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February 15, 2005, 01:30 PM
A guy just gave my father in law a gun to try out. On the side it says:
"Wilkinson Arms Model Linda 9mm Luger Carbine. Parma ID."
It is a semi automatic. The barrel is held on by a large knurled nut, and has a full length shroud around it. The stock is wood, with carving on it of eagles, and such. The shoulder stock is a metal tube, with a wood butt plate. It also has a shorter barrel with it, probably about 8" or 9". Looks like a 30 round magazine, that goes through the pistol grip. Looks very similar to a Beretta mag, but didn't have one with me to compare.
He was told that only about 600 of them were made, and they were very rare. It looked to be really well made, and was fairly hefty for it's size. He has not shot it yet, but thinks the guy is wanting to try and sell it to him.
I did find this from some searching: http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=6453465
It looks just like this, but with a heavier shrouded barrel. Barrel may have been a little longer than this one too. The wood was not to bad, and the carving was really pretty good. Don't know if it came with the carving, or if someone did that later.
Just looking for any info on it, and maybe a value too. Thanks!
February 16, 2005, 09:33 AM
"Wilkinson Arms Linda "Luger Carbine" 9mm Semi Auto Pre Ban Carbine. S/N 932xxx, one of only 2200 marked "Luger Carbine" on the receiver. NIB. 16 3/16" shrouded barrel with wooden forearm, aluminum receiver, fixed tubular stock with wood pad, aperture rear sight, and one 31 round magazine. Very unique. $1495- plus shipping/ins."
February 16, 2005, 11:57 AM
Yup! That's the one! Anyone ever shot one?
February 16, 2005, 05:28 PM
I put a couple magazines through one a friend had for a little while. Ran perfect for me, didn't shoot it for groups. Friend said that it ran 100% for him, though he didn't have it long enough to put a lot of rounds down range. They are definately fun to shoot and pretty well made.
March 24, 2005, 09:36 AM
Does anyone have an owner's manual for a Wilkinson Linda that they could scan in and e-mail me at emcgovern2000. It would be greatly appreciated and would rate some Injun beadwork in return.
March 24, 2005, 01:03 PM
I own several types both the linda pistol and 2 M68 carbines low sequential serial numbers and a variant called the M80 that has a scope rail serial # 1X. They shoot very accurately and I was once at the Lake Elsinor range in SO California shooting at a armor plate about 150 ~ 200 yards away. I would fire then ...........................tink Fire ...........................tink. As you can see the barrel is quite robust and Guns and Ammo (I have a copy of it ) filled 9mm brass full with Bullseye, and had got almost 2000fps out of it with no problems to the weapon. Its accuracy is enhanced by the bolt wrapping around the barrel in precise alignment, (a unique design). My carbines are J& R engineering and if you look on the California ban list they are specifically listed. I suspect the wood is not original because I think they were originally plastic. I have a simple 4 page manual for both the Carbines and Linda pistol if you like PM me and I will send you PDF versions.
March 24, 2005, 01:17 PM
The Wilkinson Arms guns and specifically the "Linda" Carbine garnered some attention in the 70's. However production problems along with cash-flow caused the company to fail (IIRC). Some of the early units suffered malfunctions, mostly failure to feed. The only example I ever saw was only 15 rounds out of the box and it broke an extractor at round #34. This unit was fixed and at round #82 something broke in the trigger mechanism. Gun would only feed FMJ and no JHPs or JSPs would run in the gun. Gun was sold after it was repaired.
I think that most collectors of these guns have ironed out the problems themselves or have later models that Wilkinson didn't have to buy back. It remains one of those "good ideas" that never got the funding necessary to make a real winner out of it.
March 24, 2005, 02:07 PM
Linda and Terry are both named after his daughters.
I believe prior to Wilkson arms It was owned by J & R engineering of So Cal. Yes there were problems of punching through primers, feeding, ect. All worked out on mine.
Sorry got pulled away. J & R was the original designers and Wilkinson arms made improvements some good some bad. All of mine function well with occasional FTF which is a fine line to walk between punching through the primer and FTF. Of course that required some work but someone with mechanical skills can correct these problems. Given what they are worth (being one of the first high capacity 9's introduced in the late 60's I don't shoot them much anymore.
March 24, 2005, 03:28 PM
While not a factory owner's manual, the older Gun Digest Book "Firearms Assembly/Disassembly: Law Enforcement Firearms" Part Six, had a section on the Wilkerson carbine showing complete disassembly.
March 26, 2005, 08:02 AM
It prob'ly wouldn't be as good as the actual owner's manual for the Linda, but could you scan in that "Part 6" and e-mail it to me?
February 23, 2007, 11:29 AM
Hi all, My past history as a sales rep and personal Owner of 5 Lindas from silenced to original was an outstanding Job. I agree that at the beggining they had the normal qirks of any gun smith. But let me tell you, The new factory of Northwest arms is fantastic. From new calibers to suppresion. Please feel free to ask I am currently looking for some original manuals and also current.
February 23, 2007, 02:00 PM
If you install the short barrel, the gun will be illegal. Or, these guns were made in a pistol version, too-if my memory is correct. Either way, something seems amiss.
March 10, 2007, 09:02 AM
I have a couple of these carbines, i have one that is 100% Factory NIB, i want to sell them, but cant find where i put the mag!!!!
any source for a mag or 2 ?
March 27, 2007, 12:32 AM
I live in Idaho, and went to the factory to purchase my Linda. It was shortly after it had been sold to Northwest Arms. Mr. Wilkinson had passed away. The new owner, John, said that production stopped because of the previous owners death. The CNC equipment looked top notch, and they still had about 500 Linda's available for sale (that was in 1999). I had a little trouble with the unit jamming occasionally. I returned to the factory with it and have had no trouble with it since. My Linda has an "armalloy" barrel and bolt. It operates exactly the same as my friends standard model, but is supposed to be tougher. The barrel and bolt on the armalloy model are silver instead of black. I shoot the gun regularly. I purchased it with the optional C-more sighting system. I can stand and shoot a 6" resetting target at 50 yards and hit it every time (as long as I let it settle). It's a great gun.
June 4, 2007, 11:50 PM
I bought it new a LONG time ago. I have 5 or 6 mags I think.
When I first got it, it would fail to feed occaionally. I called the owner. He said, sorry, I got one of the "Full Auto" springs in mine. He sent me a replacement spring. I never had another problem with it.
It is a very well made gun. Mine has the wooden forearm.
June 5, 2007, 08:41 PM
ok , i found a mag for one....i have a NIB Wilkinson , Paperwork/manual are still sealed in bag attached to trigger guard.. Will Trade or sell
I also have a Scarce TWO digit Serial # J&R Carbine, that was the original Design of the wilkinson.....again will sell or trade
July 31, 2007, 05:26 PM
I have been searching off and on for reference or mention of the J&R Eng. m-68 for two years! I have one and need a little help. I bought it after a friend of mine (not to smart) managed to twist the guide rods and recoil springs. He did this by applying a pin spanner to the rear hatch cover and trying to unscrew it for dissassembly. The cover does not come off that way. I always loved that little gun and thats why I bought it from him. I was very confident that I could fix it but now I have to say that I am very stumped about how to get that little hatch cover off. It free-spins with the pin spanner but does not want to pop out in any position. There is what appears to be a little key latch that might engage a raceway along the edge of the cover but it does not move at all. I can probably find recoil springs that will work and I can make duplicate guide rods on a lathe but that rear cover would have to come out. Does anybody know whats going on here? ANY help or words of advise would be greatly, greatly appreciated. Any manuals or diagrams would just be awsome! Anyhow... Thanks guys for reading this and have a great day!
August 3, 2007, 02:47 AM
I've had several of these over the years but, I never removed the rear plug. On removing the barrel, the bolt would slide out to where you could remove the bolt handle, and then the assembly. Hope this helps.
August 3, 2007, 06:37 PM
I was thinking of a different design when I wrote about M-68 tear down.
October 27, 2007, 01:31 PM
Hey guys, would like to revive this thread as I am in search of mags. Has anyone found a source for mags, or, mags for another gun that can be made to fit with minor smithing? Appreciate any leads.
December 12, 2007, 11:53 AM
I would like to revive this thread as well. I came across a J&R M68 which I purchased. Think I located a magazine for it and should have it in my hands at the end of the week. The mag is for a Linda but my understanding is it should be the same. Will let you know.
Looking for a manual if anyone has a M68 or Linda. Please PM me if you have one available.
February 15, 2008, 09:56 PM
I have just purchased on of these and would appreciate if anyone could email or scan a manual to me at D24fan@comcast.net. I would also be interested in a source for a couple of mags for it. Thanks in advance!
February 21, 2008, 09:36 PM
Anybody got a picture of these guns?
February 21, 2008, 09:53 PM
Check out http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2100/2121.htm
February 22, 2008, 02:06 PM
im selling this one, J&R 9mm carbine
This was the predecessor to the later Wilkinson/linda carbine, Wilkinson bought the Rights from J&R....the gun does not look to be fired much from what i can tell, possibly test fired only ? No original Mag accept for one that i recently picked up, have not tried it so cant say for sure how the mag will function
It is Serial # 50 . dont know how many were produced , but i do not think there were many....
Cash price $575.00 del. .........will consider trades
March 17, 2008, 03:31 PM
I've been told that high capacity Browning High Power mags will work by altering the notch for the mag catch I've got a couple ordered I'll let you know how it works out
April 4, 2008, 10:45 AM
The Browning high power Magazines I bought (25RDafter market) required relocating the mag catch they function fine with no feed problem they do hold open the bolt when empty the bolt appears to catch on the mag follower I'm going to try moving up the notch and or rounding off back of follower on the plus side these mags are cheap and available. If your interested I have the gun digest manual mentioned earlier post( gun there is a terry) also a eploded view of a linda will try to scan and e mail if someones interested
June 2, 2008, 01:31 PM
Hello all,I recently bought a M68 carbine,and after firing 2 clips,the trigger mechanism let go....it had been brazed in its history,and when that broke,it allowed the piece that strikes the pin to travel too far,snapping that as well...I am looking for anybody who knows of any parts for sale for these guns,I think any of the wilkinson/j&r setups would work,also,anybody looking for mags,there is a guy on gunbroker selling them NIB,a little expensive,but probably worth grabbing a few...thanks for any help
June 23, 2008, 05:29 PM
For Anyone that may be interested, I have a number of parts for the Terry Carbine....firing pins, springs, stocks....wood and folding, "lower receivers" (pistol grip metal), etc. I'd like to sell the lot.
July 23, 2008, 02:06 PM
I'm hoping someone can help....I have a Linda Carbine. I am looking like most others for; the original manual (hard copy or scanned) and extra magazines.
And I am trying to locate a link for NorthWest Arms in Idaho. Does anyone know if this company is still in business and provide support for the Linda?
Appreciate any help with this. Thanks!
September 16, 2008, 09:20 AM
I have a 3mb .pdf of the M68 manual which is very similar. Give me your email address and I'll send it to you.
September 20, 2008, 09:26 AM
Does anyone out there have an exploded view of the Wilkinson Diane 25 caliber?
September 25, 2008, 09:16 AM
i chuckle to myself when i think of all the linda pistols i passed up with a somewhat upturned nose back in the days.
same with those norinco and polytech POS ak's.
man i shoulda bought em till my bank accounts bled!
there is one in a gunshop in wenatchee washington for sale, or was a couple weeks ago. if someone buys that, go ahead and buy the pretty 1937 stamped mauser98 they have that i could not talk the wife into letting me buy!
January 30, 2009, 08:33 AM
I was wondering if anyone had measurements of the firing pin and the bar that connects the trigger to the firing mecanism. I heard its a fun gun but on the hunt for parts or drawings to get this one back to operating thanks for any help. Can email firstname.lastname@example.org with any help thanks again
January 30, 2009, 02:44 PM
All the different models of Wilkinson Arms turn up in the Boise, ID gunshops frequently (Buckhorn, Boise Gun). Wilkinson Arms and it's followers are defunct at this time, although I have heard rumors the equipment is still in the old building in Parma, ID.
February 19, 2009, 12:49 AM
Wilkerson did do many improvements over the m-68 but J&R didn't develop the gun it was the brain child of mr. Ingram who also invented the Mac 10 and many other guns. The high power, Beretta and Taurus mags can be made to fit. I was at a Spokane gun show and Northwest had a 40 cal version, I don't think they ever produced any for sale. A earlier experience with Northwest or at least the owner Boyd Gray, left a foul taste in my mouth so I didn't buy any guns from them.
February 19, 2009, 01:50 PM
Sorry to those of you that inquired but all the parts were sold some time ago to a gentleman in Washisnton.
Thanks for the inquires.
July 31, 2010, 04:00 PM
At 19 years old, I worked for Ray fabricating all the parts that went into the Linda, Sherry, and Terry. I was never allowed to completely assemble and test fire his babies. They were literally his babies as they were named after his daughters.
I can say that these pistols frames were made from high quality aluminum alloy extrusions and the tolerances were kept + - .002. The barrels were drilled and reamed with a new reamer every time barrels went into production. After 50 barrels, the reamer was replaced and a new one took its place. We would then pull a new broach through the barrel producing very nice rifling, without chatter.
When I was working there, Ray had a contract to produce a full auto version that was sent abroad to some South American country. The BATF allowed this for only one year.
Ray was a very proud man and would spend a little more money than most
when it came to manufacturing. He would scrap parts if they were just .0005 off. Boy do I remember that, I got chewed pretty good one day for fly cutting the frames out of tolerance. Those aluminum extrusions were obviously high dollar and I had even seen him reject them right on the truck due to them being slightly twisted.
Bottom line, It was an extremely well manufactured firearm that was all fit by hand, none of this CNC stuff.
September 20, 2011, 11:21 AM
I bought a new Linda at a local gun show years ago. I have 5 of the high capacity magazines and an original holster. I have put no more than a hundred or so rounds through it and it shot just fine.:cool:
December 19, 2011, 08:56 PM
I have owned my Linda which I purchased new since probably the 80's. I still have the original owners manual two mags and I think the original reciept. I would be interested in parts mags or anything else someone my have for this gun. The are fun and shoot very acurate for being a breach fire pistol. I asked about a stock for this pistol but I was informed that It would be against the law unless I applied for a permit. I just found this post and glad that there was a lot of interest in the Linda.
June 18, 2012, 06:51 AM
I bought an original 00-xxxx serial # Linda Pistol ( Covina,Ca marked ) back in the 80's too. I still have it, and it would be among the last guns I'd ever get rid of.
It is one of just a few guns, that I actually worked-up a target load for and a tenth of a grain made big differences in group size.
Later, I found another 00-xxxx serial, but this one is from when Wilkinson moved to Idaho.
I did nothing with the second one for years, but eventually set it up identically to my original one..... Aimpoint 3000 using cheap Weaver rings....
and my 'load'. It dialed in so as to shoot just like the other one.
The absolute crazy thing about this setup, is that it/they shoot acurately with same POA from say .....25 feet to 100 yards once dialed-in....at least for me.
I have never shot further than 100 yards ( will try sometime ), but have shot 2" steel discs at 100 yards very sucessfully ....to the amazement of a buddy who was shooting a BDL .308 scoped at same stuff ....yea he hit them too ....but so did I.
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