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GrantLee63
July 16, 2002, 04:21 AM
I am definately going to get ONE of these two models.

Which one should I get?

Dave McC
July 16, 2002, 05:27 AM
A Win-Win situation.

I'd got for the MM if living in a corrosive environment. The Police version gets the nod if unobtrusive is part of the job description.

cslinger
July 16, 2002, 09:23 AM
I gotta go Marine Magnum. I hope to have one soon. It just looks so damn cool. Ok, I'm not ashamed to admit it astethics comes into play when I am buying some guns.

jadams951
July 16, 2002, 12:13 PM
I've got to give another nod for the marine magnum. I got one and it's what I use for my duty shotgun. I've been through several shotgun classes with it and have had no problems whatsoever. Plus it does look awful purty!!!

CWL
July 16, 2002, 12:43 PM
I've had my marine magnum for over 10 years, still no problems.

NIGHTWATCH
July 16, 2002, 10:47 PM
Marine Magnum. :cool:

NINE
July 16, 2002, 11:29 PM
Marine Magnum. I've had mine for about 5 years, and I absolutely love it. Never had a single problem with it... the finish is outstanding. And yes.. it is DAMN cool looking. :D

Al in Md.
July 17, 2002, 03:13 PM
I am going against the grain here but I like my 870 Police models. I have two of them. It would be a shame to paint the Marine Magnum black to make it tactical!!!! But I think both have a lot going for them. If you were to purchase an 870P with mag. ext, parkerized finish and wood stock (my preferance) The price would be close enough not to be the deciding factor. Parked finish would have some advantage over blued as far as rust prevention but not as much as the marine finish. If you ever want to add a side sadle shell carrier the MM the forearm my be to long I don't know the answer on that point. If you haven't visited the Rem LE website you can see all the Police models there. You can't make a mistake going either way IMHO. Al in Md.

Tim Whittaker
July 17, 2002, 04:45 PM
If you are buying a new MM you will be getting the safety lock as a factory requirement. If you go with the PM it won't have the keyed safety lock. I don't know if it matters to you or not but, I thought I'd throw that in. Great choice, by the way. .........Whit

NIGHTWATCH
July 17, 2002, 04:56 PM
Whit 520, where is this safety lock located on the newer MM's? Is it apart of the shotgun or something that is removable?

GrantLee63
July 17, 2002, 05:23 PM
Whit,

Yes I know about the cheesy PC safety on the Marine Magnum, and I absolutely HATE IT! I have that stupid lock on my newly acquired 870 Express. The MM is still one cool looking gun though .....

I'm leaning toward a Police model #4903- the one with an 18" barrel, 7 shot extension, bead sight, parkerized finish, and walnut stocks.

Something about that "classic" 870 look, without the PC crap!

:mad:

Tim Whittaker
July 17, 2002, 06:28 PM
Nightwatch,
The safety I speak of is a lockable safety right where the safety button has always been located on the 870's the only difference is there is a key that can lock the gun on safe. Without the key, in the locked position, the gun is rendered useless.
Grant Lee,
The Rem 870 #4903 is the model that I have 2 of. I would highly reccomend it. ..........Whit

NIGHTWATCH
July 17, 2002, 08:03 PM
Thanks bud. ;)

GrantLee63
July 17, 2002, 08:33 PM
Whit - I think you and I may have something in common very soon as I'm getting closer to getting the same Police model you have ...... I think :rolleyes:

cslinger
July 17, 2002, 08:50 PM
Well Mrs. Cslinger just bought me a brand new Marine Magnum for a wedding present. Yes I am now having a shotgun wedding. I was up in the air between the police model and the MM but the price difference was so small I figured I'd go with the better finish. Besides, as everybody else has said, it looks so damn cool.

I will let you know how it shoots when I am done fondling it and get to the range with it.

Chris

cslinger
July 18, 2002, 04:42 PM
I can't wait to get to the range with this thing.

Mo_Zam_Beek
July 18, 2002, 07:08 PM
Plastic trigger housing on that MM?


Is it plastic on the 870P?

Tim Whittaker
July 18, 2002, 07:16 PM
I don't know about the MM but the PM has a metal trigger housing. .......Whit

CWL
July 18, 2002, 07:44 PM
Triger housing should be phosphate on metal. Mine is.

Romulus
July 18, 2002, 08:01 PM
MMs have the newer plastic trigger housing. PMs have the powder coated alloy trigger housing. Far as I know, only Timney makes steel trigger groups for Remington shotguns...cost more than the SG itself

cslinger
July 18, 2002, 08:26 PM
You know I used to be kind of leary of plastic parts on anything mechanical, especially guns and cars but I have seen both plastic parts on cars and guns take abuse that render the metal item either disfigured or disfunctional.

I have steel frame guns, I have polymer frame guns and to be honest they are both tough as hell.

I guess after that speech my trigger housing will break tomorrow. I made a comment about me never having a SIG malfunction on me in a another post. So basically with Mr. Murphy the way he is, I am setting myself up for a rough range session.

Dave McC
July 19, 2002, 03:14 AM
I eyed plastic parts with a jaundiced eye, but realized there really weren't any breakages being reported.

Sounds like you have a great SO as well as a shotgun. Treat her like a queen!!

IanS
July 19, 2002, 10:44 PM
To me the difference is pretty much cosmetic.

I like my guns black so I prefer the PM. But it'd be nice to have both!

There's a sidesaddle carrier that holds 4 that works well with the standard Remington forearm. Tac-Star makes 'em.

jimmy
July 21, 2002, 05:36 AM
For the benefits of its finish and as a thing of beauty, the MM is hard to resist. Anyway, I sure do like mine.

But overall I lean toward the PM for its traditional looks, metal trigger housing, and no lock.

GrantLee63
July 21, 2002, 10:47 AM
..... For all your replies.

I just checked out a MM at my favorite gun shop, and as far as I can tell, it is identical to the 870 Express except for the foreend, extended magazine, and of course the finish.

The 870 Police weapons on the other hand, have the Parkerized finish (they are available blue also), very nice WALNUT stocks (again, available with synthetic), steel trigger guard, and most importantly (to me anyway), no cheesy PC lock.

Looks like I'm going to be getting the Police model (#4903) as soon as my dealer can get one in.

Thanks again for all the replies .....

cslinger
July 21, 2002, 12:29 PM
Ok, a question to the masses.

Why does everybody get so hot and bothered by and integral locking mechanism. Yes it is PC and I am firmly entrenched in the use the safety behind your ears camp but it doesn't interfere in anyway with my shooting. I just leave it off.

Personally I like the idea of having it there in the unlikely event that I may want to use it. I mean at home I have various storage methods to deter crime and stupid people but if I should happen to be at my parents home and need to leave the gun unattended I could see the benefit of having a nice compact locking device built into the gun.

I hate the idea of smart gun technology as there are way too many chances of a malfunction but a completely optional locking device doesn't bother me one bit.

Just a thought.

By the way I took my MM to the range yesterday and it is about the sweetest shooting 12 gauge with the mildest recoil I have ever felt.

I haven't done much 12 gauge shooting in quite few years and can remember a few wooden stocked SGs kicking like mules if you didn't pocket them just right. My MM is very forgiving heck compared to my 8mm Mauser with steel buttplate it is a downright pussycat.

GrantLee63
July 21, 2002, 01:02 PM
..... At least for me.

I am on the same page as you cslinger when it comes to firearm (or any other) type of safety - the best safety device is the one between your ears.

However, I do not like the idea of Remington - or many of the other manufactures - that succumb to political rhetoric - and hence we are forced to have something we never asked for - PC Safeties.

But back to my original inquiry regarding the MM or the Police models ..... I'm going with the Police model for a multitude of reasons, one of them being the lack of a PC safety.

Thanks again for all who responded .....

nascarnhlnra
July 21, 2002, 01:13 PM
What year did they start putting that key safety on the 870 MM ? I have one on my want/gotta have list but I want one without that key safety if possible.

Dave McC
July 21, 2002, 04:22 PM
Cslinger,besides any questions of choice, utility and PC-ness, the keyed safety CAN be manipulated to on,not requiring the key. Bad idea on a sporting shotgun, VERY bad on a "Serious" piece.

It wouldn't bother quite so much but for the fact there's no choice.

magnum_force
July 23, 2002, 04:36 AM
Can a civilian purchase a new 870 Police or is it LE only? Are you non LE guys buying them used from online auctions?

Where is a good place to buy a 870 Police?

What is a good price for a 870 Police?

Romulus
July 23, 2002, 01:32 PM
PMs are available to the general public...I got mine for $325 on AuctionArms, NIB. But I think that any gunshop will order one for you...

NINE
July 23, 2002, 01:42 PM
That is a good Question... when did REM started putting locks on their guns... and when did they start using plastic parts?! I bought my 870MM back in '98.. or '97, all metal, no lock! :D

youngun
July 24, 2002, 02:59 AM
However, I do not like the idea of Remington - or many of the other manufactures - that succumb to political rhetoric - and hence we are forced to have something we never asked for - PC Safeties.

Nahh.
You buy one cause you want one.
"PC" pressure ain't got nothing on sales reports.
The facts is that folks buy 'em without, they buy 'em with.
By the truck.
Who's at fault?
The way Remington sees it, it's simply a matter of whether or not they're open to attack by the libs.