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Tim Whittaker
September 27, 2002, 08:09 PM
I don't quite understand, what makes a shotgun tactical. Could a Rem. 870 with pimp-gold Krylon, a clear stock with goldfish in it, and a mini disco ball light for the front bead be considered a "tactical" 12 bore? BTW I promise to cut back on the caffine by 50%. ..........Whit

Al Thompson
September 27, 2002, 08:26 PM
Tactical used to mean - as used (or suitable for use) by some well regarded unit, police or military. Now it seems to mean "add 20% to the retail price".....

444
September 27, 2002, 08:46 PM
The first time I ever heard the term used was in the military. I was never given a definition, but I assumed it meant that we were trying to assume a posture similar to combat. I didn't put that very well; an example would be a "tactical road march" where you walk off to the sides of the roads in two columns with about a 10 meter spacing between men. As opposed to walking down the road rout stepping in formation. Another example would be a "tactical bivouac" where you are out in the field sleeping in a fox hole as opposed to an "administrative bivouac" where you were out in the field sleeping in your shelter half.
I believe now the term has become a marketing buzz word in the firearms (and related markets) market place for anything that is supposed to be made to look "combat".
Websters definition:
1 : of or relating to combat tactics : as a (1) : of or occurring at the battlefront <tactical defense> <tactical first strike> (2) : using or being weapons or forces employed at the battlefront <tactical missiles> b of an air force : of, relating to, or designed for air attack in close support of friendly ground forces

Ledbetter
September 27, 2002, 08:50 PM
It means:

black
textured
expensive and sometimes
heavy.

Now where can I get one of those 870's with the goldfish?

Regards.

C.R.Sam
September 27, 2002, 10:05 PM
$

Opie-IN
September 27, 2002, 11:17 PM
The one on the right is Tactical.

Tim Whittaker
September 28, 2002, 11:03 AM
I have to agree with you, Erick. I went to the local, Mall Ninja infested, public range this week, and I overheard a few patrons talking about their "tactical" Loudenberger shotguns, I went over to take a look and one fellow asked if he could shoot my 870 PM. He fired 6 rounds and asked how it was that my SG was so much lighter than his. I picked up his 870, that thing had to weigh 12 lbs. I made mention of the great number of accessories he had hanging off of it. To which his reply was "that's what makes it a tactical SG". To each his own I guess. ....Whit

Ledbetter
September 28, 2002, 12:07 PM
really made me laugh.

:cool:

Dave McC
September 28, 2002, 01:37 PM
"Tactical" is like the ads announcing "New and Improved" whatever, utterly meaningless.

As for that Disco 870....

A gunsmith who has done work for me for more than 20 years, had a yen for a Pimp Pistol back around the time Afros and leisure suits were in vogue.

He took a Lightweight Commander in 45ACP and shortened the frame and magazine by one rounds' worth, preceding the Officer's Model by a decade or two.

A little goldplating on small parts like the trigger,bushing,mag latch,hammer, safety,etc, set off the lustrous blue of the slide and frame.

One grip panel was Mother of Pearl, the other clear plexiglass so one could count cartridges left in the shortened,gold plated magazine through the slot cut for just that purpose.

This was the most garish handgun seen this side of Hopalong Cassidy's silver sixguns. It also shot like a house afire, was utterly reliable and had a sweet trigger from all that gold plating filling up all the little irregularities in the base metal.Beauty is as beauty does.

TTBOMK, he still carries it daily.

Mannlicher
September 28, 2002, 07:33 PM
"Tactical" is to a Mall Ninja wannabee, what camo underware is to the hunting set. Flashlights, special attachment rails, laser sights, black synthetic stocks, porting, and all the rest, are gimicks.

easymoney
September 28, 2002, 08:25 PM
Tactical is just a buzz word these days- go to ebay and type "tactical" in the search- absolutely ridiculous!

Skunkabilly
September 29, 2002, 03:09 AM
Tactical, out.

Urban, in.

twix
September 29, 2002, 04:03 PM
Very prudent observation SkunkaB. Here we come through the streets of Baghdad. Hope the Chiefs have figured out a "tactical" way around or through this...

KSFreeman
September 29, 2002, 05:37 PM
Then, when you couldn't bring yourself to say "fighting."

Now, what Mannlicher sez.

twix
September 29, 2002, 05:47 PM
If you are talking to me Mr. Freeman, it was a play on words- tactical/tactful.Rather not have to see Americans "fighting" in Baghdad. Have "fought" myself in the service of the USA.

jimsbowies
September 30, 2002, 02:33 PM
Supersonic, ultrasonic, subsonic, absolute and tonic...lazer, laser, lazik, mall-ninja super death ray bullet/gun, painted black with big red sights that terrify your opponent into surrender when they see the dot on their chest....huge capacity (100 or so rounds) with mercury infused, platinum-titanium plated super black talon claws of death bullets.....now THAT'S tactical....

Oops...a fashion to separate you from your MONEY......

:D :eek: ;) :mad:

BigG
September 30, 2002, 03:35 PM
Tackytical means doing less work for the manufacturer, putting a cheap rough finish on the piece and upgrading the price about 20% over similar non tackytical models.

In military parlance, tactical means how to attain a specific objective or win a particular battle. Strategy means how to win the war.

Of course, nobody who uses those words to describe their product ever read a book.

gburner
September 30, 2002, 07:32 PM
Tactical...the newest, blackest, sleekest, heaviest, photon charged, irridium sighted, alpaca leather strapped, onyx pistol gripped, oxygen free titanium welded, molybdinum framed, double barreled, semi-automatic, pump shotgun which hurls depleted plutonium slugs 100 yds. downrange at 6000 fps. with all the accuracy of a sooper soaker fired at point blank range.

Testicle...what you have to pay to get one.

ZeusOne
October 1, 2002, 02:44 PM
Please accept my apologies for being so uninformed, but what is a "Mall Ninja"?

labgrade
October 1, 2002, 07:33 PM
Have a bud who lost his camo-finsihed Mini-Mag flashlight. We couldn't find it in daylight ....

Couldn't have laughed more. A camo flashlight!? ;) Really.

"tactical" is what works.

& most likely, what works best is a standard set-up used by someone who has actually used the gun a bit enough to become proficient with it.

My "tactical shotguns" (& rifles, BTW) are all but totally stock.

Identify & shoot anything within 1/2 second, or so ... repeatably, as needed - "tactical" enough for me.

"Tactical" is as any hunt show is ...

KSFreeman
October 1, 2002, 07:40 PM
twix, WTH?:confused: No, citing the original post, not you, twix.

[old geezer voice] "Tactical" in the old daze, when all of this was orchard, was used in the place of "combat" as was "practical."

I know nothing of any Americans fighting in Iraq at present. I am will continue to deny any such knowledge.

twix
October 2, 2002, 08:19 PM
Must have been a hypnotic trance from overtraining. Or the beer.

KSFreeman
October 2, 2002, 08:33 PM
twix, it happens. Still denying any knowledge of any Americans in Iraq.:D

K80Geoff
October 2, 2002, 08:34 PM
Every time I hear the word "Tactical" I cringe.

During my yout I spent some time at Ft Benning during our unpleasantries in Se Asia attempting to learn how to be cannon fodder. In Officer Candidate School we had "Tactical" Officers instead of drill sergeants.

Basically they were the most sadistic Officers the Army could find who tried to act like Drill Sergeants even though they had been in the Army only a little more time than I .

Mine mostly had me do pushups, lots of pushups. :(

They were not allowed to use profanity when screaming at us like the Drill Sergeants in basic so it was quite funny. Though it is hard to laugh when doing pushups.

Funny thing, they were all white guys? Why they were called "Tactical" is beyond me:confused:

googlebutts
October 2, 2002, 09:00 PM
Here yah go
The one on the right is Tactical.

Attachment: tactical.jpg
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Now THAT was great! :D

Al Thompson
October 2, 2002, 09:41 PM
http://www.geocities.com/suketh.geo/gun/mall_ninja_1.html

Los like someone copied the original from Glock Talk and hosted it there.

The Mall Ninja is a parody and relatively funny...

Schmit
October 3, 2002, 05:57 AM
As a friends Mother use to say... "Tactical is as Tactical does."

Anything can be used Tactically. Now our beloved friends "The Marketers" came up with using Tactical to describe most anything that anyone that is DOD/LEO/Spl Ops/SWAT/etc uses. (especially if it is black)

"These are Tactical Socks! Issued by the FBI CWOT (Cold Weather Operations Team). They have 5 oz of Kevlar which protect your feet and 10 oz of Thermafiber to keep them toasty. With them you don't have to worry about your feet getting cold or banged up."

Ohhhhhhhhhh..... Aaaaaaaaaaaa. Woooooow! Give me 10 pairs!! Do they come in any color but black?

Skunkabilly
October 3, 2002, 11:07 AM
Ohhhhhhhhhh..... Aaaaaaaaaaaa. Woooooow! Give me 10 pairs!! Do they come in any color but black?

They also come in woodland, desert and OD. PM me if you want a set and I can get you LE pricing.

Camel
October 3, 2002, 11:41 AM
Where can I get a strategic shotgun? Thats better than tactical right?

Skunkabilly
October 3, 2002, 06:56 PM
Remington Marine Magnum finished in Strategic Silver, very retro, like the strategic bombers of the 1950s.

Monkeyleg
October 4, 2002, 04:47 PM
I feel so cheap...

There's a website I did for a friend's gunshop. He stocks a lot of stuff from BlackHawk products, so there's a page for that. Everything but tactical socks, I guess. It's at http://www.shootersshop.com/blackhawk.html

I swear, I was forced to do it!

Schmit
October 5, 2002, 06:22 AM
They also come in woodland, desert and OD.

Hey Skunk...

Can you get matching Boxers & Briefs? You know, for those times when someone finds themselfs suddenly awaken out of bed in the middle of the night and have to immediatly go into a Tactical Posture?

My wife is also looking for some undergarments.... well me actually (for her!.... tactical Nylons, Garder, Push-up Bra, and Teddy. Know a source? Now, the Cats PJs would be a Maid costume in Tactical Urban Camo... don't ya think?

:rolleyes:

Skunkabilly
October 5, 2002, 12:08 PM
Can you get matching Boxers & Briefs? You know, for those times when someone finds themselfs suddenly awaken out of bed in the middle of the night and have to immediatly go into a Tactical Posture?

Schmid, we are working on them, we are expecting a January 2003 release on the tactical boxer/briefs.

Too many people find themselves awaken by a BG in their room and don't have time to go for the gun in their lockbox. That's why nightstand (unsecured) guns are a bad idea. Our tactical underwear has a pocket built into them so you can pack while you sleep! There is also a pocket for a 6V surefire or extra magazine.

Kevan
October 5, 2002, 05:49 PM
I have "tactical" tatoos----two ravens! heehee! (Well, they're black...)