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sprayandpray
August 20, 2002, 11:55 AM
How does the ruggedness/reliability of a Browning BPS compare with that of a Remington 870? I want to be able to have a gun that will last a lifetime.

Thanks.

AAshooter
August 20, 2002, 02:07 PM
IMHO, get the 870.

Dave McC
August 20, 2002, 03:29 PM
The BPS is a nice shotgun. Its longevity is probably quite good.

The longevity of the 870 is proven. It'll last longer than any of us.

It's up to you, I'd invoke the McCRule and get the one that FEELS better...

PJR
August 20, 2002, 04:15 PM
It is easier to load a round directly into the chamber of the Remington. This is a modest advantage for clay target shooting.

The Browning's system of bottom load and bottom eject makes this a very popular choice for duck blinds because you don't bounce hulls off the shooter to your right.

The top safety of the Browning is a personal choice. Some people like it, other's don't. The Remington has a cross block safety behind the trigger.

There are far more aftermarket gadgets for the Remington of every description. The Browning seems a little smoother than the Wingmaster and a lot smoother than the Express. I've found Browning triggers and choke tubes to better than Remington.

Either way you get a good gun that will last a life time. Find the one that fits and feels best.

Paul

HSMITH
August 20, 2002, 09:50 PM
Having owned several of both I feel slightly qualified to answer this.

The 870 is able to take more abuse and neglect. It will run when the BPS won't. This is not a matter of quality exactly, but rather the internals of the BPS are much more tightly fitted. There is little room for dirt and grime in the BPS. This is also why the BPS action is very smooth right out of the box. The 870 has more room for gunk and garbage in the action before it is taken out of commision. The 870 action will also get very smooth after 10,000 rounds or so.

The BPS safety is right where it belongs, on the tang. The 870 safety is the abberation we have been conned into believing is standard. This is purely personal opinion, but one I feel strongly about.

Both will take more rounds than you and two others could put through it in a lifetime. I would guess-timate that the service life of both is well over 250,000 rounds of handicap trap type loads, and more of lighter loads. You may break a spring or something here and there, but the guns will be solid.

The loading of the BPS is a real PITA when target shooting, or shooting any volume of shells. You must have the slide closed, and load the rounds into the magazine, then depress the bolt unlock lever to cycle the action if the chamber is empty as it usually is in target shooting. Hunting this is really not a big deal, as you will be loading the magazine anyway, and loading a lot less shells. With the 870 you can drop one in the ejection port and close the action before loading into the magazine. MUCH easier in target work or field work when starting with an empty chamber. Topping off the magazines is the same for both.

The BPS is very well made, and a great shotgun. The 870 is a great gun too, and works well.

If I could only have one or the other I would pick the 870, and mine would be the express so I could buy two for the cost of one BPS.

If you have any specific questions let me know. Hope this helps.

Al Thompson
August 20, 2002, 10:11 PM
Boy, that's a really tough question. The two biggest differences, IMHO, is options (870 has the advantage) and left handed use (BPS is ambi).

Maybe - 870 for HD, BPS for hunting? Neither a slouch though..

Both are wonderful shotguns and a tough choice.

Hadaway
August 21, 2002, 01:19 AM
Both are good firearms, but the BPS is more prone to malfunction. The shell stops seem to wear fairly quickly. I've had to replace a few sets for my customers.

Also, the BPS can be a PITA to reassemble if you pull the trigger group out for proper cleaning.

When I was gunsmithing for Scattergun Technologies, I literally rebuilt 1000s of 870s for Police Depts. Even though most of the guns looked like they had been drug behind a truck, it was rare when any repair was needed.

Get an 870, and stay away from the 3 1/2" mag unless you have some really bad ass ducks in your area.

Good Luck,
Lee
http://www.thearmsroom.com

JHG
August 22, 2002, 09:13 PM
I really do not think you can go wrong with either. At present I use a BPS. In the past I have had an 870. I personally prefer the feel of the BPS a little better... Apples or Oranges...

-JHG-