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Nylon66
August 24, 2002, 07:22 AM
I used very bad judgement on my other post so I will ask this again. I can't afford a SureFire fore-end light so I have been looking at the TacStar Weapons Light System 2000. Has anyone used this system on the Defender or any other shotgun? And why is the Winchester version of the SureFire more expensive than the Remington? $200 vs. $175.

Moderators please feel free to delete my other post and again sorry for my lapse of judgement.

Terry

Nylon66
August 24, 2002, 01:26 PM
When I did a google search all I got was manufacturer and retailer hits. and the stuff that wasn't retailer and manufacturer refered to Tacstar sidesaddles and SureFire lights. No objective opinions on the TacStar Light System 2000. That is why I posted here. And a search of TFL forums yielded a post where someone fished a TacStar light out of the trash at a range and another that was planning on buying one (back in 1999 IIRC) but no opinions. Just a couple "I've seen them, but I use a SureFire Responder fore-end".

Herk
August 24, 2002, 04:12 PM
I have one. I have the traditional mounted one, not the shot shell side saddle mounted set up. I have the switch attached to the forearm, which is NOT a pistol grip type. I like it. Very bright, and I only shot with it once and I didn't notice any breakage or looseness or whatever. It was designed for a shotgun, so it shouldn't. Oh, I have a Maverick 88. The switch is set up so I can use either of my fingers, ergo, not on the thumb side. Pressure to active the switch is fine for me. Basically, if you can't handle the switch, you damn sure shouldn't be trying to shoot a 12g shotgun.

I have never used the surefire set up, and I probably would have bought that one instead if it was cheaper, but this one serves it's purpose quite well, and allowed me to have a decent, yet inexpensive light on my decent, yet inexspensive shotgun. Any other questions, let me know.

Nylon66
August 24, 2002, 04:20 PM
Thanks, I have the TacStar rig on the way and I was begining to fear that I had made a bad decision. Unfortunately UPS sent it for a ride back and forth across the country.

Mannlicher
August 25, 2002, 09:51 AM
I still dont understand two things. One, why the heck do people pay those outrageous prices for Surefire crap, and two, why would one want a light on a shotgun in the first place.

Showing the other guy exactly where you are is not prudent.

C.R.Sam
August 25, 2002, 02:02 PM
Pointing a loaded gun at your visiting uncle who was raiding the refrigerator is not polite.

Or son, daughter etc etc.

Sam

jayhway
August 25, 2002, 02:28 PM
I'd recommend a Streamlight/Insight M3 tactical light. They only cost about $120 and they can be used on various guns. I currentluy have it attached to my Glock 19, but I also have a mount on my Mossberg 590A1. For about $150 you can have the light and the mount, which I think is a good deal.

mercop
August 25, 2002, 08:24 PM
Check out CMMG.com for your M3 and mount needs.

Jamie Young
August 25, 2002, 09:01 PM
Are there better bulbs you can get for flashlights? I have a couple flashlights but I wasn't sure if you can just change a light bulb and have a better one. Is it the flashlight power or the bulb?

shootingbuff
August 25, 2002, 09:20 PM
Actually with a quality light you wont have to point it at the unknown. A quality light will illuminate any room for HD. Having both hands on the weapon aides in control and retention.

A quaility light as the SF is worth the money if going to be used. If not then an M3 is a valuable and cost saving way to go.

However a light is a most as is practicing with it.

Hey just the new guys .02

sbl

Sundance
August 26, 2002, 10:18 AM
I still dont understand two things. One, why the heck do people pay those outrageous prices for Surefire crap, and two, why would one want a light on a shotgun in the first place.

Well, first of all...Surefire prices are a bit outrageous, but their products are far from crap. Just because a product is overpriced does not necessarily mean it is a bad product. Surefire makes the best tactical hand-held and weapon-mounted lights in the business...PERIOD! Streamlight comes in a distant second, and everything else is dead last. If you want the best, you have to pay for it.

Now having said that. I am considering one of the TacStar weapon mounted lights for my Rem 870 shotgun, because I don't necessarily need the best, and I really don't want to chunk out $250 for a Surefire.

I do have a Surefire 6P handheld, and it is one of the best pieces of equipment I own.

If money wasn't an object, I would go to Surefire for any and all tactical light needs.

Now, to the second question of why you would want a light on a shotgun. To see the target. You must identify the threat. You can't clear a building in the dark. You should not leave your light on constantly, but you should have a light that you can do an instant flash of light.

Flash...clear...move...flash...clear...move...flash...clear...move...flash...clear...move...flash...threat...bang...bang...etc.

Double Naught Spy
August 26, 2002, 10:25 AM
Erick bringsup a good point, it is hard using a supplemental light when working a two-handed weapon such as a shotgun if the light is not part of the shotgun. The closest I have come is putting the light in my teeth and depressing the switch with my tongue. Of course if the bad guy goes for the light source, then he will be shooting me in the head - not a good option for clearing a house.

Hand held and weapon mounted lights, for most folks not doing dynamic entries into buildings foreign to them should probably only be used as supplemental lights. On a home defense weapon, I think a lot of folks get the impression that since it is their home, searching in the dark using a flashlight or weapon mounted light will give them the advantage over a bad guy who does not know all the hiding places and hence is sort of trapped by the darkness and fear of running into walls, tripping, etc. That is crap. It is NOT a good idea to search your abode using a flashlight or weapon light as the only source of lighting. As noted, if you don't immediately spot the bad guy, he will immediately spot you and then you have lost your advantage.

Where possible for home situations, if you insist on searching your own home, make use of available overhead lighting when possible. Overhead lighting tends to level the playing field in that it takes away the low light factor from both parties.

So when do you use a weapon mounted or hand held light? They are best used for supplemental lights and not a primary lights for the average civilian. They are great for checking closets, around the back yard, the attic, and just dark corners in the house. They are great for peaking inside your parked car or under it. Use them where normal lighting is not very good.

What makes weapon mounted lights so useful for tactical officers working in low light conditions is a combination of factors. They will tell you that given a choice, they would rather not do building searches in complete darkess using only their lights. Why do they use their lights? That answer is two fold. First, unlike most homeowners, they are not doing a building search by just one individual. They are using group tactics and essentially swarm the building. While one officer is looking one direction and sweeping the area with his light, another officer is looking in another direction with his light. A big disadvantage of being single with a single light looking in the wrong direction is essentially removed since there are multiple officers and multiple lights covering multiple directions. That helps to preclude being attacked by a person coming out of the darkness where you don't have your light pointed. The second major aspect is that officers do not have time to stop and look for light switches to turn on overhead lights and even if they did, there is not reason to believe the lights will be functioning. Control of the structure is secured via speed, getting through as clearing as many rooms as possible as quickly as possible.

Weapon lights are perfectly fine for home defense guns, but they need to be used properly and more often than not, they should only be used as supplemental light sources and not as a primary or solitary light source as they are quite limited in their usefulness with their highly directional illumination.

Mannlicher
August 26, 2002, 07:52 PM
I still am convinced that weapon lights, like fishing lures,are more designed to 'catch' the tactical wannabee. flashing a light on and off is a sure fire (pardon the pun) way to get yourself killed.

CZ Gunner
August 27, 2002, 04:52 PM
(1) "Pointing a loaded gun at your visiting uncle who was raiding the refrigerator is not polite.

Or son, daughter etc etc."

Sam


(2) "How do you find, ID & hit the Threat in low or no light without a light on your weapon?

Remember, the need to practice has been addressed."

Erick

and, finally ...

(3) Ever fire a 12 Gauge shotgun with only one arm ... let alone pump it ... (while holding the light on your intended target) and trying not to trip over the steps in the pitch of night .. all at the same time? (I suggest you try it one night as a drill .. minus the live fire, of course ... not as easy as you may think!)