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September 21, 2002, 11:48 PM
You know, there just aren't enough polls in the shotguns forum... ;)
I'm curious to see if my supposition is correct: Is the Mossberg pump the most common flavor of HD shotgun?
September 22, 2002, 01:11 AM
Remington 870 pump, 18" barrel, extended tube and sidesaddle.
September 22, 2002, 02:20 AM
A work in progress:
Winchester 1200, 18" barrel, 7 shot cap, Tacstar fore and aft grips.
September 22, 2002, 02:25 AM
Right now, the ready shotgun is a vintage defender with a surefire light on it, but that's the one usually set aside for my dad (him being one of them deformed right handed people) dad took my ready shotgun to vegas with him to test stages with.
since i'm left handed, dad bought me a mossberg 500 for graduation, and i put GR sights on it (had to modify the front ramp so i could screw it on instead of soldering) an i voted sticker on the left side of the reciever, a butt cuff(suitably reversed for left handed people) and a chunk of mousepad material under the comb to correct for stock drop.
there wasn't a setting to vote for both, so i voted for the one i use.
September 22, 2002, 03:17 AM
870 ... oh yeah. that's a remmy.
But that's all sorta "later."
Beware the owner, & all that, don'tcha know. ;)
September 22, 2002, 08:55 AM
Come on you Winchester fans!! Get out there and VOTE!! I am feeling better about my Lady Defender already as I look at the results so far. Realistically though, I think we are in a race for second place here.
September 22, 2002, 09:07 AM
Not that others aren't good, and certainly servicable, but I'm Mossy all the ...way
In 30+ years of owning guns, the ONLY brand of shotgun I've ever owned is Mossberg (although I've shot most others), all 500 variants...and I've never had a mechanical failure....Ever....So I'm confident and happy with my 20" HD 500
September 22, 2002, 09:21 AM
Currently the SG I have available for home defense is a Savage 69RXL pump gun. It is a former town PD gun I got used from my local dealer for a good deal. My Remington 870 is being worked on (stock, etc.) but the parts just don't seem to be coming in.
September 22, 2002, 09:22 AM
I'm perhaps the most extreme 870 fan there is, 40 years of perfect usage will do that.
However, expertise beats brand all the time. Any of the Big Four will do the job, pick one and shoot the H*LL out of it.
September 22, 2002, 10:23 AM
With my Winchester (1300 Defender) vote making a total of 28 votes. the Mossberg, Remington, and Winchester pumps have 7 votes each, with the total of all other votes also at 7. This could be a close race...
September 22, 2002, 10:36 AM
I use a 18" 870 for HD, also have a beretta 1200FP in the closet that I like alot. The only reason I leave the 870 out over the beretta is I have a light mounted on the 870
September 22, 2002, 11:03 AM
I supposed I ought to mention my own.
After many years and many Mossberg 500's (...and one Squires & Bingham back in the dark ages), I have wound up with one of them there 870's. Police trade-in; very tactical looking, with extended mag tube and Choate pistol grip buttstock.
I originally got it because I had a Remington "Law Enforcement Only" top folder lying around and needed a shotgun to stick it on, but I've become rather enamoured of the Choate fixed stock. The pistol grip makes it easy for those with wrists like spaghetti strands, such as myself, to support the gun in the ready position whilst topping off the mag.
September 22, 2002, 11:41 AM
Three 870's at home right now. Current HD (and my favorite) is the polizie trade-in w/20" vanged barrel & AO sites.
Took it to the range yesterday and (although I have not patterend it yet) it is definately tight. The clays turned to dust. Seriously, nothing but powdered chalk and the shot cup was left in the sky. Very cool.
September 22, 2002, 12:04 PM
Vote: Other (SxS, O/U, single shot): Rossi 12G Single.
As a poor and sickly Uni student (boo-hoo) living in a country that is governed by the ignorant (again): I, make do.
I am putting hunting optics on the most effective HD weapon that I own (No.1 SMLE), and I sold all of my shorts (pistols); enter the Rossi. With adequate (read: laborious) practice: shooting/reloading from cover/concealment, strong/weak side operation, et cetera.
Won't be able to silence a criminal ninja turtle team; I will be able to defend myself as well as I can, though.
September 22, 2002, 12:07 PM
New to me within the last month-----full camo Benelli Nova with a camo mag extension----holds 7 shells while being decocked with an empty chamber---24 in barrel (I know---a little long---but still not bad)---purchased mainly for pheasants and turkey--but has been sitting bedside for the last few weeks.
And the camo works well in the home setting----LOLOLOLOLOL.
September 22, 2002, 12:08 PM
My current HD shotgun is a 60's era Montgomery Ward "Western Field" 12 ga pump, model 550 which is essentially a Mossberg 500. I got it from my neighbor for $100 several years ago. It has beautiful checkering and engraved hunting scene on the receiver.
By adding an 18" barrel and sidesaddle, it makes a fine HD shotgun. It is in great shape, shoots well, and all Mossberg parts will interchange with it. And a big 'thumbs up' to Mossberg. I needed a new magazine spring for it and Mossberg sent me one at NO CHARGE.
Needless to say, I'm quite happy and satisfied with Mossberg products and service.
September 22, 2002, 12:24 PM
Antonio Zoli pump (its the Fabarm pump design) with wooden parts, and Franchi 612 VS with 24'' bbl,
Thank you very much :D
September 22, 2002, 12:25 PM
My HD shotgun is a Rem 870, w/ factory mag extension and nothing else. But my fav pump is my Ithaca 87, which just gets fondled and admired, and shot outdoors on occasion.
September 22, 2002, 01:48 PM
More shotguns than rooms.
No two alike.
Doesn't seem to matter.
September 22, 2002, 02:52 PM
REMINGTON MARINE MAGNUM on duty here. :D W/4 shell side saddle, ghostring sights, Uncle Mikes sling, buttstock shell holder and CompStock. Also have a 55 shell bandolier handy. Any questions? :p
September 22, 2002, 03:41 PM
Just a plain ole Mossberg 500 here.
September 22, 2002, 04:03 PM
Remington 870 Express Magnum, parkerized
Barrel chopped to 20 1/2"
Choate three round extension
Tactical black "all weather" furniture
Tactical black five round butt cuff
Hi-Viz front sight
I used a Tactical Hot Glue gun to attach the butt cuff and front sight. The barrel was cut at 20 1/2" by my brother-in-law, cause he was afraid we would both be imprisioned if he cut it to 18" and erred by a millimeter. Turned out to be a good thing after I installed the magazine extension.
September 22, 2002, 04:32 PM
had a mossy, couldn't sell it fast enough. just felt sloppy and cheap to me.
September 22, 2002, 04:34 PM
Mossberg 590 with 20" barrel.
September 22, 2002, 04:54 PM
Winchester Defender.....18 inch barrel says I.........
September 22, 2002, 05:42 PM
Poll wouldn't let me vote....I must be on super secret TFL probation or something.
Only one choice for me...cause it's the only one I got. Browning A-5 Sweet Sixteen that I inherited.....dang, I hope I don't scratch it if I ever have to use it in the house.
Should probably go get a police turn in 870 or 590 and not worry about scratching it or having it seized if I did ever have to use it in self defense. Would be hell breaking in the police station to get my grandfather's old Browning back.
September 22, 2002, 06:06 PM
Mossberg 590 model # 50665 is my shoulder cannon of choice. Love shooting that Winchester double X 000 buck, when I can afford it.
September 22, 2002, 06:31 PM
September 22, 2002, 06:54 PM
An 870 with a light and good sights.
The dogs are extras.:D :D
September 22, 2002, 07:35 PM
Winchester 1300 Defender. Came with a heat sheild and aside saddle. Used but in good shape. Get this 75 bucks!!!!!!!!!!!
September 22, 2002, 11:54 PM
Moss 500 pump with 18" barrel.
added a sidesaddle, light and laser
September 23, 2002, 12:03 AM
I've got a Ted Williams Model 300 Auto Loader, 20 Ga with 26 inch barrel. Probably not the most 'tactical' shotgun out there, but the wife is comfortable with it, and I sure wouldn't volunteer to be shot by it.
September 23, 2002, 12:39 AM
Privateer, nor would any potential home invader...three cheers for the old farm shotty :D
September 23, 2002, 12:40 AM
Anyone else notice that there are just too many polls in the Shotgun Forum? :D :D :D
I know,,,,,but it's late.....
September 23, 2002, 01:18 AM
Anyone else notice that there are just too many polls in the Shotgun Forum?
Dunno. Why don't you start a poll and see what everyone thinks?:)
September 23, 2002, 08:06 AM
Stevens Mod. 311A 18 1/4 " BBL 5 round slip on shell holder under the bed . Mossberg Persuader with folding stock rides in my truck . M590A1 & ss Mini 14 on boat
September 23, 2002, 08:13 AM
Winchester 1300 Defender pump gets the nod from me, mine is in 20 gauge and I love it!
September 23, 2002, 01:08 PM
Just theorizing but.....
A 20"Mossberg 590A1 with Speedfeed stock and a 6-round
First shell-4 Buck load
2nd & 3rd-000 Buck
Rest of ammo-Brenneke "Super Magnum" slugs
Ghost ring sights and a good sling.
Flashlight forends? No Thanks!
If I`m in my own house,I know where and which way to go.
No need to inform the invaders where I am,and where
should they shoot.
One more advantage of the Mossy 590A1: you can always
fix a bayonet on(if you have one)and stab the
Doesn`t matter if you stab him/them when you`re attacked,
or if you want to finish him/them off after they`ve been hit,and
are lying on the floor bleeding and whining
"Oh No! Don`t shoot! I`ve done nothing wrong.I`m only 18
You can`t kill me.I know my rights....."etc.etc :mad:
That way or the other,you save the ammo:cool: :D :D
God bless the 2nd Amendment!
September 23, 2002, 01:48 PM
Remington 870 Wingmaster. 18 inch, open choke, bead sight barrel. 2 shot extension. Butt cuff. Have a spare 30 inch extra full barrel I use for hunting.
Same gun I've used since I was 12 years old.
September 23, 2002, 02:15 PM
12 ga. Winchester 1300 Defender - slick, slick, slick action :)
September 23, 2002, 02:26 PM
Mossbergs are OK if you want a shotgun that breaks action bars. I was in a class where two 590s went down one right after the other with broken action bars. The sights are not good either. The only way I could get mine to pattern was to install a Patternmaster.
Not only that but the silly plastic safety broke off and its a pain in the rear to Side Saddle it.
Had to polish the magazine tube so that it would feed. I dumped it for another 870 and followed Crews' advice about how to set up the 870 and it is one heck of a tool.
I know, most people don't break them but when you are running 100-200 rounds of bird shot and 100 rounds of 00 and 50 rounds of slugs per day, you find out really quick which shotguns work and which don't.
As for lights, you need a light on a shotgun even in your own home. It does not mean you have to light up the world, only to identify the bad guys.
Speedfeed stocks are not good either, they are too long and the rounds bounce out of them under recoil. The Speedfeed youth model stock is a better option because it reduces the length of pull to where an average human being can absorb the recoil. Most of these shotguns come with a stock that is 2 inches too long anyway.
Well, enough said.
September 23, 2002, 03:06 PM
20" for HD and 28" for the clay games.
September 23, 2002, 05:12 PM
Actually, Most of the supposed problems with the mossberg can be solved by putting the metal safety on them and taking them apart and examining them as soon as you get them home from the store.
My shotgun had a burr on the interruptor latch, making it spit rounds out of the tube after the lifter raised itself into place. (the rounds dumped out onto the ground) after fixing that problem, the gun has worked perfectly.
September 23, 2002, 06:35 PM
MOSS(broken)BERG :rolleyes: I love my Mossberg.....to each his own..now nuff said
September 23, 2002, 08:33 PM
590a1 w/o speedfeed but it does have a sidesaddle,sling,and yes i have a bayonet to cover any last minute suprises.
September 23, 2002, 10:02 PM
The tang-safety is important for left-handed shooters. SO shoots left, so the Mossberg Bantam 500 20-ga is what is at hand because it is easily operated by either of us.
September 23, 2002, 10:04 PM
ST/Wilson 870 slide-action "FBI Model"--short stock, ghost rings, foreend light. No bayonet, but have a pistol on night table. I'm not charging anywhere, unless it's a Pottery Barn sale.:D
Tamara, can you post a poll on if there are too many polls? Link it to bears and a lot more people will participate.
September 23, 2002, 10:37 PM
I have the nine-shot Mossberg 590 with the "ghost ring" peep and front blade with orange paint on it. It is also my back up deer gun, in case my rifle goes down. The 590 also takes the M16 bayonet, if you feel excessively tactical some evening.
So far the only thing the 590 has been fired at is turkey sighting in targets, silhouettes, and a few grouse. I missed the grouse and hit everything else, out to 100 yards.
September 23, 2002, 11:21 PM
Another Mossy user. 20" Model 500.
September 23, 2002, 11:23 PM
Just curious, why would anyone want ghost rings on a HD shotgun? I went with the heat shield on my 590, and I'm glad I had it the first time I emptied the tube rapidly.
September 24, 2002, 01:25 AM
Minuteman Technical Bulletin September 23,2002
Just some Random Thoughts about the Scattergun
It is one of my favorite tools and I love teaching people what can really be done with them. You know, like hitting a 10 inch steel plate off hand at 200 yards with slugs.....
Heat shields on a shotgun.....You are not supposed to touch the barrel. I have never seen the need for anything like that on a shotgun. I have run 870's and 11-87's as fast as can be run and yeah the barrels get hot, but you are not supposed to touch them. Let the bad guy do that.
Ghost rings on shotguns-Well there are two schools of thought on sights. Ghost rings are fast and accurate, but then again so are a standard set of rifle sights.
Sights need to be on the shotgun because at close ranges your shot spread is small and it is easy to miss. With a set of sights, even if you do not have a cheek weld, but can get on the sights you can hit. You cannot do that with a bead.
Speak of bead sights-Ever try to zero a set? Most 18" barrels using a bead sight will shoot 14-18 inches high at 25 yards; another reason for a set of sights. On those types of barrels you zero the barrel by bending the barrel in a special jig. No kidding.
But with a set of rifle or ghost ring sights, you can cure the problem easily.
Most people say well, I am shooting buck shot, what does it matter. It matters a lot. I have two shotguns that will shoot less than 4 inch groups at 25 yards using Fed Tactical H132 and one shotgun using Hornady Tap that runs under 3 inches at 20 yards. So, I reckon a set of sights is a necessary tool for me.
As for in the home, you need to pattern that shotgun, at distances of 3, 5, 7, 9, 10 yards. Measure the distances across each room of your home, down the hall, in the front and back yards, and see what you come up with. The average living room today is 7 yards; that is 21 feet across, some go 10 yards. Do you know what your shotgun will do at that distance?
You know, some people think that the bigger the spread the better. Well, in some instances yes, but not in the home; or in the urban environment. What you need in that situation is the absolute knowledge of what your shotgun and ammunition load is going to do. Loose rounds down range killing a 3 year old kid in their bed room or on their tricycle is not a good thing. You also need to know how to select your load and be able to do it in under 1.5 seconds. This is not called a select slug drill; it is called a select load drill. You load what you need for the particular application.
A side saddle is probably the best method of carrying spare ammunition, as the shotgun should be a self contained fighting tool. Avoid those slings with loops on the gun, and butt cuffs are OK for a hunting situation but not for a tactical environment. The Speed Feed Stocks with those twin two round carriers are horrible. Under recoil the ammunition moves forward and then to the rear damaging the leading round and often dumping a round to the ground. They are slow and inefficient to load from as well.
Flash lights are a good item to have on the shotgun, but not mandatory, as long as you know how to run your Sure Fire and cycle the action at the same time. You know, that you do not let the light go out between hits right....You keep him lit until you are sure he is down and out. And do not believe for an instance that one load of 00 buck or one slug is a sure fire stopper, because it isn't.
A sling is a good idea on the shotgun as long as you know what you are doing with it and what it is really for. It is kind of hard to do a transition to the handgun and retain the shotgun at the same time; allowing yourself the opportunity to go to a Harries Technique with the handgun. You cannot do that if you do not have a sling.
Extended magazines are not that great of an idea, especially if the magazine extension does not close the gap at the end of the onboard magazine. Most of the after market ones do not do this well, causing the magazine spring to bind at the gap. Oh well, that is why you carry your handgun, so that you can practice transitions when you cannot get the shotgun to work because the magazine spring is all bound up.
Again and again, those stocks are way too long especially those folding metal ones. Not only that but they do not let you get a good cheek weld unless they have been custom modified.
I wish Roger Small had never sold Scattergun to Bill Wilson, now we cannot get the parts we need, especially "T" Pins.
Choking has little to do with patterning of the shotgun. A good quality choke simply retards the wad so that the shot can leave the barrel without all that gas pressure behind the shot load, minimizing the spread of the shot. However, if you are not using a shot load that is encapsulated within a shot cup, no choke will be able to do it's job well. Thus the reason for patterning your shotgun with as many loads as possible to determine which combination works best.
Reduced recoil slugs also mean reduced penetration. Felt recoil is a function of stock length. Too long a stock means for felt recoil. Do you know how to measure your stock for correct length? Most people do not.
Shotguns are aimed just like a rifle. You press the trigger the same way. You follow through just as you would with a rifle. We are not talking about shooting clays; we are talking about shooting bad guys. And besides, I shoot clays with my rifle and my handgun. It is too easy with a shotgun.
If you replace the forend on the Remington 870 with one of those tactical forends or a SureFire light forend, you had better trim the back edge of it or you will be sorry; lots of blood on the range when people do not listen. Shotgun classes are fast and furious, when you let that palm or little finger get between the forend and the edge of the receiver, you will know that you have done it. It is by the way, a self correcting error.
Well, enough of this for tonight.
Copyright 2002 by Jim Crews
September 24, 2002, 01:32 AM
How many have actually shot any sort of drills where they can put "steel on target" rapidly & better yet, accurately?
Best "sweet thang" you can have won't do didlly if you can't - or haven't.
Sorry, but am amused at the "vang-camp & butt strap-stuff" somehow & I'm on a "hangover" from a SHTF thread.
Any shotgun that you are very compentent with will get you by toot sweet. Bells 'n whistles will get you - and yours - killed, if you haven't put in the practice time.
You can't buy it.
September 24, 2002, 05:35 AM
Mons Meg, many of us use our HD shotguns in other roles, mine get used as venison makers. Others see an urban defense role for their shotguns.
A pure HD tool will work fine with a bead. Jim's comments on GR sights are on the money,tho I'd prefer to see folks pattern at the longest distance plus one yard for HD. A few shots up close will emphasize the need for precision, tho.
September 24, 2002, 07:46 AM
Mine's a plain-jane Mossberg 500, the model with the 20" tube and the 8-shot magazine. No fancy enhancements other than the Butler Creek metal folding stock & pistol grip, and the fiberoptic front sight.
September 24, 2002, 12:53 PM
I've really gotten to like my son's Remington Youth 870 in 20 ga. In fact, the wife likes it too and can handle it very well, so it's pretty much become our default HD SG.
September 24, 2002, 02:40 PM
I agree there is a place for the sights. I was thinking as you said for a purely HD shotgun, (which mine is) a bead is all you need. And maybe a light. Note to self...get a light.
September 24, 2002, 04:57 PM
Agreed then, Mons. When I get to re-retire, I plan on getting some "Serious" style shooting in, to keep up my "chops", have fun, and do a bit of research. One of the first things I plan on doing is some timed scenarios comparing close range hits and times with the various 870s here.
Frankenstein has a bead, my two gotos have peeps with the apertures removed. A few fast COFS will give solid info on how fast and well sights of divers styles can be acquired.
September 24, 2002, 06:24 PM
I use a Benelli Nova SP w/ LPA ghost rings. It has the ninja of death mag extension on it for a grand total of 7+1 rounds. Eventually it is going to be replaced by an 870 with a light aboard.
mons-meg- Sometimes...well never since TFLers never miss...but for other certain folks when they get excited or they are looking at a threat, they tend to take their head slightly off the cheekpiece. With a ghost ring setup the movement is immediately noticed, it is not quite as apparent with a bead setup.
September 24, 2002, 10:19 PM
Here is a pic of my Savage 69RXL. Not fancy but it works.
September 24, 2002, 10:59 PM
My latest housewarmer is a Mossberg 500 with the factory pistol grip and 18.5 inch barrel. Bought it mainly becase of the great price a friend made me on it in his shop. Next time I get over to Cheaper Than Dirt in Ft. Worth I plan to add a folding stock, heatshield and either a white light for the front end or one of those high-falutin' red dot BSA optical sights, like the 50mm job.
Of course, I'm keeping the perfectly good pistol grip.
You can always tell an old soldier by the insides of his holsters and cartridge boxes. The young ones carry pistols and cartridges: the old ones, grub. - George Bernard Shaw.
September 25, 2002, 08:53 AM
As usual, it seems I'm the odd one in the bunch. Smith & Wesson Model
3000 12 Ga. pump. Has an extension tube and 20 in. barrel. Holds 7 in the tube, one in the chamber and 5 in the elastic butt side saddle. It was a sherrif's dept. trade in and little used.
September 25, 2002, 09:50 AM
OK,you convinced me.I thought it over again,and I admit
sometimes a flashlight forend may be useful indeed.
If the M590A1 is so fragile how did it pass the gov`t
mil-spec testing?(firing 3000 rounds without breaking
anything is required IIRC).
Maybe you just got lemons during that class,you know,
-misfortunes come in pairs;)
What`s the problem with sidesaddling a 590?
The Speedfeed Youth model sounds interesting.What`s LOP
with one fitted?Does it take 4 rounds too?
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January 11, 2006, 12:39 AM
For home defense:
I have a Mossberg 500 Persuader riot gun with an 18.5 in barrel and black synthetic stock etc.
I also have a Mossberg 590 with the Speedfeed stock, heatshield and sling.
Both my guns are blued not parkerized. I use 00 Buck and slugs for ammo.
January 11, 2006, 01:11 AM
+1 for the 1300
January 11, 2006, 11:21 AM
Mossberg Persuader 20" barrel
January 11, 2006, 03:10 PM
870p but looking to try mossy.
January 12, 2006, 04:21 PM
Ted Williams 300 12ga Auto with 18” barrel
100% dependable but only holds 2 in the magazine
January 12, 2006, 04:52 PM
1972 870 Wingmaster 20". My first firearm, shot it for the first time last night. Big smiles.
January 13, 2006, 11:23 AM
Remington 870 Wingmaster. The only mods I've made were to cut the barrel back to 20" and screw (NOT epoxy) a set of Wilson ghost ring sights on. Kept high with 4 rounds of 00 Buck in the magazine and an empty chamber (hey, I've got kids!)
But I'm trying to come up with a decent sxs exposed hammer 12 gauge as a "Garage/shop defense shotgun" :)
January 13, 2006, 01:22 PM
Baikal Bounty Hunter ll 20" SxS 12ga coach gun.....for now anyway
Wild Bill Bucks
January 13, 2006, 02:42 PM
RUGER SUPER RED HAWK 44 MAGNUM- 6" BARREL-6 SHOTS-#6 SHOT.
At close range-devistates anything in a 10 ft circle at about 20 feet.
So I don't sneak in on my wife after dark, There's not much chance that she is going to miss.
January 13, 2006, 06:01 PM
I bought a 1976 Rem 870 Wingmaster at a gun show back in November. It already had a 18.5" barrel, extended mag and rifle sights. I added a Knoxx Compstock and my fiance bought me a Mesa Tactical 4 shot side saddel. Only things else to do to it are some form of coating and a surefire forearm.
January 13, 2006, 10:41 PM
I own an HK Benneli 12g auto. And a Winchester Model 1300 Defender 20g pump. Both weapons systems are reliable & lethal. # 3 buck or slugs will do the job just fine. I like Pachmyer pistol grips and Houge forward grips. Lights, slings and xtra shell capacity are good too.
Laterz, S Tzu
January 14, 2006, 01:24 AM
Remmy 870 with 18 1/2" bbl, bead sight, youth stock, loaded with 000 buck.
I don't understand all this talk about heatshields,flashlights, folding stocks, ghost ring sights, and mag extensions. What possible advantage in an HD situation could any of these provide? As far as I am concerned these things are just a waste of money. A repeater is a plus in case of multiple BG's. A short bbl is needed for maneuverability. A shorter length of pull will make mounting the gun easier. These other add on's are useless.
1. Heatshield: Why would I care how hot the barrel gets, I'm not touching it, and hopefully I won't have to make that many shots to worry about it.
2. Flashlight: Why would I want to show the BG or BG's where I am? It's my house, I know where I am.
3. Folding stock: If I don't know if I should have it folded in or out, It's too late.
4. Ghost ring sights: Will you have time to use them?
5. Mag extensions: Are we talking about a shootout? I think not. If you are lucky enough to get the "Drop" on an intruder/'s , I think that they will most likely be heading for the way they came in, especially if you have taken one of them out. Four shots of 3 inch 000 buck is plenty.
Hope you never have to worry about using your HD SG.
January 14, 2006, 02:33 PM
My HD shotgun is a 1300 only because, to me at least, it is lighter and slicker. The 870 is my deer and turkey gun. That being said, I'd have no hesitation using the 870 for HD.
January 17, 2006, 07:49 PM
Winchester 1300, 18", extended mag. I love it!
January 30, 2006, 10:09 AM
I am thinking of the getting the FN SLP with 13" pull and a Knoxx spec Ops stock. I like the fact that the SG is smaller in length for ease of use and deployment. I like th fact that I can shoot it while lying on the ground if that ever comes about. Being semi auto calls for more cleaning but, I don't plan using it everyday just once a month for quality control. The rest of the time it will sit at home just in case.
January 30, 2006, 09:29 PM
They make Spec Ops stocks for semi's? I wouldn't think the action could work reliably with a recoil absorbing stock.
January 30, 2006, 11:19 PM
11-87P and 870HD ;)
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