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LASur5r+P
August 24, 2002, 09:46 AM
Can you TFL'ers answer this question?

Why is that the general public seem to shy away, even act in horror to a person that had to use violence, armed or unarmed, to end an act of violence by another person or persons?

I'm always puzzled by this observed response? Or are my perceptions wrong?

C.R.Sam
August 24, 2002, 10:02 AM
First posted by Tamara. Written by Kipling about soldiers. But I think it is applicable here. The way the general popluace feels about those with the mindset to take action against agression. Scum when not needed, heros when saving somebody's bacon.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tommy
I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sam


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gbelleh
August 24, 2002, 10:13 AM
Recently a guy tried to carjack a minivan full of female judo students and was beaten senseless.
The general public seemed quite accepting of this. Use of martial arts seems a lot more acceptable than use of a gun or knife.

My guess is that the sheeple believe that deep down the criminal is a good person and a victim of his surroundings, and therefore doesn't deserve to get shot because of actions he can't be held responsible for. It's for the children!

KSFreeman
August 24, 2002, 11:23 AM
Easy. The sheep fear the sheepdog just as much as the wolf!:)

Back in my undergrad days in the gun store I had a conversation with a sheep which was unusual as they never came by my section of the store or when they did they were shaking and crying too much to speak.

The the sheep's argument was that if you have a gun you might hurt someone. Thus, if no one has a gun, then there will be no violence. I asked about the Roman Empire and how many times Brutus shot Julius. Her face went blank.:D

C.R.Sam
August 24, 2002, 02:56 PM
Blank is the default condition for a sheeple's OS.

Sam

GunFool
August 24, 2002, 03:18 PM
Makes me wonder if there were those in the pre-industrial 'dark ages' who demanded that every peasant give up his knife and pitchfork, every nobleman his rapier, and every knight his mace, shield, and lance to ensure a lasting peace in the world?

I'm guessing that there is much less violence in today's world compared to the much larger human population. Fewer people experience any real violence during their lifetimes and therefore behave more like sheep when finally faced with something threatening. I think that survival, or at least the willingness to fight to live, is an underdeveloped instinct in most of us. A person must be conditioned, whether through personal experience or through training, to take their self-defense seriously. Those who have never truly experienced violence, do not understand it. It is even difficult for them to condone using violence to stop violence. On the other hand, any 'victim' would be willing to use any means, including violent means, to prevent being a victim once more.

gryphon
August 24, 2002, 04:20 PM
If you want your answer, read George Orwell's 1984. What is described in the book is what some would like our society to become(and some of it is true already).

KSFreeman
August 24, 2002, 08:57 PM
GunFool, great book you should read (and Rich should put it on the TFL Book List) which describes how history is being Disneyized (fiction is truth, violence never happened) by the Left--"The Killing of History," Keith Windschuttle (1996).