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ronin308
September 25, 2002, 07:53 PM
Two nights ago my best friend was walking out of Wal-Mart to his car and these four teenage-looking guys were walking behind him. To set the stage my friend is 20 years old, 5'11", 155 lbs, and he knows how to handle himself in a fight. A wirey scrapper. Anyways, he just presumed that they were walking to their car as well...then one punk started swearing and yelling. My friend just kept walking because he didn't know the guys and he figured they were yelling at someone else. The same guy who was doing the yelling earlier trotted up behind my friend and started yelling again, so my friend turned around. As he turned around the punk punched him in the head! The guy landed a punch right on his hairline right above his temple. He had a ring on probably because it opened up a jagged cut about 3/4". My friend was slightly crouched from taking the surprise blow...and he just reared up and threw a huge haymaker and hit the SOB right in his face...square in the nose. The guy's nose was shattered and there was blood all over his shirt. The guy then looks up and says "****, I thought you were someone else!" One of the other guys told my friend that they thought he was a certain someone that slept with the broken nose jerk's girlfriend. The other three guys were just standing there during the altercation because I guess they thought their friend was going to settle the score man-to-man with his girlfriend's fling. My friend just walked away and got in his car and left. The guy that my friend hit was a little taller and had at least 30 pounds on my friend. Whoops. A case of mistaken identity with the wrong man. No police were called as my friend felt it was an unnecessary hassle. I hope the **** enjoys his broken nose. My friend said he sure enjoyed breaking it :D

KSFreeman
September 25, 2002, 08:30 PM
ronin, was this on the East or West side? I'll keep an eye out for broken noses at probation violation hearings on Thursday.:D

Pendragon
September 25, 2002, 08:41 PM
Hes lucky thats all he got.

ronin308
September 25, 2002, 10:11 PM
KSFreeman- LOL! It was at the Supercenter on 26.

MitchSchaft
September 25, 2002, 10:36 PM
:eek: . If I was with my wife and that happened I don't know if I would've just punched him. That would've spooked me pretty good.

CZ Gunner
September 25, 2002, 10:56 PM
And to think ... if he had been packing, the punk may have been dead. Your friend is to be commended on his quick reaction ...

however ...

Lesson one: "ALWAYS watch your 'six' ... !!! "

MeekAndMild
September 25, 2002, 11:23 PM
I'm glad things came out with so little loss. Even so tell your friend he needs to get into weight training. He would feel a lot safer with about 20 more pounds and a few more inches across the shoulders. That 30 pounds the guy had on him could have been very meaningful if the thug had not been a moron and a quitter.

A punch to the nose with an untaped hand gives a pretty good chance of breaking the bones leading to the ring and pinky fingers so an unarmed man attacked by thugs might want to concentrate on body blows and foot tangling until he can get the bad guys low enough to kick in the ribs.


Weight training also gives a rush which is better than beer and lasts for the entire next day, but I digress.:rolleyes:

MitchSchaft
September 25, 2002, 11:30 PM
I'm 5'6" and 150lbs. I probably would've shot him :eek: Especially knowing there were 3 others waiting to take their turn!:eek:

DadOfThree
September 26, 2002, 12:38 AM
I would still have called the police. I know it's a hassle and he felt avenged by breaking the guys nose but what about the next guy/girl this punk decides to victimize? This is probably not the first time nor will it be the last time he physically assaults someone. The next person may not be big enough or strong enough to defend themselves. Even if the justice system only gave this guy a slap on the wrist for this incident, it would at least get it on his record for a pattern in the future.

Mike Irwin
September 26, 2002, 12:39 AM
I know a guy who was jumped in a similar situation for the same reason about 15 years ago, only he DEFINITELY got the worst of it. Ruptured kidney, broken ribs, lacerated liver, broken jaw, broken cheek, broken nose, broken knee, needed about 50 stitches.

The two guys who attacked him never hit him, they threw him down and kicked him repeatedly. He never had the chance to get a punch in to defend himself.

The down side, along with the injuries, was that he spent close to a month in the hospital, missed about 2 months of work and had to have a couple of surgeries to repair the damage.

The up side?

The two guys who attacked him were minor children of well-off parents. They did adult jail time, and Paul will be living well off the proceeds from the lawsuits for the rest of his life, to the tune of what I suspect was several million dollars.

MatthewM
September 26, 2002, 12:55 AM
There's a bigger reason to report: The police tend to believe the one who calls. What if the guy, with broken nose & witnesses files a complaint against YOU! You'd lose in court....

I was once at "Great America" in line for the roller coaster. About 15-20 teens there. They got real pissy because my nephew dressed like a banger. One youth got an inch behind me and showed me a very long knife used for sticking in someones heart. I was pretty scared because there were so many of them. This guy was maybe 5'9" and 100#. I smiled at him to disarm his attention, then in one motion tossed him over the railing about 12' down to the tracks. The rest scattered. I've never been back since. Lots of "banger" looking youths there.

ps: Beware of the strong yet chicken types like me. Way to chicken to do the fair fight thing...

Seeker
September 26, 2002, 02:10 AM
Knew a fella years ago. Seems he walked out of a bar at the wrong time and the guy outside the door with the baseball bat was expectin' someone else. Gettin' hit upside the head with the bat popped out his left eye. He goes by One Eye now. Justa matter of bein' in the wrong place at the wrong time.

MitchSchaft
September 26, 2002, 02:19 AM
:eek:

Pendragon
September 26, 2002, 02:48 AM
Mathew -

Thats pretty awsome.

When your life is on the line, nothing is unfair.

You had every right to fear an unruly group of young thugs and when one displays a knife in a threatening manner, he deserves what he gets.

I bet he never expected that !

Hope he broke something - I hate thuggery.

twoblink
September 26, 2002, 03:08 AM
Hmm... your friend sounds like me; for some reason, I _attract_ violence... I don't know why...

I will say this: If it were me, there would have been a lot more then a broken nose. I'm 5'9" 150lbs, fairly thin looking asian... But I have a haymaker from hell; that's assuming you are still standing after a few Muay Thai elbows and knees to the face and kidneys... :D

What's one of the rules for gun safety? "BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET, AND WHAT'S BEHIND IT."

Marko Kloos
September 26, 2002, 09:01 AM
Moved to Alternative Force/CQC. ;)

Betty
September 26, 2002, 09:31 AM
Well, my psycho ex was in a case of mistaken identity once...

At a bar he was "a little inebriated", and stepped into the bathroom. In there he meets up with the brother of someone he knew, but mistook him for being the other person. Apparently this guy was high as a kite. They had a confrontation, and my psycho-ex got his jaw repeatedly dashed out on the toilet bowl.

The doctor had to rewire his jaw. Alot of nerves were screwed up in his face, and some on one side have "crossed wires". So instead of salivating when he eats, he sweats, and and instead of sweating when he's hot, he salivates.

Not that I feel sorry for him.
(I sure know how to pick 'em, don't I? :barf: )

In yesterday's news, I think this was in Texas: two women with the same name were found murdered in similar fashion. Apparently the "hit man" botched the job by killing the wrong woman the first time.

ronin308
September 26, 2002, 10:54 AM
MeekAndMild- We lifted weights for years together during high school and while I got much larger he got his weight up to like 160! He has good strength but he just can't gain mass.

DadOfThree- In my experience, a good hit will take most of the bully out of anyone. I believe that the sheer embarassment of trying to jack the wrong guy and getting your face dented in is more punishing than anything the police could do. Obviously he's not a hardcore thug if he went down just because of one little love tap ;) My guess, and my friend's guess, is that the guy was just some highschool kid whose three friends egged him on to put a beat down on the guy who slept with his lady. Also, I don't think my friend really wants to have to pay for a lawyer or go through the time spent in court (especially mid-semester).

MatthewM- That took some cajones! I guess my friend just took a gamble that the other guy wouldn't call the cops. So far he hasn't...

Runt- I love hearing that story! I can just see him during Christmas dinner...:)

12GA
September 26, 2002, 10:55 AM
Yikes! Shades of The Terminator !:eek:

Erich
September 26, 2002, 11:29 AM
I miss Lafayette. :p

Frohickey
September 26, 2002, 01:21 PM
In yesterday's news, I think this was in Texas: two women with the same name were found murdered in similar fashion. Apparently the "hit man" botched the job by killing the wrong woman the first time.

Was the name of the women, 'Sarah Conner'? :p

pbarrick
September 27, 2002, 10:28 AM
My goal for any situation that I encounter is always the same: survival.

John Holschen of Insights Training Center follows a mission statement that I think is worth incorporating into anyone's personal protective strategy: "Minimum impact on me and mine."

This gives license to do what you have to do but, most importantly, it gives you the license to avoid, deescalate adn deter without invalidating the mission statement.

It's easy to armchair quarterback after the fact.

Still, anyone changing their movement to vector on you (which includes speeding up to catch you from behind) is a sign that you need to pay more attention. Especially in a mall parking lot.

Also, haymakers aren't my first choice of unarmed weaponry. No closed-hand blow would be and an open-hand blow can do the same job with less risk to your hands.

MeekAndMild
September 28, 2002, 12:04 AM
Ronin308 :) even without improved size the weight training does improve a person's strength and stamina. Sorry he can't gain, maybe he's doing too much aerobic work?

Probably the most dangerous fighters are the women. When I was young and innocent a 'customer' managed to kick me a few inches to the side of where it mattered (when she started the kick I turned to do a thigh block). She was about 5 ft tall, skinny and her arms were being held by her two brothers, one a deputy sheriff and both over 250. After she kicked me she broke away from one of them and pummelled the other. It would have been funny under other circumstances.

ps: Beware of the strong yet chicken types like me. Way to chicken to do the fair fight thing... Har! :D

Mannlicher
September 28, 2002, 06:30 PM
Glad your friend is ok. I am too old to fight 4 guys.

justmeandmydr200
September 30, 2002, 02:43 PM
Get a can of pepper spray. In WV, it's not classified as a deadly weapon.

MP Freeman
October 3, 2002, 11:31 PM
Ronin,

Wow, what a story!

I guess if you hear a person yelling and ranting behind you, you should get a grip on the situation. Sounds like your friend was deep in condition white at Wally world.

ronin308
October 4, 2002, 09:49 AM
MPFreeman- He definitely had his head in his rear. If he would have been paying attention the whole thing would have been avoided.

imadork
October 4, 2002, 07:30 PM
I recommend keeping an impact or blade weapon in the trunk of your car so you have relatively quick access. A cheap katana is a nice choice, or maybe a City Stick or a length of chain. Works great on multiple assailants and people armed with only knives. A mega-folding knife is nice to keep on you at all times. Watch the punks back off when they see that hardware on you.

ronin308
October 5, 2002, 08:17 AM
imadork- I hatehatehate cheap bladeware...especially cheap swords. Besides, its not very likely that you will be standing right next to your car when you're attacked. Also, if you make the decision to keep a sword, length of chain, 'nucks, or anything like that be prepared to explain it to the judge and jury why you got a cheap United Cutlery katana out of your trunk and started hacking away. I have absolutely nothing against defending yourself with whatever you can but you have to think about the practicality of it. You'll probably be labelled as a nutcase in court.

pbarrick
October 5, 2002, 12:12 PM
If you have the time to get your Highlander Special out of the trunk of your car, how much imminent danger could you actually have been facing?

I prefer to keep whatever weapons I might need access to (OC spray, ASP baton, Spyderco Delica and firearm--usually a Glock 19 but sometimes a S&W Model 60) on my person. That way I have direct control over them and they are much more likely to be there when I need them.

As Massad Ayoob once said, "If the facts are in his favor, the prosecuting attorney will argue the facts. If the facts aren't in his favor, he'll attack your character." (That's a rephrasing, actually, but you get the idea.)

imadork
October 5, 2002, 11:38 PM
imadork- I hatehatehate cheap bladeware...especially cheap swords. Besides, its not very likely that you will be standing right next to your car when you're attacked. Also, if you make the decision to keep a sword, length of chain, 'nucks, or anything like that be prepared to explain it to the judge and jury why you got a cheap United Cutlery katana out of your trunk and started hacking away. I have absolutely nothing against defending yourself with whatever you can but you have to think about the practicality of it. You'll probably be labelled as a nutcase in court.


The irony is that having any of those items (except nunchaku and ASP baton) on you is legal in my state (CA). Unfortunately, the laws regarding loaded firearms preclude having an open carried pistol in any public place...and a CityStick is much quicker to deploy and isn't really noticed by the general public. The katana may be a little extreme, but who cares? If someone attacks me with a knife and I respond with a legal weapon, I'm in the clear. I want the Cold Steel model 40" model to replace my United Cutlery model (good call :))

justmeandmydr200
October 10, 2002, 02:14 PM
In WV, a sword is classified as a primitive weapon and you can carry it openly. www.blackswordarmory.com has combat-grade
Roman swords for sale. Word of advice: Use the OC spray before lethal force if possible. It will look better in court.
In West Virginia, we have the Lisa Bittinger Court decision,
which means that if your life or limb is in danger, you can legally use deadly force without being inside your home.