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Drjones
August 10, 2002, 11:45 PM
Hi. Shot some 1oz. 1600 fps 2 3/4 in. slugs through my 12ga. moss. pump the other day.

OUCH.

PLEASE don't tell me that 00 Buck and other loads kick as badly as those did!!!

Drjones

Battler
August 11, 2002, 12:02 AM
Nope. The buckshot kicks less, and "differently", if that means anything.

IanS
August 11, 2002, 04:28 AM
Yep, 00 Buck does kick less than any rifled slugs or saboted slugs I've ever shot out of my 870. I feel the recoil is much sharper and quicker with slugs. (For accuracy, rifled slugs is preferable for smooth bore or improved cylinders)

If the normally aspirated 00 Buck is still too much try Federal's Reduced Recoil 00 Buck. Supposedly it bucks less than regular, although personally I can't tell much of a difference. They are also considered just as effective as "normal" 00 Buck. For defense #4 Shot is a good choice as well.

Dave McC
August 11, 2002, 08:44 AM
Doc, heavy loads in lighter shotguns do that. If I fired off a 1 1/4 oz Brenekke in a 6 lb shotgun, it'd hurt more than an oz load in a heavier gun.

A well kept secret,lots of folks into "Serious" shotgunning add those mag extensions, side saddles, lights, fuzzy dice and fender skirts to take the sting out, not to optimize the weapon.

My 9 lb plus HD 870 doesn't kick hard with anything. The 20 gauge 870 YE I got for the kids is vicious with oz loads.

Old threads here on cutting kick, wearable recoil pads, proper bench nethods,etc, can help you have more fun and less pain.

HTH....

HSMITH
August 11, 2002, 10:23 AM
"A well kept secret,lots of folks into "Serious" shotgunning add those mag extensions, side saddles, lights, fuzzy dice and fender skirts to take the sting out, not to optimize the weapon."


LMAO!!!!!!!! Dice and fender skirts are about what some of these "serious" shotguns look like! That is great!!!

9mmMike
August 11, 2002, 11:17 AM
You might try those Federal Reduced Recoil Slugs. They are very easy shooters out of my 870. I am not a heavy recoil fan and I found the Federal Reduced Recoil 00 buck & slugs to be terrific.
Mike

Battler
August 11, 2002, 12:42 PM
Another thing that takes the sting out of slugs is shooting them in a heavy gas auto gun.

popnokick
August 12, 2002, 02:53 PM
Yeah, slugs seem to have the most kick. Makes sense from a physics standpoint - you're putting a lot more weight (slug) into motion rapidly. However... I was totally surprised by how accurate slugs are in my 870 HD (18" barrel). Like a rifle, even with only a front bead sight and at 50 feet or farther at the range. Now I understand why you can... in fact are required in some states... take deer with a shotgun.

dfaugh
August 12, 2002, 03:07 PM
the 3" magnum S&B 00 buck (15 pellets!) kick more than anything else I've ever shot...I'm not very recoil sensitive, and these things HURT

Drjones
August 12, 2002, 04:09 PM
I'm confused...Do the fuzzy dice dangle from the trigger guard, or the end of the barrel? :confused:

How tactical-looking are they? Do they come in black or camo???

;)

;)

Drjones

Ron L
August 12, 2002, 09:25 PM
I'm confused...Do the fuzzy dice dangle from the trigger guard, or the end of the barrel?

Neither. They attach to the front sling swivel with a tactical swivel snap release. And of course they come in tactical black with tritium insert dots for use in low-light conditions.

For a question, could the possibility that a shot column compresses slightly make the recoil less? Or is it the difference between a slug w/o wad versus a shot column with a wad? I've shot my Winchester semi with everything from light target or field loads to slugs and even with the gas action, you know that you've just sent a pumpkin out of the muzzle. It's not that bad, just much more noticeable.

Zorro
August 12, 2002, 09:39 PM
Try 2 Ounce Turkey Loads! ;)

After it knocks you on your butt! the slugs and 375 H&H Magnum don't kick at all! :D

Battler
August 12, 2002, 09:44 PM
Would this be as senseless and painful as somehow making a double fire both barrels at once?

Mannlicher
August 12, 2002, 09:49 PM
Those slugs do tend to hurt the shoulder. Recoil in ft pounds of energy would be the same though, regardless of the type of projectile. The same weight of buckshot would kick the same as a slug if the gun weight, muzzle velocity, and ejecta weight remained the same.

felt recoil on the other hand is subject to so many variables, that it is pretty hard to calculate as an absolute.

Al Thompson
August 13, 2002, 06:39 AM
Ron, good idea but I've shot a lot of Brenneke slugs and can't tell the difference. Brennekes have the wadding attached to the base of the slug.

twix
August 13, 2002, 02:29 PM
I JUST got back from the range where I shot 1oz slugs out of my 21"870, 5 each at 25, 50 and 100 yards. OUCH! But, all 5 at each range landed on the IPSC (upper torso)target. Standing, not benched. And I can't guarantee I wasn't closing my eyes after the first shot. Hmmm. 9mmmike, if those reduced recoil ones are signifigantly better, I want to try them. Meanwhile, wear do I get some of those tactical fuzzy dice?

Andrew Wyatt
August 13, 2002, 03:05 PM
Does your shotgun fit well? my mossberg used to actually hurt me when i fired een light loads with it before i made it fit me by chopping an inch and a half off the stock and inserted a piece of neoprene on top of the comb.

another thing you might want to do if your shotgun has a hollow stock is put some weight in it, like a snack sized siplock with small lead shot in it taped securely to the bottom.

I don't have too much stuff hanging off my gun, but i do have a butt cuff with five rounds of slug on it, mossberg factory ghostring sights, a sling and a sling ring. it probably weighs 7 and a half, unloaded. i'll have to weigh it.

johnbt
August 13, 2002, 03:57 PM
I agree with Zorro. Get a little box of the 3" turkey loads with 2 ounces of shot. Shoot one or two off the bench with a light gun and then give the rest to a 'friend'. Your regular ammo will never bother you again.

This was the load that convinced me to hand fit a Pachmayr Decelerator pad to my 870 Express Magnum.

John