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August 9, 2002, 12:50 AM
OK, I am trying to do my part in keeping this forum active.
Who here actually owns some type of NFA weapon ?
What are you doing with it ? Plinking, collector, reenactor, do you compete with it ?
How often do you shoot it (or them) ? Would you say that Class III stuff is your primary interest in firearms ?
Let's keep the ball rolling.
August 9, 2002, 05:13 AM
No FA yet, but I'm in the beginning stages of getting one transfered to me. I'm looking at an M-4, but I may go with a Thompson I really like. Problem w/the M-4 is finding somewhere to shoot....there is one indoor range here in MD that will let you shoot FA, but only with subgun calibers...not sure if they consider .223 a subgun caliber. I don't know about the outdoor ranges, I heard there are a couple of days out of the year where they have FA shoots. In talking with people here...I figure it's going to be about a year before I actually get it transfered after I start all the paper work.
August 9, 2002, 06:17 AM
H&K MP5SD (suppressed w/ A3 stock)
Colt M16A1 (Original configuration and M4 (Bushmaster) configuration)
Walther PPK w/ suppressor
I collect all types of firearms, not just NFA stuff. Primary interest is in 1860-1960 military firearms in original configuration, with special interest in WWII infantry weapons.
Shoot at least once a month with CCW carry gun and one NFA gun.
August 9, 2002, 06:42 AM
I am also in the beginning stages of ownership. As I have mentioned I am purchasing a Sten Mk. II. Like HK, I am particularly fond of WWII infantry weapons and the Sten fits in with that. I went to my local dealer to discuss the purchase of a suppressor. He mentioned that he had the opportunity to get two transferable Stens, would I be interested. Well, of course I had thought about getting a subgun for years. So, I figured now is the time. I have paid for the gun so far. He hasn't gotten it in yet and therefore, I haven't started the paperwork yet. I am seriously considering getting a suppressed Ruger MK. II possibly as soon as next week (getting the ball rolling, not actually getting one by next week). Three reasons for the hurry. #1) I have been getting a lot of overtime at work and have the money. #2) We currently have a sheriff who will sign the paperwork without any undue BS; however the election is next month and who knows what will happen. I doubt that it will change much either way, but why take the chance ? #3) I was thinking that I could take both sets of paperwork (Sten and MKII) to the sheriff's office at once. That may be a bad idea, I don't know.
When I actually take possession of the subgun, I would like to compete in the local machine gun matches. Probably will spend most of my shooting time running through senarios similar to IPSC or IDPA. Over the years I have fired quite a few different full auto weapons including a short stint in the military, so the novelty will be in actually owning one myself and being able to enjoy shooting it in the way that I see fit. Every other FA I have fired has been under close supervision with someone telling you exactly what and how you are going to shoot it.
As far as the suppressed .22 pistol, I guess the limit is my imagination. Shooting in areas that are safe, but close to civilization. Shooting without hearing protection. Shooting at campgrounds. Whatever. .22 pistols are extremly versitile and having one that doesn't make a lot of noise only makes it more so.
August 9, 2002, 06:58 AM
I own three subguns. Would like to own an M2 Carbine, or a larger FA rifle. Living in a C&R only state complicates the selection process and makes the available stuff cost more.
I have shot my subguns twice this summer. The guys I get together with are scheduled pretty heavily and there are some ranges here which have "one shot per second" rules. I do plan on attending a match next month, and may get to shoot an MP5 later this month.
I like to shoot anything that goes bang so FA shooting is just an extension of my usual interest. I can have just as much fun shooting an e-mail .22 benchrest match, as running .45 FMJs through a subgun. I also like HP rifle, bowling pin and steel plate shooting, and am agitating for a three gun match at one of the clubs I belong to.
August 9, 2002, 07:08 AM
I forgot to mention that as far as I know, here in Nevada we can own any NFA weapon we can afford as far as I know. We are also blessed with as much room to shoot them as you could ever want. Thousands of miles of uninhabited land. No indoor range or club here. Just go out and shoot whatever you want. As far as you want. Just to give you an idea of what I am talking about; "They" exploded a neuclear bomb right on the other side of the moutains near my house at Mercury Nevada. If they can explode an A-Bomb there, there won't be a whole lot of danger in me firing a 9mm on full auto.
August 9, 2002, 10:18 AM
I have two fairly handy places to shoot full auto--I have pretty much free run of one friend's ranch west of the city, and he doesn't mind anything we shoot there, because he knows we are careful about keeping everything on the berm. Only have about 240 yards, though, so the use of automatic rifles and belt-feds is a little limited.
If we're having a "class 3 get together," I usually phone Communications and let 'em know what's happening, in case any newly-moved-in neighbors call.
The other location is a more closely-held private range, nestled amongst the lake bottoms, and it is limited to about 100 yards.
It is not difficult to own FA guns here, and the local attitudes are friendly. I began writing about THAT aspect, but it will probably better be the subject of a new thread.
August 9, 2002, 03:19 PM
I definitely have most of my gun money tied up in class 3 stuff:
- Colt AR-15, model 614 with a second Colt A1 shorty upper
- Gemtech M4-96D suppressor
- Vector Arms UZI
- Gemtech Mossad suppressor
- John Norrell 10/22 with STW in-barrel suppressor
- Just in - second VA NIB UZI, currently a keeper for when the first UZI is all shot out
- In-process - Colt M16A2, like new. Already have a new flattop shorty upper and and M4A1 upper for it. Like the second UZI, a keeper for when the 614 is all shot out.
Currently pining for a belt-fed (MG-42) or Thompson.
I shoot the 614, UZI and 10/22 quite a bit. Mostly paper, steel plates, bowling pins and clays. No competition near me. With the 10/22, it is easy to shoot 2k rounds in a weekend.
August 9, 2002, 04:15 PM
Man, I would love to have one of those 10/22s I remember desperately trying to buy one of those when they were being made, but I was newly married and had a dead end job. I still may get one at some point.
A local here has an MG42. He leaves a pile of brass that is hard to believe. That is the perfect belt fed since the cost of milsurp 8mm is so reasonable.
August 9, 2002, 05:08 PM
The Norrell 10/22 conversion is tops. I shoot the most rounds thru that gun. In John Norrell's words - "slicker than snot" and he is right. I bought mine from him, new, a few years ago - he still periodically will release a new transferable (he has a stash of sears), so keep your eyes on sturmgewehr.com.
There are guys that have many hundreds of thousands of rounds thru their guns with no reported wear to the sear. The gun needs to be kept well cleaned and lightly oiled to keep humming. With a cyclic rate of upwards 1300RPM it can get a bit fussy with a tight Volquartsen match chamber.
I have the button selector (little button on the stock trigger). If the trigger pack is installed in an otherwise stock 10/22, it is a pure sleeper gun.
August 12, 2002, 11:36 AM
Since SC became a class 3 state I am looking for a good '28 Navy Modle Thompson and a M2 carbine.
August 12, 2002, 11:42 AM
Have you checked out autoweapons.com? He has an excellent Colt Navy overstamp there for about $23k. Also lists some M2s. Tends to be a little pricey but has nice stuff.
August 12, 2002, 03:31 PM
Like you said good looking stuff, but pricey!!!
August 13, 2002, 02:01 AM
My NFA items are limited to an SWR integrally suppressed Ruger MKII, plus an Advanced Armament Corporation Scarab .22 suppressor that is in transfer. After getting my first silenced firearm, I don't know how I got by without it. It is so perfect for plinking (my main activity) because the sound annoys no one and my head doesn't have to cook and throb under the pressure of earmuffs.
Maybe one day I'll be able to afford a Vector Uzi. My full auto interests, however, are tempered by the cost of feeding the magazines.
August 13, 2002, 08:27 AM
Feeding a VA UZI can be relatively cheap if you buy your ammo in bulk. I have bought 5k rounds of IMI 9mm for $160/k.
Be aware that VA UZIs NIB from the factory are running out, retail prices are increasing (bought my first almost 2 years ago for $2,600 - going prices seem to be $3000-3200). Some dealers are stocking up so a NIB VA UZI may be possible in a few years, but I am sure it would cost you.
With the prices of many machine guns rising faster than the stock market is falling, I suggest you look to sell existing guns, borrow or beg to buy class 3 now.
I have an like new Colt M16A2 in process; the form 3 to my dealer isn't even done yet and the selling dealer has offered to buy it back for $500 more than I paid. With a safe queen like that, off course I said no.
August 13, 2002, 05:10 PM
hushed Walther P22 with AAC can
Glock 19 with GSG9K from SWR
M11 with Bower CAC9
Uzi with Mossad
August 14, 2002, 12:33 PM
I for one would love for the ban to be lifted and prices come down so I too can indulge in something like a quad .50. :p
August 14, 2002, 11:50 PM
Just have the only C3 item allowed in NY: 12 guage pistol, a Mossberg 590 AOW 14" pistol-grip-only.
Sheriff was surprised at the CLEO signoff request; in 13 years as top cop nobody ever asked him to sign that form.
County clerk was also surprised at the caliber when I had to put it on my pistol permit.
August 15, 2002, 02:08 AM
County clerk was also surprised at the caliber when I had to put it on my pistol permit.
That "pistol" must be rough to stuff in an IWB holster. :)
August 15, 2002, 10:42 PM
Well, thank God I was hanging out at a Class III dealer back in early 1986. When I heard about the forthcoming ban, I had my semi auto Uzi converted by SWD in Atlanta and jumped through ATF's hoops. Thank you Floyd and Marie Thigpen...rest in peace.
I shoot my Uzi a couple of times a year. I restrict my shooting more from avoiding wear on the Uzi than from ammo prices.
I'd like to get a 1917 water cooled Browning.
August 17, 2002, 10:32 PM
I have the following NFA devices:
Haven Mark I SMG - sort of a left-handed AUSTEN Mark I - (made on an approved Form 1 in 1982)
MG-34 - purchased a parts kit from ARMEX International, made the receiver on an approved Form 1 in 1983.
MAC-10 9mm - purchased a parts kit from SWD and a bent receiver flat from some other vendor - completed the receiver on an approved Form 1 in 1984.
Sionics silencer for the MAC - purchased parts and completed on an approved Form 1 in 1984.
I wish they would lift the 1986 ban on new MGs; I'd love to build an AR-10 for my collection.
"Subs" are cool, but BELT-FEDS RULE!!!
November 21, 2002, 07:45 PM
I am new to the site. I own a 12ga.
9 1/2" AOW pump gun.
November 22, 2002, 11:14 AM
I am a manager of a commercial indoor range with a SOT and I have been dealing with some manufacturers and collectors for years. Only recently have I put my own money toward NFA items, my Vector Uzi will be in my hands NLT 5 Dec 02. I have several friends who own subguns and one acquaintance who has (last I heard) 104 registered guns/suppressors, that is the guy to talk to if you want to see an impressive collection. 15+ Thompsons and quite a few Browning belt fed guns, at least 4 each 1919s and AN-M2s (.30 aircraft MGs, ROF is 1440). 2 or more .50BMG M-2s and one very early M1917 (unfired in mint condition). if that doesen't do it for you he has FALs, HKs, M16s (he made at least 12 prior to the ban) a pre 68 transferable Uzi and god only knows what else. My lone NFA transfer pales in comparison so talking about his collecion is far more interesting. In addition to our rental Uzi we have other items (rentals) coming into the shop in the near future so I am bound to add other items before long.
26point2, a 9mm upper for the M4 would open up several shooing opportunitys for you and the price of the M4 will jump if/when the Shrike makes the market. Just something to think about.
November 22, 2002, 12:09 PM
I have crossed the Rubicon. I started my first NFA firearm purchase 3 months ago. Looks like it will be a slow process - might have it paid off before I get to take physical possession; form 4 to form 3, to form 4 inter-state transfer. It's a US citizenship present to myself, if that process goes well too. I plan on a few more NFA firearms in the future. I also plan to shoot all my NFA purchases.
November 22, 2002, 04:52 PM
Since I collect Military firearms, I have a 1928AC Thompson (West Hurley), an MP5, a 1918A2 BAR, and a 1919A4 in 30-06/7.62NATO/8mm. I also have a "can" for the MP5. Since I have a 600 yd range out the front door (It's good to live in the West), I shoot as much as I can afford. On occasion, I shoot IPSC matches with the subguns.
Leuthen, welcome to citizenship in this great country! We (or our ancestors) all came here from someplace, what country did you come from?
I HATE the fact that new citizens know more U.S. history than our high school seniors!
November 22, 2002, 07:32 PM
"second VA NIB UZI, currently a keeper for when the first UZI is all shot out"
PSP: Please post when you wear out your first Uzi. Thanks.
November 22, 2002, 09:24 PM
I'm german, born in the american sector. Came to america 4 years after I proudly declared to my mother that I when I'm big, I'll go to america, get a gun and shoot the russians. I was 5 at that time - US military hardware on parade was pretty impressive to this 5 year old. Fate?
I too was a HS senior in this country. I even remember when the pledge of alligeance was said by the students, each morning as class started - this was in the mid-west, early 70's, 3rd grade. When we moved from the mid-west to the PRK in the mid-70's - 'what is the pledge of alligence?' How things have changed.
My INS interview for citizenship is in a few weeks. Wonder how they view current or past membership in - Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, NRA, 2 gun clubs, and the US Naval Institute (big fan of US naval history)? (have to list all this and more on the application)
November 23, 2002, 09:53 PM
I bought two more NFA weapons yesterday. When I bought my Sten, the sheiff's office couldn't have been nicer in signing the paperwork. But, we have a new sheriff taking office in January and I don't know what he will be like, so I decided to buy now.
I bought a suppressed Ruger 10/22 and a suppressed Ruger MK.II pistol. I decided to buy both guns from AAC http://www.advanced-armament.com/
I got the Phoenix model rifle and pistol.
November 24, 2002, 04:36 PM
USAS 12 semiauto
My wife bought it for me as a present before they were declared DDs. We were at Knob Creek and someone had the selective fire version and I had a chance to shoot it. WOW:D Shortly after that she presented me with mine! I get it out from time to time and run a few boxes through it (I do whish I had gotten a drum when they were almost reasonbly priced).
November 24, 2002, 08:29 PM
Crossed over this year:
Colt M16A1 with original and m4 barrels
Ruger 22 rifle with integrated silencer
HK sear registered in 3 calibers for future use in a conversion
November 28, 2002, 10:36 AM
I only have one, a S&W 76 in 9mm. I would love more but it in Michigan only C&Rs are allowed. I shoot about 5-6000 rounds a year through it. If they were morwe affordable I would own more but I like too many other types of firearms as well. I would love to own a suppressor as well but they are not allowed as well as short barreled rifles or shotguns. I can shoot at a 25 yard indoor range near me but I have to drive two hours to get to a range where they will let me shoot it outdoors. I usually let anyone that asks try it as long as they buy a box of ammo from the range. It is my way of saying thanks to the range owner. He makes a buck of the ammo and I get free 9mm brass.
December 6, 2002, 07:52 PM
UZI bolt gun by SWD Receiver is SBR.
Suppressor that fits M11 and UZI (w/ aftermarket barrel).
Suppressor for TEC22T.
Remington 870 SBS.
MAC Pen gun AOW.
Now I just need to find a DD to round out the collection.
I use the UZI for competition when I can afford the vacation time. I've been to Knob Creek 3 times and two other smaller competitions.
December 7, 2002, 11:36 PM
Married with 2 teens and a mortgage has chewed on my class 3 . I bought most of my guns before marriage .
Gone are my :
BSA M1914 Lewis .303 ground gun
Winchester M1918 BAR
H&R M50 Reising
Still have :
Colt RR AR15 11.5" 5.56 with .22 conversion
Savage 1942 M-1 TSMG
December 28, 2004, 03:08 AM
I am the proud owner of an MG-42 and a Sten MkII, both C&R and both in excellent condition. They're getting occasional use and are very well cleaned and maintained after each shooting session, so they run flawlessly. It's a real joy to share these fine pieces with those who have not ever fired a gun before. Many of my friends who also own historic firearms agree. Also in the collection are a few WWII rifles such as the Mauser k98, Luger Parabellum, M1 Garand, and M1 Carbine. Vintage firearms have more appeal than modern ones. Check out my website's videos page and surf around the other pages there to see ancient weapons and armour all made here at the Knight's Armoury in Anoka, MN. Enjoy your next trip to the range.... :)
December 29, 2004, 09:16 AM
I have a few guns in the transfer process to my dealer and waiting for me to get the corporation papers before I fdo the transfers. State told me I should have the corp paperwork back in about three weeks. In the meantime, my local C3 guy is also an indoor shooting range, so I can shoot the guns before the form 4's are approved.
1928A1 WH Thompson
Beretta BM-59 Alpine
H&R Reising Model 50
NIB PAWS converted Olympic Arms M16
Norrell Converted EA M-16
Gemtech Outback for my P22
For the 16's and BM-59 I use frangible ammo to shoot indoors at 25 yards (308 indoors requires a lot of hearing protection). Also have a dedicated 22 upper for the 16s.
January 4, 2005, 12:36 AM
NFAs and I shoot them all a few times a year
Never confuse the "wife prices" with the actual prices or your bags will be packed!
AK-47 Krink (Actually met Gen Kalashnikov at a Shot Show)
HK51 (same sear)
The one I'm shooting tends to be my favorite. I'm maxed out...I think (it's a disease)
January 4, 2005, 11:16 AM
MG42 (original C&R)
AK47 (incoming: will be converted to an RPK)
(3) M16's (all three are RDIAS guns)
(3) SWD M11's
HK51A3 (sear gun)
.45 Spitfire SMG
Bowers CAC-22 supressor
AAC Phantom 9mm supressor
I haven't shot the AK yet (still waiting for the F3 transfer), but so far my favorite is the MG42. What a beast! I'm actually thinking of trying to get another and set them up on the twin mount, side-by-side.
January 13, 2005, 02:27 PM
I'm waiting Form 4 approval on a NIB Vector mini-Uzi. I must have a few NFA because I've a Master Card bill that would gag a maggot :barf: . I shoot them as often as I can get out, but recently my club has been sponsoring a Machine Gun Shoot. Then they all come out for a wild weekend of "blowing the rust out of the barrels". We have alot of locals attending, so its their first and probably only time to satisfy the Walter Mitty urge to fire a machine gun. (There are alot of Maggy Mittys who get a kick out of the sub guns). I also run up the tab adding stuff to the basic gun; 22 conversion, different uppers, different stocks, sights, etc. ad infinium. Like a new car, its not the base price of the car, its the accessories that drive the price up. Do I own NFA? Oh Yah! :D
March 11, 2005, 04:45 AM
i wish i colud buy one but i am uder 21. also i am currently living in nyc. the most anti gun state in america. however when i move to pa i am planning on buying a uzi from a neighbor of my uncles for only 2k. unfourtunately that wont be until next year. :D
March 12, 2005, 12:51 PM
Working on Thompson M1
March 20, 2005, 02:32 PM
I'm down to just one.....Mac 10 9mm with a can! Had an American 180 a while back that was alot of fun. Class III is a fun diversion...but mostly into Cooper rifles...accurate Varmint rifles with big scopes...LOL sounds just like a kid! lol Kenny
March 20, 2005, 08:42 PM
Just bought a Guide Lamp M3 Grease Gun . :cool:
Now the waiting game . :rolleyes:
March 20, 2005, 10:45 PM
I currently have a blue Ruger ac556 long stock and a blue short barrel side folder. I am trading the long stock towards a Vector Uzi. I just sent the paperwork.
March 21, 2005, 12:18 AM
I've got a few toys in the 'ol locker.
10 or so that run with 5.56
5 or so that run on .308
8 or so that run with pistol cals
And a handful that run various other cals.
April 30, 2005, 01:46 PM
Multiple suppressors in .22, 9mm, 44 Mag, 45 ACP, .308. On the FA side: Uzi, M10/9, AC556, M2. My favorite of all of these is:
Silent Destroyer by Tom Denall: 44 Mag Ruger 77/44 -- As quiet as a suppressed .22lr, but fires a 300 grain bullet at 1000 fps.
August 20, 2005, 01:57 PM
mine:norrell 10/22, norrell sten mk2, jerseyarms M10 .45, sendra/B.F.I. M4 with .22 and 9M.M. conversions and a H.W.P. suppressor. nice assortment!
August 20, 2005, 05:18 PM
I have a couple myself. TRW M14, SA M1A Class3, and a Reising Model 50 sub-gun. Looking at an M2 overstamp now. Probably going to pick up a supressed 10/22 before the M2.
My Class 3 collecting started in the 1970s. :)
August 20, 2005, 07:35 PM
Something ate my picture above: Silent Destroyer 44 Mag Suppressed.
August 21, 2005, 04:40 AM
Just picked up a Gemtech suppressor for .223 last Sunday.
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