made. If I ever actually do the deed, they will be cut to dimensions obtained from an outline drawn from my hand. Mr. Jordan's dimensions do not apply.

Source. Comparing Pachmayr's mass production grips to Herrett's custom grips does not make sense to me except to whatever extent the shapes are the same. I certainly would, though, like to hear from anyone who has gone from the Pachmayr to the Herrett custom.

CraigC
December 20, 2009, 01:18 PM
That's precisely why I suggested sending your hand tracing to Herrett's and speaking to them on the phone to see what they recommend.


If I ever actually do the deed, they will be cut to dimensions obtained from an outline drawn from my hand. Mr. Jordan's dimensions do not apply.
Yes, but the design itself implies a certain size to begin with because it has to completely enclose the grip frame. The wood will also have to have enough thickness for strength. The Redhawk grip frame is very large to begin with.

Claddagh
December 22, 2009, 01:07 PM
I've purchased at least a dozen pairs of made-to-measure stocks for various handguns from Herrett's over the years. I've never had the slightest cause to regret the purchase price with any of them.

In every instance they've improved both the appearance of the piece and my ability to shoot it more comfortably and precisely. In several cases, the difference was quite remarkable, especially in DA revolver work.

Tamara
December 22, 2009, 01:22 PM
Bill Jordan was 6'10" and could palm a beach ball. If your hands are the same size as his, you'll love his grips.

CraigC
December 22, 2009, 01:46 PM
As I said before, according to a 1969 Shooting Times article by Skeeter Skelton, Bill Jordan was 6' 6" tall. Not 6' 10".

All you really have to do is look at the cover of his book, "No Second Place Winner". Look at how huge his right hand is in relation to his body and then remember that he was six and a half feet tall.

Tom2
December 22, 2009, 05:56 PM
Wow he keeps getting bigger and taller with each telling! Now he is Paul Bunyan? Yep, he wore his Smith round his neck like a charm on a necklace and had to have the front of the trigger guard cut off cause his fingers were the size of Polish sausages. His grips were made from the buttstock of a Winchester model 70 and he needed tweezers to load his gun. He carried his shotgun in a holster instead of his revolver. Waded the Rio Grande without getting his ankles wet. Well still, I said, I had my grips made to a tracing and they were still way big for me!

Murdock
December 26, 2009, 09:52 AM
I was causing injury to my gun hand when shooting field pistol silhouette several years ago with my S&W M24 with Keith loads (17.5 of #2400 with 240-grain SWC's).

Jordan Trooper stocks were the answer, as they put the bulk of the recoil force into my palm rather than into the base of the thumb, just as Jordan articulated in No Second Place Winner. I now own several sets in plastic and wood for K- and N-frame Smiths.

My glove size is 9, and the grips do feel a smidgen big for one-hand shooting of an N-frame, but are still very reasonable and much better than Smith target grips. They are superb for two hand shooting of an N-frame. I find them to be nearly perfect on K-frames regardless of one- or two-hand operation, but YMMV.

jad0110
January 20, 2010, 10:30 PM
All you really have to do is look at the cover of his book, "No Second Place Winner". Look at how huge his right hand is in relation to his body and then remember that he was six and a half feet tall.

I have the book on my nightstand right next to me, and just before reading this thread I was noting how the 4" Model 19 looks like a J Frame 22/32 Kit gun in his hand! :D Crap, his gorilla hand is as scary as the Combat Magnum he was holding! Wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a knuckle sandwich like that :D .

I'm having trouble myself deciding between the Jordan Troopers from Herrett's or the Eagle Rosewood Classics for my Model 28. Love the slender feel of the Eagles, but I've never handled the Jordans. To me, the S&W Target Stocks are just too freakin' big for me, plus they are rather poorly contored for my hands. My hands aren't small either; probably like Bill Jordan's, but far less beefy (large but slender).

Decisions decisions. :)

Revelation76
January 25, 2010, 06:59 PM
I'd love to see some pictures of the Jordan Trooper grips on an SP101 if possible.


Chuck Dye stated this-
A lot of folks are missing some key points:

Size. The grips I have in mind will be CUSTOM MADE. If I ever actually do the deed, they will be cut to dimensions obtained from an outline drawn from MY hand. Mr. Jordan's dimensions do not apply.

Source. Comparing Pachmayr's mass production grips to Herrett's custom grips does not make sense to me except to whatever extent the shapes are the same. I certainly would, though, like to hear from anyone who has gone from the Pachmayr to the Herrett CUSTOM.

I understand his frustration.

I'll be contacting Herrett's myself to get some additional info, but it would be nice to have a thread with some real life experiences as a resource for other interested parties to reference. I sent an email a few days ago asking if they make rounded butt grips for the SP101, but no response yet.

Revelation76
January 25, 2010, 07:00 PM
Sorry double post.

Peter M. Eick
January 25, 2010, 08:05 PM
I bought 2 sets of them just to try them out. I got a good deal on them somewhere. Very nice, excellent quality but they did not work for my hands. They now sit in the "wood pile". As a 6'5" guy I just could not get a good grip on them. He must have had big hands.

Revelation76
January 26, 2010, 09:09 PM
I talked to Herrett's Stocks on the phone today. Apparently there's a ONE YEAR waiting list for grips.:eek: They would also need my SP101 for one week in their shop. :confused:
Aren't all SP101s pretty much the same, grip wise?

What a major hassle.

I'm thinking about the Hogue Pau Ferro No Finger Groove as my next option.

Claddagh
January 27, 2010, 09:57 AM
Herrett's is a very small operation, which likely accounts for the long waiting list for custom, made-to-order models. They also probably have to devote a considerable portion of their production capacity to keeping up with standing orders for their excellent and very popular line of 1911 stocks, etc.

As to exactly why Rod might need to have your SP 101 at the shop in order to make your stock, I really can't say. I expect that, had you asked, he would've explained his reasons at some length. I could speculate on a number of possible contributing factors, but suspect that what it'd all boil-down to is that his meticulous nature and pride in his craftsmanship won't allow him to settle for "close" when it's his family's name on the box. Every detail must be as close to "perfect" as he can make it for you, or it isn't good enough to wear it.

Revelation76
January 27, 2010, 10:20 AM
I understand what you're saying.
Still a hassle though. Especially the thought of mailing off my only substantial carry gun.

I have no doubt that they're excellent grips/stocks and I don't wish to speak ill of this company. Just too many obstacles for me for a product that I won't be sure about until I try it.

I'll still be thinking about this one, royal pain as it is.