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DmL5
August 10, 2004, 04:47 PM
Anyone here know of any police departments, SF units, etc that are using the 5.7mm FN P-90? I know of several myself, but i'd like to know if there are any I haven't heard about; I would also appreciate any pics or videos of it. Thanks in advance.

boofus
August 10, 2004, 06:09 PM
The Houston PD has some P90s for their SWAT guys I think.

cookhj
August 10, 2004, 06:53 PM
the secret service has some, and i believe that they're eventually going to use them exclusively.

DmL5
August 10, 2004, 10:07 PM
The Houston PD has some P90s for their SWAT guys I think.


Yep, here's an article: http://www.trmagonline.com/Spring2003TR/spring2003experienceswiththefnp90.htm





the secret service has some, and i believe that they're eventually going to use them exclusively.

I believe they are now; it replaced the UZI and MP5, and from what I hear, they're very pleased with it.

DmL5
August 14, 2004, 12:33 PM
Thanks for the input, here is a list of the ones I know of:

Austrian Military Jagdkommando Special Unit
Belgian DSU
Belgian VIP Protection
Canada Montreal SWAT
Cyprus Army Special Forces
Cyprus Army National Guard
Dominican Republic CT Team
Dutch KCT
Dutch Marines BBE
French GIGN
French Special Forces VIP Protection
German BKA
Greek EKAM CT Unit
Israeli SABACH
Italian Police Special Forces
Mexico CT Unit
Pakistan Special Services Group
Peruvian Special Forces
Philippines CT Team
Portuguese Police GOE
Saudi Arabian Special Forces
Singapore Army Special Forces
Spanish GEO CT Unit
Swedish Army
Thai Special Forces
US Atlanta SRT
US Burbank Police Department
US Dallas/Fort Worth SWAT Team
US Federal Protective Service
US Houston, Texas SWAT Team
US Olathe, KS SWAT
US Secret Service
Venezuelan Army Special Forces

MrPink
August 16, 2004, 11:09 AM
Man, I had the opportunity to run a mag through one at a recent MG shoot. What a sweet gun. The dealer had it set up with an EOtech. Talk about compact. Easy to get into and stay on target.

Its a damn shame I can't own one.

DmL5
August 18, 2004, 10:27 AM
I just found this on another board:



Be sure and pick up the sept.6 issue of shotgun news thats on the shelves now...it has a write up on the P90/FN57 also alludes to FN is working on a civy P90(a 16"barrel semi auto carbine P90) for the U.S. market as well as a ultra short action bolt gun in5.7x28mm

FirstFreedom
August 18, 2004, 12:35 PM
Ooooh, civvy P90 - melikes.

OBIWAN
August 18, 2004, 03:17 PM
Trying to keep an open mind...but......

A 16" barrel would likely take away the biggest advantage of the system

The P90 is a case where the launching platform is far more desirable than the round.

Turning it into something the size of an M4 would be a step backward IMHO

Something akin to a pistol caliber carbine

Casp_A
August 18, 2004, 08:14 PM
Don't P-90's have major problems with magazine jamming, or is that just an oft-exaggerated occasional problem?

DmL5
August 18, 2004, 09:54 PM
The rumor was that if the mag/gun were dropped when the mag was 1/2 full, it would jam, so you would have to reload a new magazine; here are some bits of info I have found on the net regarding this:


In fact when they (US Secret Service) reliability tested the P90, it had only two malfunctions in 50,000 rounds out of 5 different guns. They stated in their report form the James J. Reilly Secret Service Training Center that the P90 is the most reliable weapon ever tested by that facility.

Worse case scenario: Drop the mag, 1 round MIGHT fall out. If you manage to break the base plate, which is highly unlikely, you could lose the ammo. This is true for any magazine. One of the FN reps I talked to fired over 85,000 rounds in demos over a 3 year period and has never heard of such a thing.

Esteves
October 1, 2004, 07:19 PM
Does anyone have (and are they willing to transcribe) the article in question?

DmL5 wrhote: I just found this on another board:

Quote:
Be sure and pick up the sept.6 issue of shotgun news thats on the shelves now...it has a write up on the P90/FN57 also alludes to FN is working on a civy P90(a 16"barrel semi auto carbine P90) for the U.S. market as well as a ultra short action bolt gun in5.7x28mm

DmL5
October 3, 2004, 04:18 PM
Does anyone have (and are they willing to transcribe) the article in question?


Well, it looks like the civilian P-90 was merely a rumor. Here is an FN rep's post from a different board:

Because of the very Shotgun News article you refer to, I asked FN Herstal engineers specifically on 14 September if they were working on a US civilian-legal version of the P90, and the answer was and is still: NOT AT THIS TIME (it is also not being worked on by engineers here at FNMI, should the question come up).

If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.

Clint Lynch
Senior Product Designer
FN Manufacturing, Inc.
clintl@fnmfg.com

Solidsheep
October 3, 2004, 04:31 PM
Here (http://files.chevrofreak.com/videos/gun/shootout%20at%20blackwater/P90.wmv ) is an interesting video about the FN P 90 :) (the video takes +/- 5 Mbytes )

GeorgeF
October 6, 2004, 12:37 PM
Any word on civilian semi models yet?