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CWL
July 3, 2002, 07:31 PM
Y'all,

This just came to mind last night as I was enjoying a Cubano while out on a walk, but how effective would it be to wield a lit cigar as a deterrent when approached/harassed by strangers. Would it be a practical improvised 'weapon'?

I seem to remember learning some lit cigarette techniques over a decade ago, but have since forgotten proper, if practical usage of using the lit end to keep someone at arm's length, flicking ash into eyes, deterring a not-so-serious aggressor. Of course I know that lit cigars probably wouldn't do much damage, but none of us like to get burned either.

Would this most likely act as a deterrent to defuse potential confrontations, or would it likely escalate a situation?

C.R.Sam
July 3, 2002, 07:40 PM
Lit cigar ground into an eye might put a damper on thoughts of further agression.

Sam

Don Gwinn
July 3, 2002, 08:49 PM
Break a bear hug? It might be an alternative to a head butt. I suggest reviewing old tapes of The A-Team and copies of Wolverine for tips.

Let's be honest here. . . . you're fishing for an excuse to smoke cigars, right? ;)

Toadlicker
July 3, 2002, 10:33 PM
Switch to a pipe. Then you can jab 'em in the eye with the stem and not put your smoke out!

Quartus
July 4, 2002, 07:53 AM
I hear they do a pretty good job of keeping mosquitoes and flies away.


:D


I'd think it would be a one shot weapon. The burning tip would fall off too easily.

D.W. Drang
July 5, 2002, 01:07 PM
My own SWAG is that it would rate somewhere near the 911Jack in effectiveness...

pdmoderator
July 6, 2002, 08:44 PM
Carry lighter and can of butane. Do obvious.

(What, you're in PRK and they let you smoke? :confused: )

- pdmoderator

CWL
July 6, 2002, 09:45 PM
Yeah, it's an excuse to smoke more cigars!

I don't want it to be a weapon as much as a deterrence.

If anyone is familiar with the low-level threats of aggressive panhandlers, street people, etc. we have in San Francisco, I was wondering what I could 'wield' in my hand without conspicuosly looking like a weapon.

It seems like a lit butt casually held between myself & an annoying person would keep them at a distance, hopefully make them move on, without escalating the situation.

Don Gwinn
July 6, 2002, 09:46 PM
THE 911JACK!!

Why didn't I think of that! Oh, mercy. That was a time.

PATH
July 6, 2002, 11:50 PM
Gotta say that the smoke from some cheapo cigars is dangerous and poses a hazard to those without adequate protection.

Blackhawk
July 6, 2002, 11:53 PM
Can't see it being a deterrent at all.

Can definitely see it as escalating a situation if you used it or threatened to use it on a BG. That would definitely cause the adrenaline to flow -- in the BG! :eek:

As for docile panhandlers, maybe so.

Ewok_Guy
July 7, 2002, 12:03 AM
You need the deluxe fighting peace pipe. :cool:

http://www.whisperingbear.com/ne1.jpg

Ta Tonka!

C.R.Sam
July 7, 2002, 12:09 AM
IF
You are under attack
And
Your only weapon is a lit cigar.
Shove that sucker through his eyeball...
And the altercation may have just halted.

Sam

Toadlicker
July 7, 2002, 01:27 AM
Now that's one to add to my pipe rack, Ewok!

LBC
July 7, 2002, 10:08 AM
I honestly can't see a lit cigar or cigarette as a viable self defense weapon against even the most humble pan handler, and then I imagine a simple strong word would do.

There must be some reason why police officers require those under arrest or detention to extinguish their butts, however.

Quartus
July 7, 2002, 10:17 AM
That's because they don't want you to burn the seats in the patrol car.

Don Gwinn
July 7, 2002, 02:56 PM
1. Put cigar between your middle and ring fingers in a tight fist.

2. Punch the BG as hard as you can in the throat, nose, whatever is available.

3. Continue as needed.

4. Presto! Good thing you had that cigar . . . . :p

Blackhawk
July 7, 2002, 03:15 PM
Don Gwinn,

Then the panhandler's complaint to the cops includes assault with a lethal substance in addition to assault and battery because the nicotine in the cigar is "bad" all by itself. :D :rolleyes:

Erich
July 8, 2002, 09:03 AM
This reminds me of Robert Earl Keen, Jr.'s song, Copenhagen. I bet it's a deterrent to worms and long relationships . . . . :p

kungfool
July 9, 2002, 11:47 AM
Cigar as a deterrent?....Ridiculous!..................................If anyone can be deterred with a lit cigar then some threatening words should work as well.


If the attacker actually attacks, then definetly jab the lit end anywhere at his face. (Be prepared for them to try to grab at the cigar to break it, or worse, decide a swift kick to your groin is appropiate),
If you do put the cigar out on his face/hand/neck it will defintely **** him off! (Wouldn't it you?) But it will also give you a small window of opportunity to either flee or follow through with a counter attack aimed at ending the situation, if you are really lucky you won't have damaged the cigar so badly that it cannot be relit.....*g*

Bogie
July 9, 2002, 11:50 AM
In my favorite neighborhood pub, I can instantly get a clear space around me by whippin' one out...

Rickmeister
July 11, 2002, 10:49 AM
Bolivian cigars---with clove! :barf: (Yech!)

You'll probably recieve more compliments farting in a crowded elevator; but for the same reason, they make one hell of a nasal deterrent. :D

...

Cigar as a weapon? Hey, it worked for the chic in Romancing The Stone, di'nit? :p

Azrael256
July 11, 2002, 11:47 PM
Rickmeister, we pipe smokers have a counter for that. It's called latakia, and it actually tastes GOOD, so HA!

I've often wondered how effective my pipe tool would be. It's a little three-part device with a small spoon, a tamper, and a poker all held together with a rivet. I figure I could hold the poker between my knuckles and punch at an eye. Of course this would mean that for some reason my knife wasn't an option and I couldn't effectively use my hands, so looking at it as a whole, it's about as effective as my fingernails, but you never know.

D.W. Drang
July 12, 2002, 12:10 PM
Azrael
I always figured the stem would be more effective than the pipe tool, especially if I was smoking one of those looong Canadians.
Of course, I prefer Danish Freehands. Hmmm, a Kirsten, now...

scotjute
July 12, 2002, 12:34 PM
You'll probably end up in jail when the EPA swat team finds that you not only have threatened human life with those deadly second hand fumes, but have also damaged the environment in the process. Charges : assault with a deadly weapon (toxic fumes). Then on top of that you'll be sued in civil court for violating your "victim's" civil rights.

Tamara
July 12, 2002, 10:26 PM
If I have to go for a gun while smoking, then step one is to flick the lit ciggie at my attacker while doing so; most folks tend to instinctively duck/dodge/flinch away from objects flying at their face, especially red hot ones. Might just buy that extra half-second.

Azrael256
July 13, 2002, 12:11 AM
D.W., I always thought that the shank/tenon would break before you really got it deep into anything, although I suppose I wouldn't have to actually drive it into an eye to get the necessary moment I'd need.

Kirstens are those metal-shanked ones, right? That'd make quite a weapon. Since I smoke mostly deep bends (all but 2 are oom's), I guess I'll have to stick with my knife.

On an almost related note, which one of the op-center books was it where there's a pipe/knife duel?

slick slidestop
July 13, 2002, 05:19 PM
Cigar as a deterrent ???

As I recall, Bill Clinton tried to use one to keep Monica Lewinski from attacking him, and it didn't stop her , she just kept a' cummin. :D

seadog
August 25, 2002, 09:28 PM
I recommend an extremely tight wrapped Parodi that has been lit with a butane lighter shoved either in the eye socket or up a nostril, kind of like one should employ a 25 automatic if that's all they have.;)