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Skunkabilly
July 26, 2002, 01:56 PM
A Strider Katana with tiger stripe camo and 550 cord handle...scaled up version of their line of blades that look like:
http://www.striderknives.com/knives1/bt-mainpic.jpg

Blackhawk
July 26, 2002, 02:28 PM
Fantasy for some.

Dream for some.

Nightmare for others.

yorec
July 26, 2002, 03:15 PM
I'm not a huge knife fan, but that's one COOL looking blade. Where could one get an sample peice and about how much? What kinda of steel is used?

Skunkabilly
July 26, 2002, 03:34 PM
yorec, I'm not into knives either. The only knife I have that isn't a multitool is an 8" Kabar for making sushi (no kidding).

I started looking at knives mainly because they look neat. It's a Strider something or other and MSRP is $300+ but I bet it can be had for cheaper.

I think a 3-set of Japanese blades (whatever they're called, the medium, large and super-size swords) in this configuration would be great.

yorec
July 26, 2002, 04:34 PM
$300.00?!? Never mind - I don't care what it's made outta, they ain't getta my gun money savings... I'm a gunnut not a knifenut, lol!

I'm sure I can find a pretty decent knife for less than a third of that which'll probably work just as well. Coolness look - fah! :rolleyes:

But I bet they sell a few...

CWL
July 26, 2002, 06:56 PM
What's the purpose of the reinforced "tanto" dropped-clip point? Only makes it a pure thrusting knife, which it is too short to be. There are better balanced & lighter 'stickers' out there.

Not efficient for slashing, too much tip, not enough edge.

Looks like a expensive & not too useful prybar.

Mannlicher
July 26, 2002, 09:25 PM
CWL:What's the purpose of the reinforced "tanto" dropped-clip point? Only makes it a pure thrusting knife, which it is too short to be. There are better balanced & lighter 'stickers' out there.


Hey, its 'fantasy', ok? If you want a real knife, you buy a Randall. <grin>

Betty
July 26, 2002, 09:34 PM
Nice knife, but I'll take mine without the camo print.

Skunkabilly, the 3-piece set you're looking for is the tanto (knife), wakizashi (short sword) and katana (long sword).

Supposedly, the tanto knife excels at cutting arteries where a "regular blade" would slide off, but I've never put that into practice, because I've never cut anyone's arteries yet. :D

Tantos blades have wonderfully strong tips. Cold Steel constantly brags about how theirs can punch through car hoods or slash clean through a piece of swinging 3" rope, in case a car hood or swinging 3" rope ever attacks you.

If you like tanto blades, take a peep at the Cold Steel Recon tanto. It's a Recon tanto, so it's guaranteed to make all the commandos seethe in jealousy! And it costs around $80.

Personally, I'm not fond of cord handles on anything other than a display knife - if I use that for hardcore outdoor use, it's going get all kinds of gunk stuck in there. Cord grips don't feel great when their wet either. Squishy.

MP Freeman
July 26, 2002, 11:16 PM
What about this Blade? He be so, so, def!

Yo momz, I need some money! (http://www.icyhotstunta.com/)

Don Gwinn
July 27, 2002, 12:27 AM
Strider makes very good, tough blades. They can't help that people want American Tanto points; they make what sells. You can get the same basic knife with a spear point, clip point, double edge, etc. You can also do much better than their MSRP, but they ain't cheap. Honestly, much like Mad Dogs, if you don't bet your life on how much you can abuse your knife in a life-or-death situation you don't have a need for one of these.
But they are cool.

(Yes, I'm well aware that Mad Dog is now going to come over here and kick me in the nuts for comparing his knives to someone else's. Well, they may not be similar in a lot of specifics, but they cater to the same crowd for the same basic reason.)

Watchman
July 27, 2002, 09:21 AM
The Tanto design is pure utility. Its probably the strongest type of knife put out and they can be extremely sharp.

As already noted, the point design is almost indestrutcable. I say "almost" because some people consider knives to be general purpose tools, a combination srewdriverbumperjackhandlecanopenernutbustingpeanutbutterspreadingtoolofallsorts.


I have the Coldsteel Recon Tanto that Runt talks about. Ive been using it for years to camp,hunt, clean fish and I occasionlly carry it on duty when Im playing Cop.

I can testify to its toughness.Ive broke the tips of several traditinal style knives. Im not saying the tip cant be broke on a Tanto point, but one would really have to work at it .

KSFreeman
July 27, 2002, 03:12 PM
Someone tell MPFreeman to get back to work. My nephews have to start saving for med school. Geez, where did you get that stuff?

Cool kanif, Skunk. But how much will the paint add to the price?

Black would be cheaper AND more tactically correct.:)

Skunkabilly
July 27, 2002, 05:46 PM
Cool kanif, Skunk. But how much will the paint add to the price?

Black would be cheaper AND more tactically correct.

Well instead of tiger stripe camo, of course I would choose skunk stripe camo, subdued black & white to blend with the urban environment.

Seriously though, it would be neat to have them as display blades to make me warm and happy, if nothing else.

CWL
July 27, 2002, 08:50 PM
Real Japanese Tantos were carried as utility knives by Samurai & for cutting the heads off-of vanquished foes. Their tips are not ground like American tanto tips. (I have a real one made from a broken katana.)

Agreed that American Tantos are great penetrators, but what for? Probably useful for taking on car doors and 55gal drums when they attack, but what else?

The tip is marketing hype rather than useful for true fighter role or utility/field knife. There are far better designs, including folding knives for hunting & fishing.

ahenry
July 28, 2002, 03:10 AM
CWL,

Tanto’s (American) are over hyped, but they do have some very real strengths. The angle from the main edge to the secondary edge creates a point that is supposed to be great for things like snap cuts. Personally I don’t see much use for snap cuts, but regardless it does give you a secondary point that is at least as pointed as a spey blade, and probably pretty close to most long drop points. Moreover that secondary point is essentially in line with the main edge of the blade, which can be useful. Rather than moving the position of the knife in relation to the item being cut you have a “tip” right there where you have your main slicing edge. Isn’t always necessary, but it has its uses. An American tanto blade will be stronger at the tip than any other blade design (I hate to be so all inclusive, but I sure can’t think of a stronger design). Granted, there are plenty of knives out there with a different blade geometry that are stronger than anyone could ever hope anticipate needing (such as the Busse Battle Mistress). I am not a real huge “gotta have it” fan of tantos, but I have a couple and they have their benefits.


Skunk,

I’d be leery of getting a knife that fits the niche that the Strider does, with a 550 cord for the grip. Personal preference, but having owned one or two knives with grips like that, I decided that 550 cord just plain bites when it comes to a good grip. YMMV however.

George Hill
July 30, 2002, 01:11 AM
Blackhawk - Quoting from "EXCALIBER" are we?

jimsbowies
July 30, 2002, 07:30 AM
The "boy-ninja", "mall warrior", tanto blade made up to mimic some sort of ancient oriental weapon.....NOW, THAT'S FANTASY!:barf:

But if the question is what would be the reader's fantasy blade? Then Wow! That would be like a kid in the candy store story...

Guess I'd have to go with a Moran of any configuration or size....due to the man and the myth...the value, etc....

After that, I'd take any Randall......:D

Double Eagle
July 31, 2002, 04:46 PM
CWL,

As I understand it, the Strider show in the photo is indeed intended for the kind of bizarre, hardcore situations a serious operator might need a knife for. They are indeed designed to be used if necessary as big prybars- the kind of knife you might be able to bust out of a burning cockpit with if necessary.

At least, that's the impression I get. The Strider forums at www.bladeforums.com might have more information.

I have a pair of Strider trainers... that as close as I got to the knife in the base note. To be honest I really have no need of a knife that size :D

ahenry
August 1, 2002, 08:32 AM
[Homer voice] Mmmm....Randall[/Homer voice]

Do they get any better than that?

the blind lefty
August 1, 2002, 09:13 AM
from the picture ,the blade shape is close to the Timberline Spec-war. the only tanto i have is the buck nighthawk;a well priced utility blade.
i agree with the post concerning Cold Steel blades:they are top quality. unlike many of their overly thick blades,the recon tanto is a well designed knife. i would really like to see a carbon V tanto with a brass handguard,and steel butt-cap.
i have a recon scout which comes awful close to unbreakable utility.

EMS dude
August 2, 2002, 08:45 PM
Are the 3 little P-Diddy wannabees for real or what? they have got to be kidding! Anyway thanks for the laughs, I needed that.

YO! Peace out! or some thing like that. ;)

Tamara
August 8, 2002, 02:25 AM
...big union $$$ right now because they're the flavor of the month. For that price, you can get a Steve Corkum blade that you could cut a car apart with, yet is beautiful (complete with hamon and same) and doesn't look like it was fabricated in a prison machine shop. ;)

Busse and Greco both make seriously beefy knives in the same "sharpened prybar" school that sell for a little less and a lot less, respectively. :cool:

Gumby853
August 8, 2002, 10:14 AM
Skunkabilly - Check out the Extreme Ratio Knives here (http://www.target-masters.net/). You can get them in Skunk color camo!

Skunkabilly
August 8, 2002, 12:03 PM
Hehehehe....

http://www.target-masters.net/img/harpoon_thumb.jpg

The skunk likes! Blades are a tad big, IMO though, but still, neat!!!

Quartus
August 8, 2002, 06:47 PM
Supposedly, the tanto knife excels at cutting


They excel at cutting money loose from people who don't know any better. They are pure marketing hype, just like painting everything black and calling it "tactical". They were brought to the American knife market by the least knowledgeable knife purveyor in the business - Cold Steel. They are good at marketing, but they are NOT knife people. An undiscerning populace bought into the nonsense, so the other knife makers have followed suit so as to not lose business.

Strong? Yeah, so what? So is a pry bar or a good chisel. But a knife is neither. That design isn't good for slashing or for stabbing, so it hardly qualifies as a fighting knife. Skinning? Nope. Lousy design for that, too.

I HAVE found them to do pretty good work at cutting open cardboard boxes, though.

That's an expensive box cutter.

Sgt127
August 9, 2002, 04:34 AM
There seems to be an awful lot of the sharpened crowbars out there right now, for some reason, people buy them. I'm sure it would be dang near indestructible. But, I've found you give up some cutting quality with the big chunky blades. If you are interested in one of the best all around knives ever made, at a reasonable price (for a hand made knife) Check out Bob Dozier.

www.dozierknives.com

Super grind lines, very fair pricing, great reputation. And, he specifically says that he makes knives to "cut" and keeps them reasonable for real users. Kind of refreshing with alot of the other stuff on the market right now. And, no Tanto points.

By the way, a matched set of Japanese swords is called a Daisho.

Quartus
August 9, 2002, 04:58 PM
for some reason, people buy them.

Yeah, and a lot of people watch Rosie, too! :D



Bob does make some sweet knives. "Refreshing" is a good word to describe his stuff.

ahenry
August 9, 2002, 09:28 PM
They were brought to the American knife market by the least knowledgeable knife purveyor in the business - Cold Steel. They are good at marketing, but they are NOT knife people.

I’m not a huge fan of Cold Steel, but for all their hype they do make some good knives. I only own two of their knives and I don’t foresee purchasing more, but I’d be interested to see see/read what you really have against them. They do produce good knives that are scarily sharp and the don’t cost a whole hell of a lot. That doesn’t quite translate into a sale for me, but it does translate into a recommendation. Perhaps you know something I don’t though? It wouldn’t be the first time.

Quartus
August 10, 2002, 09:52 AM
good knives that are scarily sharp

Well, sir, for starters, how sharp a knife is when you buy if has NOTHING WHATEVER to do with how good the knife is. A crummy knife can be made sharp, and a quality knife could slip past Quality Control and ship with a dull edge. In the first case you'd have a sharp knife that will be dull soon. In the second you'd have a dull knife that will take a fine edge and HOLD it. (I often sharpen a new knife anyway. I can do it better than any factory can.)

That said, please note that I haven't said that Cold Steel makes crummy knives. They get their knives made in Japan with good quality steel. But their DESIGNS are hokum - pure marketing hype. Lynn Thompson (the founder) is an arrogant, blowhard know-nothing, the knife world equivalent of a gun store commando. The only difference is he is a great marketing man. He is not respected by real knife people, and probably never will be.

You take a guy like Loveless, Randall, or Dozier (and the list goes on) and you are talking about a man who loves and knows steel - someone who has the heart of an artist and the mind of an engineer. Even the "corporate" knife makers like Emerson or CKRT have people who love steel. With Cold Steel, you have people who love to sell knives.

That's a big difference.

Stray1
August 10, 2002, 10:54 PM
Skunk, I carry an Extrema Ratio T2000 w/ my combat load and have used the on many operations and deployments. I first ran across them in Europe and have put them to extreme use. I think they are a very versital combat/fighting knife.
Good luck w/ your choice. Just don't choose "cold steel".



AIRBORNE!
Liberating the Oppressed!

ahenry
August 12, 2002, 09:19 AM
Well, sir, for starters, how sharp a knife is when you buy if has NOTHING WHATEVER to do with how good the knife is. A crummy knife can be made sharp, and a quality knife could slip past Quality Control and ship with a dull edge. In the first case you'd have a sharp knife that will be dull soon. In the second you'd have a dull knife that will take a fine edge and HOLD it. (I often sharpen a new knife anyway. I can do it better than any factory can.)

You have a good point (hahaha). Like yourself I sharpen my knives and get them sharper than they are when I bought them anyway. However, since I do own a couple of CS knives let me explain what I meant by bringing up how sharp they are. The quality of the edge when it leaves the factory can be a good measure of the quality of the blade. For instance if the blade doesn’t even come from the factory sharp then you can be fairly certain that it isn’t worth much, no guarantee but it’d be a good bet. Granted judging a knife based solely on its factory edge is pretty silly, but it is a mark in its favor. I know you didn’t say they aren’t, but all the CS knives I have messed with have a great edge, and they retain that edge very, very well. His knives do have some good steel and he does put a quality bevel on them. Over-hyped to be sure, but it’s hard to really find that much wrong with the knives he makes, and you really have to respect the price.



But their DESIGNS are hokum - pure marketing hype. Lynn Thompson (the founder) is an arrogant, blowhard know-nothing, the knife world equivalent of a gun store commando. The only difference is he is a great marketing man. He is not respected by real knife people, and probably never will be. I hear all the comments about Lynn Thompson and I have to wonder just how he ****** everybody off. Cause lets be honest, Cold Steel does make good quality knives and he does put a good price on them, or at least he did, recent knives have gotten a little pricey. The only difference in design between CS knives and any others is the tanto. I completely agree that a tanto blade is not all that important. But it is true (not just hype) that a tanto tip will be stronger than another blade design (unless its like a sheepsfoot with no point at all). The hype comes in how much of a need there is for that type of point. Personally I don’t see it, however I also don’t see how superior a Sebenza is (at least not several hundred dollars superior). You will not see me bad mouthing them though. Lynn Thompson is no Chris Reeves or Darrel Ralph and he does think pretty highly of himself, but then so does Heckler and Koch. Can his knives do everything he claims they can? I have tested them myself and they sure can. Does anybody need a knife that can go through a car door? Nah, not in an EDC they don’t. Does that make the knife useless or a joke? Not in my book. Just because a bunch of knife makers are ****** off because he wont release what is actually in carbon V steel is no reason to knock what is actually a good knife at a great price. Cold Steel is a great company for knife beginners that don’t really know what they want and haven’t formulated what they like in a knife. They can get a good knife for a little money and later on decide that they would be better served with an Emerson Commander, or a Kershaw Boa, or a Chris Reeves Sebenza, or yada, yada, yada.

Quartus
August 12, 2002, 03:22 PM
I have to wonder just how he ****** everybody off


Spend 5 minutes with him and you'll understand! He's got the knowledge of a gun store commando, the arrogance of Hillary, and pure smarminess of Schumer.

Unless you are fawning over him, of course. Then he's nice. :barf:


I knew him when he was nobody. He's still nobody.