View Full Version : Mossberg 590 and milspec testing
July 2, 2002, 07:05 PM
Mossberg bills their model 590 as the only pump gun to pass the endurance requirements of MILSPEC 3443E, which is (I believe) a 3,000 round firing test. Knowing how well built the Remington 870 series is, does anyone know how it performed on this type of testing?
July 2, 2002, 08:52 PM
As I understand it, the 870 was precluded because it didn't have an ambidextrous safety.
I see plenty of 870s on the news, most depts and agencies don't regard the safety's inherent RH bias as much of a drawback....
July 2, 2002, 10:34 PM
I had the 870 and the 590 in the armory at the same time when I was in the service. The 590 is a decent gun, but TONS heavier than the 870's were. Other than that the 590 proved to be a solid reliable gun. The US Navy and USMC had 870's for a period of time, ending in the very early 90's. The 870 was dead solid, just as you would expect it to be. The lack of an ambi safety is only part of the reason for the 870 being phased out, cost was also a MAJOR consideration. The 590 did the job and was cheaper.
I also had a few mossberg 500's in the armory, they did not hold up at all. I broke several of the locking lug pins (through the bolt, holds the lug in and pivots on it) personally with very vigorous pumping. The 590 could be broken in the same way, but it took extreme measures and effort to do so. Never had a 500 last more than a couple thousand rounds.
July 3, 2002, 06:08 AM
Don't want to burst any bubbles here, but the 870's are still in the Marine Corps armories. At least until last month when i last gazed into the hallowed halls.
1st Force Reconnaissance Company has 11 870's, 2 590's and 2 1200's.
The Mossbergs didn't last here, and the 870's are prefered.
Force uses shotguns only for breaching, and while the M1014 is supposed to replace all shotguns in all of the services, it is incapable of firing breaching rounds, so the potential for the 870 remaining at least in small numbers is great.
The M1014- The misnamed Joint Service Combat Shotgun is not a combat shotgun, at least by usage.
The shotgun is primarily a weapon used by guards in certain areas- Ammunition Supply Points, Special Weapons etc.
In I-MEF, which has 45,000 Marines and sailors, 14,397 (appx 33%) are armed with pistols, generally considered to be useless in combat.
The shotgun represents appx 1% (523), and is a T/E rather then a T/O weapon.
The only weapon that was less common was the Sub Caliber Machine Gun. When almost all were dumped in 98, there were 819 throughout the entire Corps.
July 3, 2002, 10:58 PM
I don't know about the military but in the PD's I've worked for, I've never once used the safety on a shotgun. We always carried the weapon unloaded from the kit room to the car, pulled the trigger on a empty chamber, then loaded the 4 rounds. There never was a need for a safety. Then again too, I never carried any of my duty weapons "on safe" either. It was always had one in the pipe and ready to go.
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