View Full Version : cheepest bp rifle that kicks the most.
December 20, 2004, 11:26 PM
like the title states. i want a blackpowder rifle that will punish me. are there any that hurt to shoot? cheeper the better.
December 21, 2004, 10:54 PM
come on ladys. thinking about gettin the cva buckhorn. get the combo from cabelas for like 180 with 2.5-7 scope. good deal?
December 22, 2004, 03:13 AM
Maybe I am a bit slow but why in the hell would you post a message like this one? :confused:
If you are a masochist why not just check the advertisments in your local area and go find yourself a person who can meet your needs? It appears to me it would be a lot safer for you and for others who maybe shooting in your area.
If I have missed something important in your posting then please explain it.
Cheers from down under
December 22, 2004, 07:09 AM
Try a .58 caliber muzzle-loader of some sort, probably a Civil War replica. They seem to kick a bit with 'maximum safe loads'... My friend double-loaded to 120 grains once on accident, he felt it for awhile.
Btw, they run anywhere from $300 if lucky to $800 for a top-o'-the-line model with all the bells and whistles.
December 22, 2004, 07:27 AM
H&R used to make a break open BP rifle based on the single shot shotguns in .54 and .58 cal.
The one I had would sit you on your bute-ocks (for any Ensign Pulver fans) using big charge of FFG under a .58 minne.
IIRC I gave ~ $80 for it new way back when (1975?). Once in a while I see one used for about the same price.
December 22, 2004, 12:59 PM
well aussie bob...i would post a thread like this one because thats the kind of gun that im looking for. no need for you (or anyone else) to bash it. buying a bp gun that kicks a lot is cool for many reasons.
-save money on ammo
-your ***** friends dont want to shoot it :)
-bigger is ALWAYS better
and maybe is a combination of these things and just having a huge "bad ass" gun. anyways, thanks for your help (guys with the helpful posts). Prally end up getting a buckhorn or a hawken. well see.
December 22, 2004, 01:19 PM
I have a Hawken style Cabela's repro flinter in .58 that I think would fit the bill. There are probably more punishing rifles out there, but this'n is good enough for me.
Recoil with round ball and moderate loads will leave you remembering and trying to work up a load for a 400+ gr mini bullet is a progression of days, not a single range session. (eg. ya gotta heal up in between shooting sessions for accuracy sake) Careful not to overdo the load - you are playing with a rather stout bomb here!
I think it's the brass buttpad that does it - deffianately cool looking, but no cushion whatsoever. Price is in the mid $300 IIRC - less if you can find a kit like I did. Add the historic appeal of the flintlock - and never having to buy primers/caps again, you can make your own flints if you really get into it! - and you've really got something here. :cool:
December 22, 2004, 02:53 PM
capitan-d, I have CVA Hunterbolt .50 cal with a Cabela's Pine Ridge® 2.5-7 x 32 scope with mounts and rings that I'd be willing to sell for about $170 plus shipping. I bought it brand new and it's only been out of the box long enough for me to make sure everything was there. I ordered it to go deer hunting this fall and it didn't make it to my door in time for me to use it, so it hasn't even been shot yet.
Lemme know if you are interested.
December 22, 2004, 06:50 PM
Kick is more dependant on load, rather than the gun itself............although the lighter a gun is, the more it'll recoil.
So get yourself something like that Hunterbolt or a Knight USAK or Wolverine which are relatively cheap (around $150) and load it with 400gr or heavier bullets with 100gr of 777 loose powder..............that'll kick like a mule on crack. :eek:
December 22, 2004, 07:02 PM
beardking what kind of finish is on that hunterbolt? i may be interested. thanks for all your help guys. anyone have advise on a NEF sidekick? I was also looking at the CVA buckhorn but i dont know if i like the crap on the synthetic stock. ill have to see if any of the gun stores around here have one in stock. anyone else have any advise for a first timer id appreciate it. iv also decided that i want on i can put a scope on.
December 22, 2004, 07:17 PM
Just about any BP rifle will suit your purpose to be "hurt" by one.
I suggest you buy the cheapest one you can find at Wal-Mart, find a bridge, walk underneath it, shake hands with the fellow troll there, discuss your needs with him, and have them fulfilled.
I hope the moderator pulls your alias for wasting bandwith with your nonsense.
Please find some other group to bother.
December 22, 2004, 08:36 PM
thanks miltin. i appreciate your input. BUT...thats not the encouagement im looking for. if you read the inital question i asked and didnt like it then you should not have responded. opinions are cheep and stupid ass ones like yours i could really do without. you honestly think your doing ANYONE any good with a post like that? grow up.
December 23, 2004, 12:32 AM
capitan-d, the hunterbolt that I have is the black synthetic stock with a blued barrel. I'm attaching a picture so you can see what it is. As you can see, it's still quite new in the box.
December 23, 2004, 02:29 PM
Cowled_Wolf, 140 grains FF with a patched round ball is a standard heavy hunting load in .58 cal. Your friend only uses 60 grains normally??
I've got an H&R Huntsman in .58, just as Hal describes, that I bought for $35 at a yard sale a few years ago and shot regularly with 140 grains and a round ball. Then one day I was reading through Lyman's Black Powder Manual and found where H&R recommended a MAX load of only 100 grains, regardless of the projectile; Round ball, Minié, or Maxi. They do tend to hurt after awhile when using 140 grains. :D
December 23, 2004, 02:55 PM
beardking thats pretty much exactly what im looking for. where are you located? take paypal? have any feedback? im going to look around town a bit and get some more advise. im still interested but not exactly sure if i want it or not.
December 23, 2004, 02:58 PM
anyone have any experence with the MDM QuicShooter ?
December 23, 2004, 07:02 PM
Why are people getting down on capitan? Although his question is a bit odd, there's nothing wrong with it. Just because it's a first post, it doesn't necessarily follow that he's a troll. I hope you find your answer, capitan.
But capitan, do not use phrases like 'stupid ass' on this board, even if provoked, because it can get you booted, since personal attacks are against the rules of the board.
December 23, 2004, 07:03 PM
thanks freedom. appreciate it.
December 23, 2004, 07:36 PM
I'm tellin' ya captain - that thing looks like it's got a padded recoil pad! You'll get more stumulus from the brass butt pad on my flinter. :eek:
Lol - looks like a good gun, and it'll wallop you surely with good loads - enjoy!
December 23, 2004, 08:14 PM
any thoughts on the tradition buckhunter pro handgun? what do you think the recoil will be like with the full 80 gr. load? compared to my .357?
December 25, 2004, 09:59 AM
Bass Pro Shops has a little CVA for around $65 that should beat you up a little.
December 25, 2004, 10:42 AM
"H&R Huntsman in .58"
Bingo! Thank you.
I couldn't for the life of me remember what they called it.
140gr :eek: :eek: !!!
I'll have to dig up the little glass vials my Huntsman came with and figure out how much FFG each one holds. 50 gr sounds about right because if my hungover mind recalls correctly, they recommended dumping 2 of them down the bore - which would be the 100 gr max.
December 26, 2004, 09:50 PM
Must be a Civil War reenactor thing? We use 60 gr. blank charges strait down the barrel (no ramming) in our reenactments, so we've all figured that's also good for shooting... Personally, I use a Traditions Hawkin in .50, and I recall the manual saying something along the lines of 70 max...
Are you sure you're not overloading?
December 27, 2004, 12:54 AM
captain-d, sorry for the delayed response. I've been outta town for Christmas and haven't been able to get on a puter. Yes, I'm setup for paypal, Here is my feedback on EBAY, (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=beardking&ssPageName=STRK:ME:UFS) , I'm located in The Colony, TX, and I completely advise you to look around. Believe me, I spend all kinds of time looking around before I buy any guns. Just let me know if you want it and I'll get a price to you for shipping and we'll have a deal. If you don't, I'll keep it a while longer. :D
December 27, 2004, 01:59 AM
I shoot 60 grains of FF in all my blackpowder rifle muskets. Doesn't hurt a bit (and I'm no big dude - figure size 7 mits). Now, the Whitworth with 75 grains of FF hurts a lot more, but that's not inexpensive.
The Perdesoli Kodiak can take about 120 grains of FF for its .58 cal conical. The fellow who sold it to me sent me a pic and the muzzle was certainly climbing. He was no small dude either. However, I've yet to find time to cast conicals for it and try it.
If you want kick, I've read that the .69 caliber rifled muskets pounded the soliders. Not the "buck 'n ball" 1841 but the rifled version of that same Springfield firing the big minie. The soldiers called it Three Cheers and a Tiger (which I've yet to figure out). Some got smart when they found that three dimes placed in the barrel would reduce the umph!.
December 27, 2004, 02:12 AM
Hmm - the dimes thing intrests me, 4V50 Gary. Where did they place them - behind the ball? Ahead? Not sure why it would reduce recoil... ??? Extra room for gas expansion?
But wow - 30 cents a shot plus powder and lead in the mid 1800s! Bet not many of them made it a standard load... :D
January 3, 2005, 12:07 AM
try a belgium made 4 gage shotgun they were sold all over the place cheap I have one i bought in the early 80s for 60 buck s with a standard load the recoil will knock you down but boy will it smash targets
January 9, 2005, 03:33 PM
Interesting idea, but eventually you may have to decide if you'll ever really shoot this cannon well. I don't expect to ever become a Master with my 30-30s but if I can shoot such decently and often plus encourage my sons to enjoy my guns, then that's worth quite a lot to me. If they dislike shooting because of the kick-your-head-off recoil, then (for me), what's the point?
January 9, 2005, 11:00 PM
The dimes were placed into the barrel before the introduction of powder and left there (I don't think they wasted thirty cents a shot). Can't shoot out the dimes if they're below the powder. I suppose the dimes came out whenever the gun was cleaned, but afterwards, was probably dropped right back in there.
Oh, the term "Three cheers and a tiger" formally meant three buckshot and one ball and wasn't originally three dimes into the barrel.
February 15, 2005, 03:10 AM
I had a 54 cal. Sharon Trade Rifle Kit produced before Hall Sharon lost the company that I thought was a bargain (bought cheap because the manager of the store didn't know what it was). Accuracy was good but anything above 50 grains of powder caused it to kill on one end and maim on the other. Now I'm not a little guy and at the time I was shooting a two band Enfield, a three band Springfield, a musketoon(all 58 cal.) and a Smith Carbine in competition but something about the stock configuration on that Sharon made it the most abusive rifle (bar none) that I have ever shot.
February 15, 2005, 11:31 PM
I had a .50 armsport that was a real lightweight rifle- I shot 3F 100 gr.(I know-I know! :eek: )(and it did shoot accurate with that load- after the flames cleared! :D )out of it regularly and it kicked like a mule with lead feet- always got a big cheek bruise and took ribbing at work the next day-who'd you fight? :D
February 16, 2005, 03:37 PM
How about this?
Just to stay on the safe side with any CVA, Traditions, or Winchester muzzleloader, I would stay away from heavy charges of powder (anything over 100 grains), say like Pyrodex and especailly with Triple Seven powder, and heavy bullet weights.
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