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Johnny Guest
May 21, 2004, 10:19 AM
Okay, this is a fun forum, but I note we haven't had any NEW topics for a few days. Just for discussion's sake, let's play a variation on the silly game, of What If . . .?

Say you can buy any full auto piece within reason. I mean, please don't say, "Gimme a 30mm Gatling and an A10 Warthog to transport it." No impulse purchase - -Maybe, you have to wait 30 days to close any deal, so you must take some time to shop around.

Maybe you've won a contest and are awarded the purchase price of the gun only. Take into consideration that you'll need to buy your own accessories, and the ammo you'll shoot. A WWII Nambu light machine gun would be nifty, but, have you priced the ammo lately? OTOH, an Uzi is not all that exotic, but ammo is cheap, and mags and spare parts are easy to locate, and they're a lotta fun to shoot.

Me, I'd have to give this deal some thought. I'd love to have a vintage belt-fed like a Vickers or 1917 Browning. But a BAR or maybe an M3 SMG would certainly be more portable . . . . :p

What say ye?

Best,
Johnny

Hkmp5sd
May 21, 2004, 10:31 AM
http://www.scs.wsu.edu/~pbourque/images/guns/p90.gif

Chipperman
May 21, 2004, 12:02 PM
Well, in "real terms" I've decided that the next FA gun purchase will be a 1928 Thompson. Don't think it will happen any time soon, though.

I'd love to get an AK, but I'd have to take a Thompson first.

For dreaming, I guess I'd choose an M60

Joshua Hutchison
May 21, 2004, 12:16 PM
I wish I could one day have a simple 9mmMAC....one day I proly will :)

ACP230
May 21, 2004, 12:26 PM
I've got some subguns, so I'd pick a BAR, or an M14.

Second choices are an AR18, or some other FA battle rifle. The M2 Carbine might also be a contender. I've shot both a FND (an improved BAR) and an actual M14 and liked both a lot.

Fly320s
May 21, 2004, 05:43 PM
I drool over the MP5.

Gimme one with a registerd receiver, straight stock, 3 lug barrel, paddle mag release and SEF trigger group.

Not that I've really thought about it at all. :rolleyes: I certainly haven't priced them every week and kicked myself for being too chicken/cheap to buy one.

Powderman
May 21, 2004, 10:07 PM
Mine would have to be the M1 Thompson. I'll take a Savage, thankyouverymuch, with a plethora of stick mags and at least 3 each of the 50 and 100 round drums.

Or, if I had to pick a bigger caliber, I'll take my old pig--also known as Gun, Machine, 7.62x51 NATO, M60, with equipment. I LOVE those things!

(Plus at least a Dillon Super 1050 or a Camdex machine to service both of them.)

MrPink
May 24, 2004, 10:06 AM
Easy: Stoner 63A, if all the various parts don't count as "the gun", the one set up I'd want is the short barrel belt fed.

An MG42 would also be really nice.

Brian Williams
May 24, 2004, 12:07 PM
I would go with a M16 or a M2 carbine.

Johnny Guest
May 24, 2004, 01:58 PM
Getting some interesting replies.

I guess I should have placed the limitation on choices" "You must pick an item which would be possible to legally own." Reason I mention this is that HKMP5SD chose the FN P90. As far as I know, this item is of such new production, none are legally transferable in the USA. Well, come to think to it, I didn't stipulate the purchase had to be made in this country, did I? :confused:

Ummm, Powderman - - The M1 and M1A1 Thompsons won't take the standard Type L and Type C drums, without a lot of custom machining/modifications. Need a 1921 or 1928 for the drums.

I kinda like MrPink's MG42 choice - - There's still a lot of cheap 8mm ammo around . . . . ;)

Best,
Johnny

Mute
May 24, 2004, 02:02 PM
MP5SD3 or Walther WA2000.

Mac Attack
May 24, 2004, 02:37 PM
I would purchase one of the three from the WWII vintage:

M1 Thompson

M3A1 Greesegun

MP40 Schmeisser

Mac

CleverNickname
May 24, 2004, 05:03 PM
FN M240.

Daryl Waldron
May 24, 2004, 05:33 PM
For me it would be the M3A1 Greesegun. A close 2nd would be a BAR.

Winston Smith
May 24, 2004, 05:56 PM
m2 .50 cal machine gun. You know, for home defense? :eek: ;) :cool:

More realistically, one of these:

http://remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/pdw/pdwrig.gif


CC'ing that would be... incredible.

boofus
May 24, 2004, 07:49 PM
The new Steyr AUG A3 looks nice! :D

http://foto.bernama.com/foto/Photo/1304_4.jpg

I don't see why someone with a registered trigger pack can't get the A3 upper receiver and build one of these.

4V50 Gary
May 24, 2004, 07:54 PM
I'd like to have a M-2 mounted on the Landrover. Absent that, a M1928 Thompson. Guess I'm an old fashion type of guy.

Jody Hudson
May 24, 2004, 08:32 PM
I have everything I want...

However, a custom Enforcer in .30 carbine where everything was made better, prettier, more reliable and even more accurate would be quite nice! :D

MeekAndMild
May 24, 2004, 09:32 PM
Given any Class III I'd want either a BAR or a Nigerian BM 59 with a match barrel and trigger work. But then a Mini Uzi would be nice. Or maybe a Thompson. A 1919. MG 42.


Never mind. :(

444
May 25, 2004, 12:20 AM
Ok, I guess I will play. I am not really into FA stuff, but if I could get one free I gotta make a choice.
MP5: I occasionally compete in local machine gun matches and I think this would be the most practical gun for that type of competition.
M3: This is one that I would really like to have just because I have always liked it. I was actually issued one of these in the US Military in the early 1980s.
Then of course if I could have anything, I might just go for the most expensive thing I could lay hands on and sell it. I normally don't sell guns but when you are talking about 20-30k I could get interested in it.

Tamara
May 25, 2004, 08:33 AM
It'd have to be cheap to feed and relatively easy to find mags for...

Probably a registered receiver HK-94 buzzgun.

loopy
May 25, 2004, 08:50 AM
The Ingram model 10, simply because i never fired it. Anyone have any experience with it? Curious how it groups on full auto, compared to e.g. an Mp5.

Red_SC
May 25, 2004, 09:29 AM
I think I'd end up going with an M16. Just 'cuz.

MrPink
May 25, 2004, 09:36 AM
Johnny Guest,

The thing to remember about the MG42 is it is basically the modern day issue machinegun. Why bother shooting 8mm out of it, just buy the .308 kit and barrrels and have a go.

Oh, if I only had $25,000.

I'd probably end up shooting the MG42 more than a Stoner 63A. The Stoner would be great, but a real bitch if any part broke. so change my vote/wish to the MG42 and I'll make do with a Shrike on my M16 if they ever come to fruition.

Benton
May 25, 2004, 10:10 AM
I've been mulling over this question for a few days now, torn between an L2A3 Sterling and a Vickers. While the Sterling would get more use, be cheaper to shoot, easier to maintain, and a lot more convenient to move around, the Vickers idea has won me over. If I could have one at no cost, I'd spring for an authentic British uniform of the Great War-style so that I could look the part when firing it. The Vickers would see sparse range time, but I could enjoy it everyday; setup behind sandbags in a corner, it would compliment the decor of most any room in the house.

Hkmp5sd
May 25, 2004, 05:31 PM
And you happen to have a registered M16, here's the perfect upper for a mere $5,000.
http://www.brpguns.com/images/41801test.jpg

BigD
May 31, 2004, 03:36 PM
Though they are not available to us ordinary citizens, I'd likely go with the gun I shot on Saturday - SIG 552...or maybe I'd "settle" for a 551. :D

THE .41 MAN
June 4, 2004, 04:44 AM
I'll have what Winston posted the picture of last page. Then, I'd sell it and get a folding stock Uzi; .45ACP, and .41AE conversions; and about 10 cases of FMJ ammo for each for practice. If I had enough money left over, I'd add a can. :p

LiquidTension7
June 5, 2004, 10:00 PM
A G36, just because nobody else has one :p

gifted
June 6, 2004, 07:58 PM
I'd have to say an Uzi, M2, or a GAU-19, becuase as a video game fan, I could think of something to do with it and a HUMMV with extensive modifications.

thumbtack
June 6, 2004, 11:23 PM
I would have to say the MP5SD, I really like that gun.

daytriper
June 21, 2004, 12:28 PM
i would have to get a russion 7.62x54R rpk machine gun or an ak47 as a 2nd choice . them russions make real killer guns , work great and fun &cheap to shoot

4V50 Gary
June 21, 2004, 12:42 PM
What would I want? A M-2 machine gun and a pintle mount. I'd rig up the surviving Land Rover with a turret ring and play Rommel with it.

OK, let's say the ducats don't go that far. I'd settle for a M1928 Thompson.

Byron Quick
June 22, 2004, 10:46 AM
FN Model D BAR. .308 Adjustable rate of fire. Portable.

jercamp45
August 30, 2004, 06:40 PM
Not because it is full auto, but because of the modern construction, light weight, short barrel and folding stock...it would spend most of it's shooting career on semi. Trick it out...add a suppressor(which could be transfered to one of several .45 pistols), mags, surefire, reddot.
I'd be quite happy with that combo.....but the class III dealer needs to have 'tried' to sell it to a LE agency before I can get my hands on one.
I have played with the Thompson, UZI, GreaseGun, Mac-10 and MP-5(not to mention HK G-3, M-16A1, M60 and Ma Duece); but for portable enjoyment and practicality the UMP fits well into my arsenal.
I like my AK as a Semi, and it is tricked just right for me, so it do most of what I need done.
AWB sunset....time for a Galil folding stock!!
Jercamp45

Casp_A
August 30, 2004, 08:13 PM
It pays the full price of the gun, any Class III? ANY Class III?

http://www.montysminiguns.com/standingtall.JPG

Yea, accessories are expensive, but I'd never, ever be able to afford the gun itself on my own. I think the last price I heard for an NFA legal one was $125,000.

NINE
August 31, 2004, 01:38 AM
http://swissarms2.ath.cx/uploads/pics/SG-552_Commando_v.re_02.jpg
Swiss Arms SG 552 Commando

Solidsheep
August 31, 2004, 10:56 AM
Same as NINE, take a SIG assault rifle ( it is accurate and robust ) :)

trapshooter
September 1, 2004, 08:38 AM
I'll play.

Staying within the 'legal-to-own' boundaries, I'd have to go with the Thompson with the 100-rnd drum mag. :eek:

Second choice would be an M4. :cool:

The M2 would be way too expensive to feed and lug around, but I might opt for one, simply because after I ran a few belts through it, I could probably sell it and buy both of my other choices. :D

importfan
September 2, 2004, 06:22 PM
mini-gun..........plane and simple

hoosierdaddy
September 3, 2004, 04:02 PM
I've always wanted an MP5 A3.

TNGO
September 5, 2004, 08:51 AM
Browning 1919A4 .30-06
or
HK33
or
MP5/10
or
M2HB

Schuey2002
September 7, 2004, 01:32 AM
I would probably choose a HK MP5 or one sort or the other.

Barry in IN
September 7, 2004, 07:59 PM
SMG- MP5
MG- MG42
General purpose- M16; I can get a variety of uppers.
Just because they're neat, to me, anyway- Lewis MG

wasrjoe
September 8, 2004, 07:14 PM
'42, with M3 and MP5 tied for a close second. Holy fark, I can't imagine how fun it would be to light up something with a '42. Makes me all tingly. :D

cookie
September 11, 2004, 08:20 PM
There's only one choice for me...

http://www.uzitalk.com/reference/shoots/uzitalk2004/cookie3.jpg

:D

dfaugh
September 17, 2004, 06:50 AM
Big budget = GE minigun
Small budget = 1919A4

Jamie Young
September 17, 2004, 07:30 PM
I would buy a SS AC556 folding stock = A-Team influence.

But If I won a contest I would ask for a REAL FNFAL.

Stephen A. Camp
September 17, 2004, 09:30 PM
Hello, Johnny. Sterling 9mm SMG, suppressed w/plenty of spare magazines and parts.

Best.

gordo b.
September 17, 2004, 11:25 PM
I'd like a waterjacketed 1919(I think thats right) .50 cal Browning. But I would not mind the same in 30-06. I love waterjacketed Brownings! A cherry Lewis gun would be neat also ! :D

Casp_A
September 18, 2004, 02:31 AM
I'd like a waterjacketed 1919(I think thats right) .50 cal Browning. But I would not mind the same in 30-06. I love waterjacketed Brownings! A cherry Lewis gun would be neat also !
Water-cooled .50bmg is the original M2 (as in, not an M2HB, or Heavy Barrel air-cooled version). Watercooled .30-06 is M1917.

Geoff Timm
September 18, 2004, 05:45 AM
I want an M-16A2, with the full auto switch, not the 3 rd burst.

Geoff
Who packed a M-16A1 many many moons agone. :cool:

Antikristuseke
September 18, 2004, 02:06 PM
Personaly id ask for a WW2 MG-42 or FG-42

webley455
September 18, 2004, 04:21 PM
WOW- No question for me :Purdey 28guage fitted just right. :p

Johnny Guest
September 19, 2004, 03:11 PM
webley455, you may have missed the premise of this particular topic:
Say you can buy any full auto piece within reason. . . .
Maybe you've won a contest and are awarded the purchase price of the gun only. No doubt about it, a Purdey of any kind wold be a worthwhile addition to anyone's gun cabinet, but I've never heard or read about them doing machine guns. :p

Johnny

Third_Rail
September 19, 2004, 04:53 PM
Something with a really high cyclic rate and a watercooled barrel.

Don't know what, exactly.

jwp
November 6, 2004, 11:25 PM
got macs in 9/45, uzi/m16 etc hard choice from m3 greaser to another m16 which would get the xmg mg34 upper in 308

v188
November 7, 2004, 04:27 PM
This is easy. There's only two guns I don't have and really, I mean really want: BAR of any type (although I have a specific type in mind) and a BREN.

I would then be a happy man.











LIFE IS GOOD!

shaggy
November 7, 2004, 04:48 PM
So many to choose from...

A PK would be high on my list, as would an M240G, or an M2HB.

foogoo
November 7, 2004, 07:03 PM
A nice MAC or AK47, even AK varient. But living in Kali, I know for a fact will never happen. :mad:

MeekAndMild
November 7, 2004, 07:25 PM
A vintage BAR with a detailed history of where it has been and who carried it...

The history would be more important that the gun. Maybe the battle for Sicily or the seige of Bastogne, maybe Midway Island, maybe Okinawa, perhaps the Chosin resevoir.

saspic
November 14, 2004, 01:55 AM
MP5/10.

http://remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/mp5/mp510/mp510.htm

This site has video
http://www.hkpro.com/MP5-10.htm

And here it is built with Legos!
http://onyx.malagraphixia.com/HK_MP5/HK_MP5.htm

gmoney
November 15, 2004, 05:29 PM
Probably a MP5, M14 or a Barrett 10 round semi-auto ( M82 ? )

smithyman
November 17, 2004, 11:42 PM
MP5 :eek:

GeorgeF
November 19, 2004, 02:28 PM
Either a Steyr-Hahn model 1916 (with Shoulder Stock) or one of the Star Model machine pistols based on the 1911 (I would prefer the .45 version but 9mm would do in a pinch).

guy sajer
November 24, 2004, 10:52 AM
I would want back the Winchester M1918 BAR that I sold . :(

nobanforme
November 26, 2004, 12:19 PM
have to go with an UZI... Just for fun :D

CQBArms
November 26, 2004, 01:06 PM
A transferable minigun....a license to print money if there ever was one.

CobrayCommando
November 26, 2004, 04:40 PM
An XM-214 5.56 minigun capable of firing 10,000 rounds per minute, so I can mount it on a humvee and mow down infantry.

If thats not available, http://www.american180.com/history/quadmt.html
for mounting on a Cessna. Again for mowing down infantry.

A phased plasma rifle in the 40 kilowatt range.

fed168
November 26, 2004, 04:43 PM
Oh boy. Probably an FG-42 if I could find it, or a BAR.

jbkalla
November 26, 2004, 09:12 PM
Oooh! Oooh! The new (soon to be designated) M8! With all attachments/modifications.

GoSlash27
November 27, 2004, 08:18 AM
http://www.geocities.com/specialairservice22nd/mp5sd_r3_c2.gif
/edit not quite right, tho'. It needs the navy ambidextrous selector :D

BryanP
December 1, 2004, 10:32 AM
A full auto M16A2, if only because there are so many uppers I could then put on it.

Failing that, probably a real AK or an RPK.

PMDW
December 1, 2004, 04:01 PM
The XM8 will never be adopted by the military. :)


http://behun8.srv.hu/pics/cod/mg42.jpg

That'd be my choice

Danindetroit
December 1, 2004, 09:57 PM
HK21E
or
BAR Model 1922 and some custom 30 to 40 rd mags

ETCss Phil McCrackin
December 1, 2004, 10:42 PM
Although some have already mentioned it, the FG-42 would be my choice.
http://www.civilwar.de/galerie/fg42_01.jpg

NGP58
December 2, 2004, 06:56 PM
BAR first choice,then maybe an M2. :D

DarkKnight01
December 3, 2004, 09:05 PM
mp5

ive always loved this weapon... its EXTREMELY reliable...

Derius_T
December 3, 2004, 11:38 PM
Mmmmmm.........M240 Bravo................ :D

Or maybe an M249 SAW. AWESOME WEAPON!



Or for concealed carry, a glock g18c. also awesome weapon.

Man I need to learn how to post pictures on here. Not much beats a SAW.

Chiram2003
December 4, 2004, 02:54 AM
I guess I should have placed the limitation on choices" "You must pick an item which would be possible to legally own." Reason I mention this is that HKMP5SD chose the FN P90. As far as I know, this item is of such new production, none are legally transferable in the USA. Well, come to think to it, I didn't stipulate the purchase had to be made in this country, did I?

Actually, some SWAT teams are now switching to the FN P90. However, they are still illegal for civilian purchase. But they sure are fun to shoot! :rolleyes:

Cowled_Wolfe
December 11, 2004, 04:00 AM
Select-fire (semi/4-shot/auto) 10/22 in stainless, blued. Barrel: .920"OD bull, 5" to 8" long to keep things subsonic with el-cheapo ammo. Barrel's threaded to accept a silencer (roughly 12 to 16 inches long). Stock would be a thumbhole-style pistol grip synthetic with collabsible butt. Fore-grip would be made to accept a forward pistol grip. sighting would be a ghost-ring replacement of regular sights, as well as either a 3-9x scope or red dot sight on a quick-detatch mount. With a gun like that, I'd dish out the money for a few 100rd. drums.

I pick this because ammo is cheap, because it's quiet (I like quiet guns), it can do full-auto sprays and 4-shot bursts, it'd be able to do 'accurate' work with semi-auto, and because it would look cool.

Edit: Might make it belt-fed, also. Dunno though.

abelew
December 12, 2004, 05:48 PM
Id prefer something like a saw (cheap ammo, shot them), m240, minigun, mk19, and then sell the puppy for 10 times what its worth in about 10 years.

The reason I mention the above items is that I have seen them avaliable for civ. purchase, even the mk19 auto grenade launcher.

Ozzieman
December 16, 2004, 09:28 PM
I drove from northern Indiana to Kentucky to shoot one and for $30 A MAG it was the cheepest fun I ever had.
In my book John Browning is one GREAT American, one of the best, yet show me one school book that would ever even mention his name.
This is the country we live in, what Teddy and his cronies want for us.

Marko Kloos
December 18, 2004, 10:38 PM
Hmmm...pre-'86 transferable? Plenty of cool burpguns out there. I'd want an American 180, as that would be the only SMG I can actually afford to feed.

Anything goes/post '86 LE/dealer samples? I'd want a P90, too.

Tamara
December 19, 2004, 01:35 AM
as that would be the only SMG I can actually afford to feed.

Win yerself the lotto and buy a transferrable Tippmann. :D

pointfiveoh
December 19, 2004, 04:17 PM
I'd def. have to go with the M249 or a Vulcan Cannon, that Vulcan would make me pee my pants mounted in the bed of my truck.

shaggy
December 19, 2004, 05:52 PM
I'd want an American 180, as that would be the only SMG I can actually afford to feed.

When you can burn through more than half a brick of .22 in a few seconds, they're not really that cheap to feed. At a cyclic rate of about 30 rds/second, all that cheap .22 ammo starts adding up real fast. I buy .22 ammo by the case (5000rds in a case) and it doesn't last very long; maybe 2-3 trips to the range. Funny how people think they're cheap to feed because of the cost of .22, but they forget about the rate of rife and the kind of volume that thing can consume.


(BTW - mine is for sale :D )

sarmstrong806
December 19, 2004, 06:31 PM
I'd want a Mini-Uzi or some other handgun sized SMG like a MAC 10.

So I could shoot it one-handed.

Hollowpnt
December 20, 2004, 02:21 AM
I'm not really a full-auto guy, but my top choice would be an IMI .45 Uzi.
Of course if the sky were the limit, and although its semi auto, it owes its beginings to the FA .50 Brownings: Long distance its the next best thing to being there! :D

FirstFreedom
December 20, 2004, 06:34 PM
Probably the FN F2000 (not the P90 - that thing is nearly worthless). Or an HKMP5-10, or possibly a Sig 551.

missourigunner
March 9, 2005, 06:38 AM
M1 Thompson would be my First choice. BAR my second.

miuwcm3
March 9, 2005, 11:22 PM
well, i would have to say for portability give me my m-249, but if i really had to choose, and i do enjoy reaching out and touching someone, give me the old tried and true 50bmg. it may take a couple of trips to the car to lug everything, but it would sure turn heads :D

Unique 5.7
March 10, 2005, 02:03 PM
General Patton's .45's.

Johnny Guest
March 10, 2005, 04:16 PM
Unique 5.7 wrote, "General Patton's .45's."

1. Original premise: Say you can buy any full auto piece within reason. 2. Do you really think ANY of Patton's pistols would/could be sold for any amount of money?

3. Have they located another Patton .45? I know there's at least one photo of him wearing a 1911-type in a shoulder holster. There's also an anecdote to the effect that he had an unintentional discharge ([I]in the holster!! :eek: ) I've never heard of a 1911 being exhibited, though.

Of course, his engraved, ivory stocked Single Action Army was a .45 Colt. That other ivory-stocked revolver most often illustrated was really an S&W .357 magnum. :p

Best,
Johnny

Unique 5.7
March 10, 2005, 04:36 PM
Doh! I overlooked the auto part, but what was the point of the winning a prize for the purchase price only, then? I thought they were both .45s, did not know the other was a .357. Okay, then I'll settle for a .45 SAA copy of his for ~ $2000, but then this is no auto as you specified.
Now that you mention it, OK I'd like that 1911A1 in the photo, presumably it doesn't cost too much if it has not been displayed and is not famous.

UziAnnie
March 12, 2005, 11:39 AM
An Uzi of course but I would settle for an M16. Both are fun to shoot!

3 weelin geezer
March 12, 2005, 07:34 PM
I would want an mg 42 and all the ammo I could carry away (not necessarily in one trip with a wheel barrow!) or one of those 50 quads again with all the ammo I could want.

stephen426
March 12, 2005, 09:28 PM
The only full auto I have fired is an HK MP5 that an FDLE officer was nice n¡ce enough to let me try out. This gun is incredible. The recoil force come straight back and there is practically no muzzle rise. I have shot a semiauto Uzi before and it is not nearly as controllable. You won't go broke shooting 9mm (within reason of course) and you can shoot single, 3 round bursts, or full auto. Accuracy is freaking incredible for a full auto weapon.

Excuse my stupidity but what is an M3 SMG? I though that is the BMW I have parked in my garage. Everybody wants the M3 name... Duracell Batteries, Mach 3 Shavers, now guns? I know SMG stands for Sub Machine Gun but when it comes to Bimmers, it means Sequential Manual Gearbox. :D

M4A3
March 12, 2005, 11:34 PM
http://pictures.auctionarms.com/7923070154/ACFC7E7.jpg

As much as I love the M4, If I has to choose one weapon it would be the M249.

Dead
March 13, 2005, 12:24 PM
umm 1918A2, M1 Thompson, M2 Carbine, 1919A4, M14, MP5, M4A1... For the most part in that order.

Johnny Guest
March 18, 2005, 07:53 PM
stephen426 - -

An apt question, and happily, one I can answer off the top of my head.

US Submachine Gun M3 - - Dubbed the "Grease Gun" from a real similarity to the auto garage tool from the olden days prior to sealed bearings.

Both the US and Britian were inspired by the German MP38 and MP40 machine pistols, and it took a long time to manufacture a Thompson SMG. Britian went with the Sten (Shephard + Turpin + ENfield, which is worthy of a lengthy entry in its own right. The US originated the M3. Both made extensive use of sheet metal stampings and screw machines, with milling only on the bolt.

The M3 (and later M3A1) were mostly manufactured by the Guide Lamp Division of GeneralMotors, a plant with lots of expreience in metalstampings. They were cal. .45 ACP (though easily converted to 9mm, by substitution of the bolt, barrel, and magazine) and all had collapsible wire stocks. They used a heavy 30 round magazine and had a rather slow rate of fire - - around 400 -- 450 rpunds per minute. The M3 had a crank-like handle on the right side to retract the bolt, while the M3A1 simply provided a finger hole in the bolt. The "safety" was the ejection port cover which locked the bolt in place.

By the end of WWII, the M1A1 Thompson SMG was totally out of production, supplanted by the M3A1, though some TSMGs remained in US service into the Korean war.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12199
M3A1, from ca. 1944.
Both the M3 and M3A1 were usually seen without the flash hider.

Best,
Johnny

guy sajer
March 18, 2005, 09:02 PM
Nice history lesson Johnny . The WWII smg's are too cool :cool:


I didn't win a contest , but I am waiting on my transfer to clear on a Guide Lamp M3 . She's a sweety ! I'll post some pics in about 3-4 months :( :D
There's no way it should take that long to transfer ! They have a photo and print cards .

I've owned the MP40 and Reising smgs . Just have an M1 Savage from 1942 left . I've wanted a Grease Gun for years ! Found a deal :)

I friend of mine was driver in an Abrams in the first Gulf War . He said they had a Grease Gun in their tank .

2400
March 19, 2005, 09:59 PM
Stoner 63A

RangerWannabe
March 24, 2005, 09:37 PM
I would have to go with an M3A1 "grease gun". how can you go wrong with a .45 subgun?

LuckyInKentucky
March 25, 2005, 01:17 AM
Gimme an German MG42 and let me go 'chuck some rocks' down at Knob Creek Gun Range (http://www.machinegunshoot.com/) !

shaggy
March 25, 2005, 06:43 PM
The next best thing to an M240

http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=27543

stephen426
March 25, 2005, 07:42 PM
Thanks Johnny. I'd still think the M3 from BMW is better although having a full auto M3 grease gun could allow you to easily jack one (hell, you could jack a Ferrari or Lambo for that matter!). Thanks for the history lesson.

Rpn1984
March 25, 2005, 07:49 PM
p90 or a hk ump :D

MTMilitiaman
March 29, 2005, 01:23 AM
An M2 Lightweight or a Krebs AK.

futureforcewarrior22
March 29, 2005, 07:58 PM
A British L1A1 SLR, automatic capable, with a few 30 rounders and an M203 under the barrel, plus a couple hundred rounds of 40mm HEDP.

luchs
April 15, 2005, 11:30 AM
my first choice is a MG42/59 in 7,62x51 that have the advantage to use the NATO links...
the second is a good BREN in 7,62x51
for the SMg MAB 38 and or in semiauto a BT 96..
for a rifle M16A2 or old good FAL BM 59 italalpini..

Andrew LB
April 15, 2005, 05:45 PM
I'd probbaly go for an M-16a2 or an M-14a1.

I've shot both in their semiautomatic varieties and they were both great fun.

I also recently shot an M-17 Bullpup and thought it was a great rifle. Some random guy at the range let me pop off 30 rounds with his after i asked what the rifle was. He was really cool, i didn't ask to shoot it... he simply offered.

Definately something i wasn't going to pass up.

carolinaflats
April 15, 2005, 05:51 PM
Hk Mp5sd :d

panzer426
April 21, 2005, 08:08 PM
dont know what it is but the huge truck mounted full auto belt fed at the beginning of the movie "tremors 3", or the em guns from "eraser" (not sure if they were full auto though?)

Stiletto
April 21, 2005, 08:56 PM
If it were at all legal, a P90. (How are they worthless?)

Since they're not...a Bizon in 9mm (http://www.world.guns.ru/smg/smg08-e.htm)?

That would be FUN to trick out...get a more comfortable grip, mod in a collimator sight, replace the stock with something sturdier...

panzer426
April 21, 2005, 09:13 PM
p90 WOULD be fun

panzer426
April 21, 2005, 09:28 PM
I know its not a full auto but...Steyr AMR/IWS 2000 http://www.world.guns.ru/sniper/sn46-e.htm

general dynamics 12.7mm
http://www.world.guns.ru/machine/mg39-e.htm

Thx1138
April 28, 2005, 08:12 PM
I would like an ARES Shrike with 75 grain blended metal ammo.

Stiletto
April 29, 2005, 01:11 AM
Hmm...

...a modified G43 with a muzzle brake, scope, and a modern stock with adjustable pull and cheekrest?

I think I'll stand by my Bizon or P90 statements, though.

just one question
April 29, 2005, 03:19 PM
i would take the glock 18


http://www.glock.com/g18.htm

jonoboy
September 27, 2005, 02:18 AM
Narrowed it down to a few,

F2000
UMP
Tavor CTAR-21
Walther WA2000
Sako TRG-42

No, ya know what? screw it! I want em all! :D

CypherNinja
September 27, 2005, 02:22 AM
For some reason, I've always wanted a FAMAS.

If not that, then the G36, P90, and Bizon are all tied for second.

czc3513
September 27, 2005, 03:08 AM
FAMAS G2 SMG

Clint50
September 28, 2005, 04:18 PM
Bren in .308cal
FN M249
Browning 1918A3 BAR
H&K MP5SD
Mini Uzi

Steamboatsig
September 29, 2005, 01:08 PM
I would get an XD. :)

iiwas
November 1, 2005, 02:47 PM
240-B, Ma Duece, my SAW, for domestic. RPK or bizon 9 mil for russian.

gdeal
November 1, 2005, 03:51 PM
Because they are good + so expensive.

rugerdude
November 1, 2005, 06:36 PM
FAMAS F1 (the older version, the new onle looks too spacey and round) mmmmm....... what a sweet looking gun!

model 25
November 1, 2005, 09:48 PM
Sorry to hear my 3 calibur UZI isn't exotic enough but to play the game I am sure I could afford to feed a 249 SAW. Seen em work and have shot them, all I would need :D :D

25

Dante690
November 2, 2005, 01:25 AM
An M16A1, the original design. I don't like the new stuff. Or an M2 Carbine...maybe both. :cool:

Scout Sniper
November 4, 2005, 09:36 AM
Alrighty then, My choice would be a: M82A1 50cal. /w a 10x Unertal Scope & 6 Mags.;) or an Original M1903A1 Sniper Rifle from WWI or WWII:D

in the FA range it would have to be an MP-5/10mm there just to cool:D :eek:

Leif
November 4, 2005, 10:24 AM
I'm not much into fantasy ... or Class III ... :p

But if I won, I think I'd go with old British Sterling SMG ... unless I could find an Owen gun, of course.

Short of that, I guess I'd be happy with a HK MP-5K or something in the SIG 550 series.

Powderman
November 4, 2005, 10:33 AM
Got another one....

I'll take a custom bolt rifle, built on a Stolle action, Kreiger heavy barrel, Jewell trigger on a McMillan stock, chambered in 6.5-06 Improved (40 degree shoulder), with either a Nightforce 8-32x56 NXS scope, a Leupold 6.5-20, or perhaps a good Schmidt und Bender 6.5-20.

(yum, yum, yum! Little tiny groups at absurdly long ranges.....;) )

Long Path
November 5, 2005, 09:16 PM
Or an M2 Carbine...maybe both.M2? Don't bother! It's just not that much fun.

Sad thing is, NFA legal MGs and SMGs are all 1986 or earlier technology. There isn't much in the way of "new stuff" available. :(

If ammo was covered in the cost as well, I'd say Ma Deuce.

Barring that, I've enjoyed shooting an M-60 at cross-canyon ranges, which is fun. But the ammo's expensive there, too, isn't it?

Hm. Looks like we're down to SMGs. I sure have appreciated the quality of a HK subgun like an MP-5 with a can on it (do I get the can in the deal?). Sadly, I don't think any of the 10mms were made early enough. :( The plethora of uppers available for M-16s may just win the day, the more I think about it. Maybe an Armalite in .308, so that I could get the conversion kits to .243 and other fun small stuff. (Shrug) It's a fun game to play, isn't it? :)

Capt Charlie
November 5, 2005, 10:29 PM
Boy, I guess I really am an old fart. With all the fancy newer gizmos out there being mentioned, I still opt for a vintage, venerable, WWII era Thompson SMG. That was my prefered carry in the service while most other guys fought over the then "new" M-16's. I'd love to have one today :cool: .

SamD
November 6, 2005, 12:41 AM
A Colt Monitor, new in the wrapper

Sam

cpaspr
November 6, 2005, 01:24 AM
Choices, choices, choices.

Since he did say readily available ammo, I'd have to go with a Thompson. Got to run a couple of 30 round mags through one once, and it was a blast. Would love to be able to cut loose with a full drum now and then. Course, the barrel does tend to want to walk a bit, but with enough practice, who knows? I might be able to keep most on target. Even for a first timer I still kept 94% on the paper.

Webleymkv
November 22, 2005, 08:52 PM
I like historical peices. My list includes a PPSH, MP41, BAR, Bergmann MP28, MAT 49, Bren, and of course the ultimate is a Model 1928 Thompson Submachinegun with the 50 round drum magazine. On the more modern side, I'm kind of partial to the .308 version of the Galil, AKS74U, and the Skorpion.

RRR
November 23, 2005, 02:58 PM
I must be easy to please LOL So here we go... I nicely converted Ruger 10/22 and a Calico M-100 22 rimfire,M3A1 and maybe a 14.5mm Gepard M3.

fisherman66
November 23, 2005, 03:40 PM
50 bmg complete with Blackhawk or Apache.

Pistolenschutze
November 23, 2005, 09:06 PM
The choice would be easy for me: A brand new, still-in-the-cosmoline WWII era Thompson submachine gun. Ammo is cheap, the weapon is still one of the finest SMGs ever made, and they are terrifically fun to shoot.

colt
December 28, 2005, 12:40 AM
is the colt comando. my papa has one and shooting it is like driving an expensive luxury car. it has a pneumatic buffer spring and the trigger is verry short. and with good ol cheap 9mm you cant go wrong

DavidJBlythe
December 28, 2005, 07:19 AM
Heckler & Koch MP5 in either 10mm or 9mm + Silenced.

The MP5 would be my new trunk gun and would go with me everywhere.

Maybe if I could get a sidearm with it I would get a Glock 18. That would be the ultimate as a CCW piece.

bew556
December 29, 2005, 01:23 AM
the fn p90 because it is just so sexy, m3a1 would fall second

guy sajer
December 29, 2005, 08:18 AM
Settle for an M3 ? :)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/mitch61/IMG_1106.jpg

Osborn F. Enready
January 6, 2006, 10:06 AM
I would without a doubt pick one of two guns.....

Either a latest edition .50 BMG with tripod.....

or

ANY model M-60, E-1, E-2, E-3, E-4 though I would prefer the M-60 E-4.

DAWGTRAXX
January 21, 2006, 11:08 PM
MP5...or Thompson

Badreno
January 21, 2006, 11:44 PM
Hhhmm...

Gotta go with the STG44.
http://www.taivaansusi.net/roolipelit/stg-44.jpg

Yeah, I know 7.92x33mm is a bit pricey but if I can afford the rifle I'm not going to be too worried about ammo costs.

DAVID NANCARROW
January 21, 2006, 11:57 PM
I'd have to go with a 1921 Thompson with the horizontal foregrip and the Cutts compensator. Don't know if you can wear a tommygun out-built (and weigh) like a tank!

Bender711
January 22, 2006, 05:39 PM
m4 i got parts by the bucket, and and ammo by the dump truck;) lol.

John2
January 23, 2006, 11:42 AM
Transferable Mag 58 beltfed.:cool:

edman99
January 25, 2006, 05:45 PM
Out of reason: MAG58

Within reason: 1919A4

:D

Dirty_Harry
January 30, 2006, 03:00 PM
I would like a steyr aug. :D

miniuzi
January 30, 2006, 08:31 PM
Anything beltfed with quick change barrels

raydbonz
January 30, 2006, 08:37 PM
I'll go all out & pick a minigun. Yes, there are a few transferable ones - two of them are here in AZ.

GE; they bring good things to life!!

caz223
February 1, 2006, 04:16 PM
No question, L2A3 sterling silenced.
Historic, exotic, distinctive, functional, and cheap to feed.

Whitworth
February 7, 2006, 11:53 AM
Give me a well made military style rifle in 6.8mm.

You can keep all your M4's and 9mm pistols!

Axel357
February 8, 2006, 04:18 AM
An H&K G36C with a suppressor and red-dot scope. I'd sleep at the range if I had one of those.

Chaingunner
March 4, 2006, 02:11 PM
I would personally take a BAR simply because they still make .30-06 (I bet that won't change for a while) and it's mag-fed.

For everyone who chooses belt fed weaponry: Where do you intend to find links for your ammo...?

TexiCali Slim
March 5, 2006, 11:41 PM
Pappa Bear:Browning Automatic Rifle, You know for zombie helicopters.
Mamma Bear:Tec 9, Just to sign my name in abandoned cars.
Baby Bear:Glock 18, Hey girls need jewelry, Guys need sidearms.

shaggy
March 6, 2006, 10:34 AM
For everyone who chooses belt fed weaponry: Where do you intend to find links for your ammo...?

Surplus dealers. Links and belts are easy to find as are the link or belt filling machines to feed them. I get DM-1 belts for about $6/50rd and 1919 cloth belts about $25/250rd and always keep a few thousand rounds of 308 already on links and/or belts. If I want to feed a weapon off of M13 links instead of DM-1's, they are available for about a few cents each and while they are a little more expensive that M13s, M27s are widely available and I 'm pretty sure they can still be had for less than $.10 each. You just need to know where to look. If you buy surplus ammo in bulk you can often find deals on linked ammo; my dealer recently got about 60k-80k of surplus 7.62 NATO on M13 links and in 200rd ammo cans for about $.20/rd.

gunslinger1911ACP
March 6, 2006, 03:10 PM
Hk Mp5

Chaingunner
March 6, 2006, 11:26 PM
Sixty thousand rounds for twenty cents per round, linked? HOLY LORD.


Obviously, the Navy needs to buy from THAT guy, and then maybe I'd get to shoot my M60 again (I've been onboard USS Tarawa for nearly two years. We've had ONE fam-fire for the M60 during that time, in which participants lay prone on the flight deck and fired 25 rounds each. We have ammo for these girls; just no training ammo. I don't know if the Navy realizes it, but people need to constantly shoot and train with live ammo in order to maintain a superior state of readiness...lord, you should see some of these idiots shoot 9mm's on our shooting line..pathetic..)

Silvanus
March 7, 2006, 03:30 AM
H&K G-36 or Sig 550.

OneInTheChamber
March 12, 2006, 04:21 PM
Suppressed M4 with a 203 on it. Top it with an Trijicon ACOG, and gimme, gimme, gimme!

Or for really unpractical, an AT4. Then people might take the NO PARKING sign a little more serious!

shaggy
March 13, 2006, 11:59 AM
Sixty thousand rounds for twenty cents per round, linked? HOLY LORD.


Obviously, the Navy needs to buy from THAT guy, and then maybe I'd get to shoot my M60 again (I've been onboard USS Tarawa for nearly two years. We've had ONE fam-fire for the M60 during that time, in which participants lay prone on the flight deck and fired 25 rounds each. We have ammo for these girls; just no training ammo. I don't know if the Navy realizes it, but people need to constantly shoot and train with live ammo in order to maintain a superior state of readiness...lord, you should see some of these idiots shoot 9mm's on our shooting line..pathetic..)

Chaingunner - I don't recall what kind of ammo that was, but it was surplus of some sort; maybe Portugese. Nice looking stuff and NATO headstamped. Since most of that was going to be used in his minigun, it had to be fairly good (a hangfire in a minigun can be a dangerous thing). Its incredible they don't get you guys ammo for practice - 25rds in two years is shameful. Its one thing to read the manual and shoot a little to get the feel for how a gun like the pig handles, but if you're going to bet your life on it, you should shoot it enough to get familiar with other aspects of using it effectively - like quickly changing belts, barrels, recognizing common problems that can cause jams or failures, clearing drills etc. I have an MG42/MG3 clone and even after thousands upon thousands of rounds downrange I'm still getting used to its little quirks and learning tricks to use it more effectively.

SemperKnight
March 13, 2006, 12:37 PM
http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/000905.htmlHK G36C. Easy to use, HK name, cheap to shoot. Not very expensive though. 1-2Gs.http://www.hkpro.com/g36c.htm
Or maybe even that new experimental XM8 they claim will replace the M16 as the US infantry primary.

buseydggs
March 19, 2006, 07:58 PM
i gotta go with a sopmod m4 ( with all of the accesories)

cant get much better than that