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twix
June 21, 2002, 11:03 PM
Have narrowed it down to one of these for a starter/ trainer for wife and kids. On my bud's 11-87 sc vs his 28 " 870 (both 12's) we notice no real difference in recoil. Has anyone any experience with the difference in recoil between pump and gas operated semi-auto in 20 ga, especially between the two Remy youth models? TIA

HSMITH
June 21, 2002, 11:53 PM
There won't be a lot of difference in recoil, but the 1100 should feel marginally softer. The 870 is quite a bit heavier. Just shoot light 7/8 oz loads and it will be OK.

BTW, the 11-87 SC shoots fairly hard for an auto due to the size of the gas ports, they are larger for improved cycling with light target loads. You are feeling the bolt hit the bolt stop. The 870 versus a standard 11-87 is no comparison, the standard 11-87 shoots softer by a noticable amount.

Dave McC
June 22, 2002, 04:56 PM
I've shot a 20 gauge 1100 and the kids' 870 YE and noted the 1100 was a bit heavier, and softer shooting.

The trouble is, a lot of this is subjective. Someone else may think the YE is softer and heavier. The balance point on the 1100(and the 11-87 series) is further forward than the 870s due to the gas mechanism in the forarm.

NOTE:

For training and newbies, use the 7/8 oz loads in a 20, NOT the 1 oz barnburners.

HTH....

twix
June 23, 2002, 10:30 PM
Thank you both. That is a good point that the gas operated youth model 1100 balances more forward, I noticed in the Remington literature that the 870 youth is 6# vs. the 1100 youth's 6.5#. I had assumed the difference in weight would be attributed to the synthetic furniture of the 1100. Am still open to experience or opinions on recoil difference between these two.

PJR
June 24, 2002, 07:31 AM
I own an 870 and owned an 11-87 Sporting for several years. I felt the gas gun kicked marginally less but it should be noted that sporting gun is comparatively light with the shortened forrend, light contour barrel and has a very thin recoil pad.

It depends what you are intending to train these people for. If it's primarily targets including skeet and sporting I'd definitely choose the gas gun. New shooters have enough on their mind without having to remember to pump the gun on doubles.

I've shot an 870 and 1100 in 20 gauge and the gas gun kicks less. I agree with Dave's point about 1 ounce loads in a 20. They are to be avoided for clay games.

Clemson
June 24, 2002, 09:10 AM
The 1100 youth model will have less felt recoil than the 870. Additionally, it is a less-complicated gun for the wife and kids to operate. Pumping a shotgun becomes instinctive, but not immediately to the new shooter. Whichever you choose, either reload for it or choose premium shells like the Remington STS or Winchester AA's. These premium shells recoil less than the cheap promotional loads because of the cushion wads that they use. You can build a shell yourself with the same recoil characteristics, and, in my experience, that adds to the new shooter's enjoyment of the sport when he makes his own shells up.

twix
June 24, 2002, 09:50 PM
Hmm. The gun shop owner (whom I trust) said the recoil difference ould be 30-40% less with the gas gun. That much difference would be signifigant. Is it really that much? 7/8 oz loads for sure. Interesting point on the premium shells having less recoil. I allready reload for pistol (IPSC), have considered reloading for shotgun, not sure if I'm ready to make that investment yet, thought I could probably do one of those Lee Loadalls or whatever their called if their not a total POS.

Clemson
June 25, 2002, 06:49 AM
I could believe a 30% reduction in the felt recoil. The actual recoil is the same assuming guns of the same weight, but the gas gun tends to spread it out over a significantly longer period of time so that the recoil impulse feels like a "push" rather than a "kick."

I started reloading with a MEC 600 Jr that I still have. If you are going to load for an autoloader, however, I recommend that you go with a loader like a MEC Sizemaster with a collet sizing die. You can get those for $133 from Gamaliel or other such sources. The 1100's are very tolerant of resized shells -- much moreso than some guns of other brands that I am familiar with -- but the brass needs to be resized to keep a firm grip on the primer. Otherwise, you can back some primers out into the works and tie up the gun until you can drop the trigger group and remove the primer.

twix
June 25, 2002, 07:30 AM
Thank you. 1- Seems like the 1100 will be worth the extra $180 for what I intend to use it for (wife and kids clay games trainer, bird hunting). 2-I havn't looked into shotgun reloading much, but $133 doesn't seem to bad. Does loading for 20 and 12 gauge make any sense? Would it be the ability to load a quality custom load for the cost of buying the cheap stuff at Wally World? What about slugs for combat action shooting sports(an ulterior motive of my own for the 1100)?