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hollow point
July 3, 2000, 09:03 AM
Does anyone have a range review for this shotgun?


Oleg Volk
July 3, 2000, 11:33 AM
JPFO site has a review of Saiga 12 under "Life preserver testing" http://www.jpfo.org/siaga.htm

I also found several mentions of the gun on www.ak-47.net (http://www.ak-47.net) forums. All in all, I wonder about the tactical niche for it (.410 slugs aren't that powerful) though the 20ga version looks good.

July 3, 2000, 10:28 PM
You wonder about the tactical niche?

Ok, here's a pipe dream........

Add a rifled barrel

acquire several 10 round magazines (legal in us......but about $40, last time I saw them)

Load magazines with 00 or 000 buck

You pull trigger once.

Three to five projectiles exit.
Viola! Instant 3+ round burst (effect), to satisfy those AK cravings.

I know this can't work.......it would be too much fun.

July 5, 2000, 11:05 AM
Why a rifled barrel for buckshot?

July 5, 2000, 11:34 AM
Because I imagine that the buckshot is the same diameter as the small .410 bbl, so each porjective would be stablized like a slug. They would be loaded end-on-end in the hull. Guys did this way back when for their handgun shotshells. They take a block of alluminum, drill an appropriate size hold in it, then take buck shot and flatten it in that bolck so that they would match the diamter of their bore (for .45s, .38s, etc).


July 5, 2000, 02:28 PM
It wouls be shaped somewhat like a pancake flying sideways? Wouldn't that make it slow down and lose velocity really quickly?

Daniel Watters
July 5, 2000, 05:22 PM
Of course, why stop at 000 Buck? Ballistic Products offers a plated and hardened .380" pellet which they call 0000 Buck. Moreover, .395" and .410" balls are available for muzzle-loaders and other applications. I've calculated that you could get four of the larger pellets in a 3" .410 hull.

Given a straight stack of pellets, a rifled choke might give a pretty decent pattern. I've read of experiments involving multi-ball loads in the .444 Marlin and .45-70 Government. The latter used three .457" muzzle-loading balls and reputedly patterned within 3" at 75 yards.

July 6, 2000, 09:16 AM
Yup, BC of a flattened pellet is awful. But in a .410, you could use a round ball. Still has a bad BC, but better then a flattened 00.