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Borf
June 24, 2002, 10:45 PM
All right, it occured to me that someone here could answer this for me.

Let it be known that my martial arts experience is limited to half a year of Arnis in High School.

I've heard the "I'm a black belt, I had to register my hands as lethal weapons with the police" line multiple times. My BS meter has always rung loudly upon hearing this, emitting a slight stench of "mystical ninja death power mystique". Are there municipalities that require such nonsense? Can anyone shed light on this?

Thanks

yorec
June 24, 2002, 11:14 PM
Never heard of it. :rolleyes:

If someone came into the office wanting to 'register' his mits we'd probably start a file on him alright - the unoffical type that is passed form officer to officer identifying the potential trouble makers and/or mental cases. We do keep track of those...

bastiat
June 24, 2002, 11:37 PM
I think Ralph Malph was the only person I know of who had to do that.

If you have to register yourself as a lethal weapon, does that still mean registration leads to confiscation? ;)

madgrad
June 25, 2002, 12:21 AM
That was a rumor started in the 70's, and propagated through time by wanna be's,Arm Chair Martial Artists, and other assorted Mental Cases.

I've talked with a couple of police officers, and my DOJO owner. All agreed there is no such law as having to register yourself.

The basis of this rumor may have come about from the fact that Boxers have to register themselves for a License in order to fight sanctioned matches in certain areas.

Hkmp5sd
June 25, 2002, 02:41 AM
The question is, if you registered your hands as lethal weapons and a cop saw you walking around with your hands in your pockets, could he bust you for carrying a concealed weapon? :)

ATeaM
June 25, 2002, 06:34 AM
My hands are registered as lethal weapons. I once was arrested because I put them in my pockets (not allowed to carry concealed).



"My BS meter has always rung loudly upon hearing this, emitting a slight stench of "mystical ninja death power mystique".

Your meter emits a stench ? I think it's time to have it replaced.

Don Gwinn
June 25, 2002, 10:27 AM
I think most people who say this are simply talking smack in an exaggerated way with no expectation that anyone would believe such a thing. Maybe not back in 1970's, but it's been 30 years.

Let's hope so, anyway.

Danger Dave
June 25, 2002, 11:30 AM
I know of no requirement, anywhere, for a trained fighter to register their hands.

However, I have heard of professional fighters registering their hands, because once registered, their hands could be insured against career-ending injury with Lloyd's of London or somesuch. If it's a "deadly weapon", it has a purpose, and a value/potential worth that is insurable...

Betty
June 25, 2002, 12:48 PM
In my high school days I had a Mr. Hot n' Sexy wannabe try to impress me by telling me he was classified as a "deadly weapon" (had a year or two in a McDojo). Said he was going to come over and visit me. So I told him I'd be waiting on my front porch with a shotgun.

He showed up. I had the shotgun. He tried to coo some more weakling soap opera one-liners and left. :D

C.R.Sam
June 25, 2002, 04:43 PM
That youngun been raised right good.:D

Sam

madgrad
June 25, 2002, 09:25 PM
Only a "Martial Artist" would bring his fists and feet to a gun fight;) LMAO

George Hill
June 25, 2002, 09:41 PM
Sure.... Just ask to be registered as "10-86".

Navy joe
June 26, 2002, 09:57 PM
Talk about hard to get! There's a country song in thar somewhere. "She played hard to get an I got no hard cover"

So the question of the day is does Runt have a sister likewise raised? Good, mean women are hard to find.


Funny how when someone spouts such nonsense and you laugh in their face you never get beat down. After all, they're a deadly weapon right? Should be easy to put the ninja death touch on someone calling you a liar... er...calling your bluff.

Betty
June 26, 2002, 11:01 PM
No sister. Brother married. :D

The guy was just plain odd. He was a bling bling boy driving a white lowrider pickup that would get stuck on speedbumps. Claimed he ended up with amnesia after a mild auto accident, and was an expert guitar player, kung-fu master, etc. Had tattoos, long hair, piercing in strange places. Offered to have my name tattooed in a place I won't name. I'm sure mother would have just loved him.

("Here, let me pierce that nose for you....")

He once tried to pick me up and sling me over his shoulder like a sack of potatoes. When he scooped me up by the waist, I grabbed hold of his neck with both hands and squeezeed, locking my back straight. He couldn't sling me, and I was stuck in his grip.

"Let go of my throat."
"Put me down."

Reminded me of an illustration of a heron trying to swallow a frog headfirst, but the frog's got the heron by the throat. Heron can't swallow, and frog can't get out the bird's beak. The caption said, "Don't ever give up."

Eric Larsen
June 29, 2002, 08:20 AM
Ive heard this is true, so if you kill a BG they can keep track of you and your ....er, weapons. Its probably a load of crap or maybe not. Just depends on where you live and the strange laws
they have there.........
In UT, its illegal to have sex if your single! PERIOD! If your under 18, PERIOD! Anything other than the missionary position may be illegal as far as I know! Possible! Anything other than having sex for the sole purpose of procreating, has to be a FELONY!
You never know.......Shoot well

Hkmp5sd
June 29, 2002, 07:25 PM
Law: It is illegal to cause a catastrophe.
Country: USA
State: Utah


Citation: 76-6-105. Causing a catastrophe.

(1) Any person who by explosion, fire, flood, avalanche, collapse of a building, release of poison gas, radioactive material, or other harmful or destructive force or substance, or by any other means, causes a widespread injury or damage to persons or property is guilty of causing a catastrophe.

(2) Causing a catastrophe is a felony of the second degree if the person causes it knowingly and a class A misdemeanor if caused recklessly.
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And of course::)

- It is against the law to fish from horseback

- It is illegal not to drink milk

-It is illegal to detonate any nuclear weapon. You can have them, but you just can't detonate them.

- Birds have the right of way on all highways.

- A husband is responsible for every criminal act committed by his wife while she is in his presence

- It is considered an offense to hunt whales.

- No one may have sex in the back of an ambulance if it is responding to an emergency call.

KSFreeman
June 29, 2002, 09:10 PM
"Registering hands as deadly weapons"=Another factor to weigh in the Gun Shoppe Commando totality of the circumstances test.

There are irrebuttable presumptions=service with the Selous Scouts (he's 22), magic swords, avoidance of schooling, and wearing a flowered shirt.

During undergrad I worked at the gun counter of a large sporting good store/chain. The GSCs would come in and say this to my face ("I don't need a gun, I'm a registered weapon" [usually to a GF]), I would run over to the store phone on the wall and pick up the receiver, "I'll check it out and call the State Police. What's your name?" Never, not a single time, did they tell me.:D

ATeaM
June 30, 2002, 02:25 AM
A welcome idea at most gun shows.

illuminatus99
July 1, 2002, 01:41 AM
total BS, although it does have some basis in fact. back in the 70's in okinawa our military boys that were studying karate were required to register with the post commander. the reason? so they would know how many MPs to send when they catch them drunk and belligerent.

kungfool
July 5, 2002, 12:51 PM
*LOL*.....That one has been bandied about since i was a teenager.

As a couple have pointed out there are a few nonsense comparison's made to registering a boxer's hands (for insurance) the liscence required to box professionally, and troups who's commander's wanted to know what they might be up to.

To top that, as karate eclipsed judo in the USA in popularity there were some egotistical blackbelts (?) who would "register" their hands. As someone else said, anytime a person goes to the police and wants to let them know why and how they are dangerous the police may very well "register" (start a dosier) you.

But there has never been a law that any martial artists register themselves in anyway as a "lethal" weapon. A baseball bat is a lethal weapon, should Sammy register his Louisville sluggers?

There was also a stupid rumor of a law going around that blackbelts must warn an attacker that he was about to tangle with an "expert'. More bull hockey. I tell my students not to say a word about what they may or may not know to any assailant's they may have to face. First of course, is why give them any assailant a "heads up" so he can be better prepared. Secondly, blackbelts have no more liability than any other citizen when it comes to excessive force. Lastly, If I found that I had to injure someone to protect myself I would not want that person to know anything about me he couldn't figure out for himself.

hitnthexring
July 5, 2002, 03:15 PM
Is it really illegal? How do priests get away with it?

Blackhawk
July 5, 2002, 03:45 PM
All functional hands are lethal, I reckon.... :rolleyes:

Quartus
July 5, 2002, 09:12 PM
- It is considered an offense to hunt whales.


I'm sure the whales think so! :D

But where would you find them? In the Great Salt Lake? With an average depth of 20 feet? A MAXIMUM depth of 30 feet?

Small whales, I guess.


I love weird laws! :D

Don Gwinn
July 6, 2002, 05:28 PM
Prepare to eat crow, ye of little faith! I have found a shidoshi in one of the ninjutsu styles who actually has registered his hands and feet as deadly weapons. In fact, because of this registration, it is illegal for him to fight even in an exhibition match or a martial arts competition!

Some of you may even have heard of him. . . . he goes by "Ashida Kim."
:D

(I didn't make that up. He did, but I didn't. ;) It's under "10,000 challenge" on his website.)

Spectre
July 6, 2002, 06:59 PM
Geez...I know legitimate ninpo stylists who have offered to fight him. It'll never happen. Good example of the type of person who'll spout this sort of nonsense, though...

Quartus
July 6, 2002, 07:04 PM
Ah, yuh. So let's see the paperwork. I mean, registration implies paperwork, doesn't it?


Why do I have the feeling the paperwork will show up about the same day that this guy fights a legitimate artist? Like, say, the 12th of Never?


It would be fun to ask him that question. I'll bet he does a real mean tap dance!

:D

kungfool
July 7, 2002, 02:57 PM
One word.....publicity.........Find me the law that states it is a requirement for martial arts experts to be registered....(I mean if we weren't being tongue-in-cheek about it)....*g*

Ed Brunner
July 8, 2002, 05:36 AM
Years ago in Gotham City, I knew a guy who was a professional boxer and he used to say that if he ever hit anybody outside the ring, he would be charged with Assault with a Deadly Weapon which was a lot worse than what mere mortals were charged with in similar circumstances.

kungfool
July 8, 2002, 10:34 AM
Ed........"he said" are the key words there......Since I am a 4th degree blackbelt under the *** World headquarters I could say that I am "registered" worldwide. If Tyson were attacked (I know, it would be the other way around) on the street, he could legally use his mitts to defend himself though he would be held to the same level of responsibility as anyone else would.

TPS
July 11, 2002, 02:49 AM
The only registration I can think of would be with the national governing body of whatever discipline the "Lethal Weapon" happens to practice. In order to compete, many martial artists must be members of such an organization to participate in state, regional, national and international competition. Even non-competitive MAs have associations. That's the only type of registration I can think of.

Semper Fidelis,

Tom

Cheapo
July 11, 2002, 09:28 PM
Eric, Eric, Eric, you're WRONG about sex in Utah for those under 18.

Whatcha got is "consent" being okay for minors 16-17 to do each other (can't remember if that goes down to age 14...). "Consent" is okay for a 16-17 year old to do it with a partner who is LESS than 10 years older.

BTTT: I can only imagine some idiotic local city ordinance requiring such "registration" nonsense. Even if there were such local laws (which I doubt), they would be very high on the "this is so stupid no one will ever obey it and no one would ever prosecute it" list.

In Utah, they DO prosecute on that 10-year age difference minor sex partner jailbait law.

Personal advise: Don't have sex unless you're ready to share a lifetime of parenting with your partner. Read the fine print. Even "the Pill" has a well-documented FAILURE RATE!

Fraser
July 12, 2002, 07:26 PM
That line can be traced to a Dick Van Dyke show in the 1960's. Its generally bunk.

Only the State of Arkansas requires that Black Belts be registered, albeit to teach martial arts.

New Jersey is another state that is studying the possibility of BB registration. The Korean Take-My-Dough stylists are usually the ones behind it, trying to corner the market. However, the state has realized that this could be a revenue generator, especially if they charge $300 a year or so for the license to teach martial arts.

I know that some of the Chinese stylists have been resisting any registration as a 1st Amendment matter, practice of freedom of religion. Some of my Buddist friends practice MA and don't want government interference.

kungfool
July 13, 2002, 07:43 AM
frazer....show me evidence that shows that korean arts are generally "the ones behind it". Sounds like biastness. There are plenty of 'take your dough" schools that abound in all styles of martial arts. By and large the American consumer is blind to what good martial arts instruction is, as long as that is true (and it will be for a long time) it will continue.

streetpro
July 13, 2002, 05:35 PM
My salsa has to be registered. When combined with a posterior activated launcher, a am guilty of "Manufacturing a Destructive Device. (A Title II Weapon)

As with all claims of this sort, believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see.

Best of luck.

Quartus
July 17, 2002, 07:28 PM
I do NOT want to hear, and I most especially do NOT want to see, your "destructive device"!!!

:barf:



:D

looking
July 6, 2006, 11:53 AM
Actually, my stepfather had to register his hands when he obtained his brown belt. There may not be any place that does it now but don't be too quick to dismiss that somewhere actually tried it for awhile.

Raptor5191
July 6, 2006, 12:09 PM
Eh...as several other guys around here are, I grew up around martial arts. My daily routine during the school year was basically: Morning football or wrestling practice, school, afternoon practice, then to the dojo.

Never heard of ANYONE having to "register their hands...". I flat out asked one of my instructors when I was a teenager and this rumour was going around and his response was "No....that is a myth".

When I became a police officer I looked through the PC to find anything that might allude to this being a truth and found that it is a bunch of BS.

So, I say "Show me a guy that registered his hands as lethal weaopns, and I will show you someone with dementia".

I guess they could be "registered" as 5150.

mikejonestkd
July 6, 2006, 01:03 PM
In 20 years of martial arts training I have never heard of anyone that has actually been ' registered ' with the police. I know HUNDREDS of black belts in several states though my organizational affiliation and none of them are registered.

In a civil lawsuit it could be argued that since I have training I ' could ' have shown more restraint and control vs an untrained victim could have. In other words, I ' could ' be held to a higher standard in a self defense situation in which I employed martial arts training.

Thank god for colt, it kept everyone equal, so martial arts training shouldn't be an issue in self defense situations.

Wisby
July 6, 2006, 01:14 PM
WELL if you have a CCW then I guess technically your hands are registered. I mean your finger prints are on file and you are packing a tool that could be deadly when put in your hands.

Al.40cal
July 7, 2006, 12:52 PM
my hands are deadly weapons but only when I'm quartering a chicken.:D

Don Gwinn
July 7, 2006, 01:04 PM
Looking, congratulations on your thread necromancy. (This thread is four years old.)

Looking, we'd all be interested to know your grandfather's name, where and when he registered, and if possible, see some evidence. In the meantime, I suggest you read here a bit. Wouldn't be a bad idea to read Bullshido, either, although they don't play nearly as nicely as we do at TFL:
www.bullshido.net

Metellus
July 7, 2006, 02:09 PM
You might not need to register but if you use a martial arts technique that harms someone the prosecutors will be all over you. Against totally untrained people martial arts like brazilian juijitsu combined with wrestling, muay thai, and boxing can be very effective in controlling and subduing people.

Prosecutors have been known to make it appear that the martial artist (including high school wrestlers, boxers, etc.) is so highly trained that the only reason the attacker got hurt was because the martial artist wanted that person hurt instead of just using a magical subduing technique.

But this applies to any responsible handgun owner as well. In court all those tactical training classes, range time, subscription to SWAT magazine, etc.. will be used against you as someone who was so highly trained or obsessed about firearms that you could have just shot someone in the leg instead of the chest. Not to say this will work but I'm sure prosecutors will try.

And even if you get past the criminal courts there's also the civil courts. All this training looks bad in court. Then again if you get to court and assuming you weren't the bad guy then the training must have worked and that's a good thing.

But in term of registering that's total b.s. If I don't have to register my pistol why do I need to register hands?

Glenn E. Meyer
July 7, 2006, 02:16 PM
Whitaker, B. P. (1995-1996). Empty hands and deep pockets: Tort liability and potential for recovery against individuals applying martial arts training in self-defense. Gonzaga Law Review, 31, 1-14.

Here's an article on such.

spacemanspiff
July 7, 2006, 02:43 PM
Why is it I can't ever resurrect threads this old? I've tried, it always says something like 'thread is over xx days old and cannot be posted to' or something along those lines.

I wonder if I can register my fat gut as a deadly weapon?

jcims
July 7, 2006, 02:53 PM
That, and i heard Donny Baker got his hands registered as lethal weapons...so it must be true.

Anyone want to buy a boat?

Capt Charlie
July 7, 2006, 03:13 PM
*sigh*

The "registered hands" thing has been floating around since I was in high school, and I'm not even going to mention how long ago that was :D .

Even if there are a few, obscure places where this is true, it has little to do with tactics and training ;) .

Closed, for pegging my BS meter.