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Anthony
April 28, 2002, 11:08 AM
Hello Everyone,

There is a gentleman named Ralph Severe here in the Dallas (specifically Farmers Branch) area that has taught Ninjitsu for the past several years at his Art of Combat school. He claims to have been taught by the guy that taught Stephen Hayes who is probably the most famous American Ninjitsu sensi I am aware of.

His website is: www.artofcombat.com

Has anyone ever trained with this guy?

Does he really teach Ninjitsu or is it just straight martial arts?

I'd really appreciate some serious opinions on this as I have always respected the art and the techniques I have read about. My fear is being taken for a ride with all of the scams out there.

- Anthony

Kalindras
April 29, 2002, 10:10 AM
When I was looking for a new school when I moved up to Carrollton, I looked into his school. Have you been? It seems like an alright place.

The thing that caught my eye about the studio is that he seems to include a number of things that many martial arts studios either bypass, or deal with in far too esoteric terms. For instance, there was a training FN-FAL dummy that was used to teach defense against a person with a long arm. I was intrigued by this, and by his website. I was especially interested in the concept of the group that goes out and practices various survival skills on the weekends and such.

What I didn't especially care for was how far away it was from me, coupled with the contractual commitment. I've been burned way too many times (and am, in fact, in a fit with another school over a contract presently...*SIGH*) to want to go into that sort of a situation. That, and I'm honestly not sure what to think about that whole 'inner circle' affair...it could either be very cool, or frightening on a level far beyond what I'm personally prepared to consider.

If you're interested, though, by all means stop by. They seemed friendly enough, and I believe they'll let you sit in a class or two before they want you to sign up. That will go a lot further in terms of answering your questions than I can. Good Luck!

:D

Chiburi
May 1, 2002, 03:37 PM
Go to http://www.e-budo.com/ -forums and run a search, or go straight to the Ninpo section (a few scrolls down) and ask them.There's a lot of discussion going on about so called 'McDojos', so they might now if the one you're talking about is one of those.
The type 'A black belt in authentic Ninjutsu (???) and in 6 other martial arts' gets me suspicious, as well as a few other details on the site --but that might just be me.
BTW,I practise Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu ( 'authentic' ninjutsu?).

Good luck!

Mike Kilo Niner
May 1, 2002, 10:55 PM
Looks like a pretty interesting school. I'm hesitant about "cross-training" in several arts right away, but I'm no master martial artist, so what do I know? I train in Bujikan Ninjutsu also, and his credentials seem authentic. Soke Hatsumi is the Grandmaster of Togakure ryu ninjutsu (and several other traditional schools), Bud Halstrom is a well-known shihan, and both are mentioned/pictured on the web site.

If you're looking to study authentic ninjutsu, it seems like you could do that with this instructor. If you want to learn how to take care of yourself if you get jumped on the street, it looks like you could learn that there, too.

ATeaM
May 2, 2002, 12:15 AM
INTERESTING school to say the least...I checked out the link Anthony provided. Lot's of pics, let's examine them.

http://www.artofcombat.com/photos/ky%20with%20sun%20and%20kanji.jpg

Gecko .45 ?

ATeaM
May 2, 2002, 12:17 AM
http://www.artofcombat.com/photos/der/standar.jpg

Ninja biker shorts ? Must be required for ninja marksmanship.

ATeaM
May 2, 2002, 12:19 AM
http://www.artofcombat.com/images/class1.jpg

I like the heavy bags, and the mat looks clean that's a plus.

ATeaM
May 2, 2002, 12:22 AM
http://www.artofcombat.com/photos/der/snake.jpg


Slutty chick handling a snake...looks very promising, yes, I'm definitely intrigued. This could be the one.

ATeaM
May 2, 2002, 12:31 AM
http://www.artofcombat.com/photos/der/load.jpg

Is this a martial arts academy or the militia ? Or this just how it's done down in Texas ?

ATeaM
May 2, 2002, 12:33 AM
http://www.artofcombat.com/photos/train/bayonet3.jpg

Waco 101

"And when the jack booted thug tries to stick 'ya grab the blade with your hand and..."

ATeaM
May 2, 2002, 12:36 AM
http://www.artofcombat.com/photos/der/whipmach.jpg


Must be a fan of Mapplethorpe

ATeaM
May 2, 2002, 12:57 AM
Well, it's easy to rip on the guys going on pics alone, but that's not fair. I've never seen any martial arts school offer that variety of training. If that appeals to you, go for it. Asking $20 for a trial class is lame. See if they will let you sit in first (for free) and if there is anything specific that you want, get a guarantee. They list hours for the class but no schedule for the numerous outdoor activities they promise.

Halffast
May 2, 2002, 04:15 PM
I am sure that some will disagree, but I am leary of any black belt that can not run a mile in under 10 minutes. Maybe this guy can, but by the way he looks, I would bet he runs out of breath running to the fridge on the commercials. :p

Just my $.02 and YMMV.

David

Skorzeny
May 3, 2002, 03:53 AM
Considering that physical attributes is an important element in any "serious" martial art, I'd say the "instructor" needs a little training himself. Looks like I can just poke him in the eye and then run around for about 3 minutes and have him croak in a cardiac arrest (a la "Life of Brian" gladiator scene).

Plus, that technique being done on the ground is a classic Kodokan Judo or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu technique, and not something that is often taught in "authentic" Ninjutsu schools, if only for the reason that, to apply it (correctly) with maximum leverage,the right leg should be over the head, thus exposing one's groin area to the opponent's bite (okay in NHB or sports grappling competitions, definitely NOT okay in any real fight). EDIT - there is a picture of the "professor" doing the same technique on his website - COMPLETELY INCORRECTLY - he actually does it so that he cannot perform the technique at all! He needs to take his $30 introductory Judo or BJJ seminar again. - END EDIT

Lastly, everytime I see lots of imitation Asian style letterings on the wall (in English!) and tacky dragon cartoons, my BS meter goes up right away. BTW, "variety" does not make up for lack of quality.

Skorzeny

TaxPhd
May 3, 2002, 11:30 AM
Looks like he has everything but the special wall climbing boots. :rolleyes:

Mike Weber
May 8, 2002, 03:23 AM
On that pic with the bullwhip and machete? I would swear that one of the weapons on the wall was a frog gig:rolleyes: ?

DaveK
May 8, 2002, 07:27 PM
I recall that back in my Wing Chun days, proper etiquette required one to challenge, square off against, and soundly defeat one's fellow martial arts practitioner prior to insulting his/her abilities and/or school.

Admittedly, this was back before the internet achieved its current widespread popularity.

-Dave

Skorzeny
May 8, 2002, 08:36 PM
I recall that back in my Wing Chun days, proper etiquette required one to challenge, square off against, and soundly defeat one's fellow martial arts practitioner prior to insulting his/her abilities and/or school.

Admittedly, this was back before the internet achieved its current widespread popularity.What do you expect? For all of us to go around the country of 250 million people and challenging and defeating every fraud in the martial art industry? And who would prevent newbies from falling into the plumb hands of frauds while all of us are walking the earth like Caine?

Or do you expect not to comment at all about anything in the world until we physically challenged and defeated the subjects of such comments?

If a "martial artist" starts using words like "combat art," "street-effective" and other jargon, the onus is on him to prove it - otherwise he deserves the jeers he gets for "all talk, no action."

It took a chance happenstance to get that fraud, Frank Dux (of "Bloodsports" fame) to actually face a third-rate UFC fighter and get a royal beating out of it (of course, Dux sued the hotel that hosted the event and made out just fine).

I confronted a martial art fraud when I lived in another city once. I urged the university (which hosted him) to require certification for his claims as a martial arts "master" and a "self-defense and grappling instructor" to no avail (he took to wearing a black belt - even though I knew for a fact that he had only a few months of Tae Kwon Do and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu training). This is a guy I, but a mere student in a few systems, toyed with and submitted and knocked around at will during sparring at one of his "classes," leading him to have the security escort me out and bar me from coming near him during his classes (and screaming about what he "can really do to me in a real fight" AFTER security arrived and asked me to leave). He also taught "knife defense" by having his clueless students catch fake blades between palms (!) a la 1970s Ninja movies and taught a flying armbar (!) that he cannot do himself (he had a girl jump onto his arm while he fell on her and pretended get arm-locked, with plenty of padding on the floor of course) as a viable form of street self-defense.

I offered to fight him NHB-style at a local event (or to have him put up a knife defense demonstration while I "attack" him with a magic marker), but he declined, stating that he was "too busy with UFC appearances" (!), which was obviously a ridiculous lie. If my BJJ instructor (who is a Pan-Am medalist) or my Arnis instructor had a chance to figh this guy, it wouldn't even be funny (I'm thinking 10 seconds, max, that'd if he doesn't run like hell). In the end, I simply felt sorry for all the naive students he suckered into attending his classes (many of them impressionable sorority girls who simply did not know better and actually bought into his fake UFC victory stories).

To physically chase down and expose all these frauds would be daunting enough - word of mouth is much easier and cost-effective. Let's put it this way - if you saw an Internet ad of someone who claims to be a Navy SEAL, Delta Force operator and secret CIA-NSA officer who shows pictures of him wearing a Ninja outfit and wearing a dozen fake military decorations, pretending to teach "real military gun combat," would you first challenge him and beat him in a gunfight before you speak up?

Skorzeny

DaveK
May 8, 2002, 10:55 PM
This is such a basic concept that I'm not sure if I can elaborate on it.

Interesting.

Skorzeny
May 9, 2002, 02:01 AM
Again I ask:Let's put it this way - if you saw an Internet ad of someone who claims to be a Navy SEAL, Delta Force operator and secret CIA-NSA officer who shows pictures of him wearing a Ninja outfit and wearing a dozen fake military decorations, pretending to teach "real military gun combat," would you first challenge him and beat him in a gunfight before you speak up?

Skorzeny

Danger Dave
May 9, 2002, 06:43 AM
I think, in a lot of ways, the rise of the lawsuit has hurt martial arts in this country. In the 60's, from what I've been told, it wasn't that unusual for the guy who opened a new school to have to fight some of the local instructors/senior students. It wasn't so much a no-rules fight as a test - if you couldn't hold your own against your peers, what business did you have teaching? Now, you get sued for even thinking about challenging someone, much less showing up on their doorstep.

Trading a few blows sorts out the BS real quick.

And to defend Skorzeny's criticism, he criticized a technique he's familiar with - I think he's entitled to critique photographs posted on a public webpage, if he knows said techniques. They obviously thought it was good enough to attract new students, they should be open to criticism.

Oh yes - whenever I see "ninjitsu" or some obscure/rare martial art advertised, my personal BS-o-meter automatically goes into high alert. The impossible-to-check-up-on "credentials"
are the favorite hiding place of the fraud, in any endeavor. I'm not saying it's always a fraud, but, how can you know if there's no way to check?

And a couple of good, sound techniques will beat an arsenal of poorly taught/poorly executed ones.

DaveK
May 9, 2002, 07:46 PM
Skorzeny, while the issue of hypothetical anonymous individuals making internet claims of high-level federal employment is an interesting one, it is unfortunately not what we were discussing.

What we were in fact discussing was an actual flesh-and-blood individual, one Ralph Severe of Dallas, Texas, to be precise.

In any case, however, I do find that lately I seem to be accepting challenges on a slightly more regular basis than I issue them.

-Dave

ATeaM
May 9, 2002, 11:59 PM
"What we were in fact discussing was an actual flesh-and-blood individual, one Ralph Severe of Dallas, Texas, to be precise."

You mean this guy ?

http://www.artofcombat.com/photos/art/arc008.jpg

Master Kamayama is deep sensitive ninja.

http://www.artofcombat.com/photos/art/art078.jpg

Is it just me or do you also hum "Cat Scratch Fever" when you see this one ?

http://www.artofcombat.com/photos/art/artb18.jpg

Must be a fan of Jame Lee Curtis' work in "Perfect".

DaveK
May 10, 2002, 12:43 AM
Yikes.

Modifiedbrowning
May 10, 2002, 12:54 AM
A team, ROFLMAO! :D

Skorzeny
May 10, 2002, 01:14 AM
DaveK:
What we were in fact discussing was an actual flesh-and-blood individual, one Ralph Severe of Dallas, Texas, to be precise. It's called an analogy. A fat guy in a Ninja suit toting a sword pretending to teach "combat" and "street effective" fighting system while parading in front of tacky fake Asian style lettering and dragon cartoon figures while "demonstrating" basic Judo/Jujutsu technique incorrectly on his own website doesn't require a physical confrontation to debunk.
In any case, however, I do find that lately I seem to be accepting challenges on a slightly more regular basis than I issue them. I love it when you are cryptic. If you are still sore that I wouldn't travel 2,000 miles to visit your apartment to put up a Muay Thai and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu demonstration, that's just too bad. I don't have such an empty life that I need to travel around the country at my expense to visit everyone who decides to be cryptic on the Internet. As I recall, if I'm ever in your town, I offered to meet you at a Muay Thai or BJJ school - yes, a PUBLIC place - for a friendly sparring session. Sorry that I don't make a habit of personally visiting strangers around the country to do sparring sessions at their private residences.

All that aside, I am a fairly tolerant man. I ususally hold my judgement about people who claim to be "masters" unless some obvious things stick out. In this particular case we are discussing, obvious things do stick out.

Skorzeny

Halffast
May 10, 2002, 10:45 AM
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck........

OR

If it looks like a wannabe and sounds like a wannabe........:rolleyes: :barf:

David

Mike Weber
May 10, 2002, 01:42 PM
It was the weapons display that looked like it had been purchased from the local True Value hardware store, the hokey advertising, and I still say that one item on the wall looked like a frog gig to me. That got my BS meter going off. I doubt that Doctor Hatsumi would approve of this guy.

DaveK
May 10, 2002, 04:00 PM
No hard feelings at all Skorz.

You are still invited to come visit anytime you like to take me up on the challenge _you_ issued, though I am admittedly not holding my breath here...

-Dave



--Oh, and as it happens, I feel kinda stupid now about not answering your previous question in a more timely fashion. We both know form experience exactly what I would do in that sort of situation, i.e. ask for an actual name, locale, details of emplyment, country of origin, etc...

The real question is what to do if you ask for evidence to back these sorts of questionable claims and are flatly refused?

So what would _you_ do in your own hypothetical question, Skorzy? After all, it would appear that you and Mr. Dux are operating off a similar playbook...

Take care now.

Anthony
May 12, 2002, 01:28 PM
Hello Everyone,

I have been running a thread over on the site one of your suggested, www.e-budo.com.

Well, before I posted anything I discovered that Mr. Severe is a regular contributor over there. So I just posted a general thread asking about a Ninpo school in the Dallas area. He got into the most UNprofessional game of character assassination with this other guy and refused to stop after I asked them to.

That told me everything I needed to know. Go over and look in the Ninpo section for a thread started by "Antonius" and read it. Some of the more inflamatory stuff was offloaded by the moderator at my request into a new thread in the "No Holds Barred" section. In the end, I asked the moderator to close the thread.

I did locate a private dojo run by a Luke J. Molitor that looks very promising. The only one so far that actually screens applicants to make sure they are ok before joining.

Anyone familar with Mr. Molitor?

- Anthony

Skorzeny
May 12, 2002, 05:15 PM
DaveK:
So what would _you_ do in your own hypothetical question, Skorzy? After all, it would appear that you and Mr. Dux are operating off a similar playbook...
There are many differences between Frank Dux and me - one of the main differences is that you don't see me going around telling people that I was secret agent (who practices a 2,000 year old system designed by me) making personal gains at other people's expense.

You are still sore that I won't bare my personal information to you, a complete stranger on the Net. Too bad. There were others who asked me nicely and politely (after introducing themselves a a bit more professionally), and they know a heck a lot more about me than you ever will.

BTW, there are ways to see if someone does have the experiences that he claims to have, other than simply asking his name, rank and serial number or where he had been. For example, I spoke of my defense contracting experience. You can quiz me about FMS/FMF procedures or munitions export compliance processes, and can tell if I'm "legit" or not. I spoke of military doctrine issues. Ask me about what used to be called (in my day, anyway) FM 100-5 Operations. Ask me about the difference between Aufstragstaktik and Befehlstaktik and how they relate to the evolution of "Active Defense" into "AirLand Battle." Wanna know where I've been? Ask me about the distance between 8th Army HQ and Camp Casey or about what assets there are at Osan AB.

The real question is: will you know the right questions to ask? My guess is not, which is why you keep engaging in this personal information banter rather than addressing the issues themselves.
You are still invited to come visit anytime you like to take me up on the challenge _you_ issued, though I am admittedly not holding my breath here...
I offered to meet you at a PUBLIC location (preferably at a Muay Thai gym or a BJJ school) where I can spar with you - and I offered to buy a round of beers - IF we are nearby and if not (which turned out to be the case), then WHEN and IF I am in YOUR town.

Having a real day job and a real life, I am NOT going to just fly 2,000 miles to where you live just to spar with you, okay? Furthermore, I am most certainly NOT walking into some stranger's private residence, not knowing what awaits me there. If you want to continue this juvenile conversation, I suggest you use the TFL PM.

Skorzeny

Skorzeny
May 12, 2002, 05:19 PM
Anthony:

Good luck with your search. Despite objections from another in this forum, I am glad that you did some research first. The way a person conducts himself says a lot about his philosophies and qualifications as an instructor. Keep at it and find someone whom you will be conformtable with.

Skorzeny

DaveK
May 12, 2002, 07:40 PM
Not one of your stronger responses.

Juvenile behavior might be, say, issuing a challenge after having lost one's temper during a totally unrelated discussion--but unfortunately that's what happened.

Also, in the event that you do actually screw up badly enough as to issue a challenge to a complete stranger on the internet, you need to at least be able to back it up with a time and a place, or at the very minimum, at least have the courage to disclose your general locale and even maybe a real-life name.

You seem to be suffering from a fair degree of confusion about generally accepted social conventions here, but I shall do my best to try to help you out.

Finally, if my accomodations were not up to your standards, I am even willing to come to you and meet with you for a friendly Muay Thai exhibition in whatever gym you choose. I do travel enough that, given time, I shall eventually be able to visit any locale in the lower 48.

I will make it so easy for you that I will even come to you.

Now where is your courage to back your words, man?

-Dave

P.S. I'm not really all that upset any more. The real issue here is that you have issued a challenge that you are now dodging. I think this ( http://home.att.net/~philelmore/mafraud.html ) may interest you.

Borf
May 12, 2002, 08:31 PM
Looking at those pictures on the previous page just makes me think of Col. Kurtz! What with the painting and all... can't shake it.

Probably like a great many other things, those who can do something don't need to tell everyone how good they are at it. I'm heading back to that website for some more after dinner relaxation now. Hoping for more snake handling pics ;)

ATeaM
May 13, 2002, 02:21 AM
Master Kamiyama has quite a collection of original works. Check them out under the "art" link at his website. WARNING: quite a few of them are of an adult nature, be prepared to see the many roles master kamiyama's hand plays.

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DaveK saidAlso, in the event that you do actually screw up badly enough as to issue a challenge to a complete stranger on the internet, you need to at least be able to back it up with a time and a place, or at the very minimum, at least have the courage to disclose your general locale and even maybe a real-life name.

I don't know what incited this but the response skorzeny gave doesn't seem out of line or cowardly. The way you drag this is a little creepy however and if I were Skorzeny, I would be equally as wary.

We have a bouncer who comes to my MT gym off and on. He's a heavyweight and fairly tough. Anyways, on his AOL profile he had put down kickboxing as one of his interests, some freak show instant messaged him and issued a challenge. It turned out this guy lived in the area and liked to "expose" wannabe martial artists. He bragged about training in his back yard, and that all the stuff we did in the gym was useless on the street. My friend the bouncer who's competed in a few club smokers with great success laughed it off at first, but the guy kept at it, emailing him, talking ****, even though my friend didn't seem to care. Finally my friend agreed but only on a cash basis, the guy insisted they fight in his back yard (which my friend later regretted). So the bouncer shows up at the time they agreed upon, the freak show is rail thin and looks mentally ill/perverted. He tries to back out of the fight, being friendly and all, wanting to go light at first ect. "Sure" said my friend, they put on the gloves, and 30 seconds later the freakshow was in a crumpled fetal position begging for mercy. My friend had not even broken a sweat. The freakshow apologized, and then tried to weasel out of the $100 he agreed to pay if he got knocked out or lost. He broke down and cried like a baby. My friend only agreed to leave without the money if the freak promised never again to issue challenges to people he didn't know.

It's obvious who's trying to sell a load of bs and who's got their story straight. I've read a lot of Skorzeny's posts, and while he is very opinionated, he's never trumped himself up like Master Kamiyama or the freak who challenged my friend. I too value my privacy and keep quiet about my personal life and my own involvement in the martial arts. However, if someone feels the need to prove something to me, I'm more than happy to indulge them, and just like Skorzeny, it's gonna be in a public place. DaveK, since it seems you and Skorzeny will never be in the same place at the same time, I have another solution that might suit you. You live in AZ, I'm in L.A., my MT club puts on competitions every month, K-1 rules with shin pads and head gear. If you want to come and compete, we're more than happy to put you in the fight show. This month it's on the 18th, let me know if you want to participate, we'll let everyone here know how you did.

BTW, that "virtual tough guy" link was hilarious, thanks.

Mike Weber
May 13, 2002, 04:46 AM
Dittos on that virtual tough guy link A Team. I've been over to that sight and checked out some similar links there. I'm kind of new to BB chat rooms myself, so I was unfamiliar with terms such as TROLLS and such. They had some very interesting related posts over there. I've been following this thread out of curiosity. The hokie ninja advertising got me to wondering how many people would take such a school seriously. We have a school in my city that uses similar advertising and no one takes them seriously. They are called Temple Kung Fu. If you check out the martial sites around the net you'll see them compared with the likes of Frank Dux and Ashida Kim as frauds. Relating to this thread I went over and took a look at Ralph Severe's site The cover photo showed him in the same picture with Doctor Hatsumi. I just can't quite see that happening in real life.

krept
May 13, 2002, 10:50 AM
DaveK, where do you roll? Have you done much MT? I'm looking for a place around the west side of Phx that teaches... any ideas?

I have no doubt Skorz knows that of which he speaks, but at this point there aren't any issues where I need to take sides. Suffice to say that Skorz has given good advice here and on submissionfighting.com or mixedmartialarts.com or mma.tv, whatever it may be now.

Rereading the thread it seems like there are some inferrences that are simply over my head. I didn't see anything out of line unless I was the ninpo grandmaster. (FUNNY ass comments Ateam)

Just remember... hell hath no fury like that of Grandmaster Robert Ferguson...

http://www.submissionwrestling.com/store/images/book.jpg


edited to correct "...at this point there isn't an issues..." because i lack skils

DaveK
May 13, 2002, 02:17 PM
Skorz challenged me a couple months ago.

Will link it tonight...

LawDog
May 13, 2002, 10:33 PM
I recall that back in my Wing Chun days, proper etiquette required one to challenge, square off against, and soundly defeat one's fellow martial arts practitioner prior to insulting his/her abilities and/or school.

Maybe in your school, but Hollywood and Hong Kong notwithstanding, mud-slinging, back-stabbing, knee-biting and mush-mouthing other schools and styles of martial arts has been around as long as the martial arts have been.

Ah, Grasshopper, to critique, first you must defeat.

Horsefeathers. If someone is over the top, I can bloody well say that he's over the top without having to wander down to his school and slap him with a glove.

We have a alleged ninja sensei who lost his girlish figure sometime ago -- to put it mildly.

He's demonstrating at least one technique incorrectly.

Judging by the pictures and artwork, he's got the old Martial Arts Sex God thing going.

He visits a forum and devotes himself to some truly outstanding troll-work on two threads at least.

And last, but certainly not least, his curriculum vitae looks like this:
SHOTOKAN
TAE KWON DO
SPORT JUDO
JUJUTSU
TANG SOO DO
HAPKIDO
WESTERN BOXING
JUN FAN GUNG FU - JEET KUNE DO (1976)
WING CHUN Gung Fu
WESTERN WRESTLING Free style
WESTERN FENCING (FOIL & SABER AND RAPIER)
NORTHERN CHINESE KICKING METHODS
AIKIDO
HWARANGDO
NINPO HAPPO BIKENJUTSU-BUJINKAN (1980)
MUAY THAI KICKBOXING
SAVATE
AIKIJUJUTSU DITO RYU
FILIPINO METHODS-KALI (1983)
PENCAK SILAT
CHIN NA
KUKISHINDEN RYU DAKENTAIJUTSU HAPPO BIKEN
TAKAGI YOSHIN RYU JUTAIJUTSU(1988)
TOGAKURE RYU NINPO HAPPO BIKEN
KOTO RYU KOPPOJUTSU
GYOKKO RYU KOSHIJUTSU NINPO
SHINDEN FUDO RYU DAKENTAIJUTSU,JUTAIJUTSU
FILIPINO METHODS-DUMOG, PANANTUKAN-PANAJAKMAN
TAI CHI CHUAN(YANG)
GRECO-ROMAN WRESTLING
SHOOTO WRESTLING-SATORU SAYAMA METHOD(1992)
SAMBO-SPORT & COMBAT (1995)
BRAZILIAN JUJUTSU (1996)
CATCH "Hook" WRESTLING (1998)

Taken directly from his website and apparently in chronological order. He may have trained in eight different arts in a four year period (1976-1980), and twelve more from 1988 to 1998, but you'll pardon me if I opine that he might have missed some of the umm ... finer points ... in his fast-food approach to the martial arts.

If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck, I am not required to challenge it to a nunchuck duel at noon to wonder if its Ninja Master claims just might smell a wee bit of bovine exhaust.

LawDog

krept
May 13, 2002, 10:53 PM
Wow, I didn't even see all that. Amazing fella... and he can paint hotties.

Guys, I wouldn't mess with ninjas. The things they post on their site are obviously ploys to draw unwitting traditional martial artists in for challenge matches and they end up disappearing in the desert. Look closely at the pictures. The real ninjas are hiding. One is in a bush where the guy has the LAR Grizzly .50 BMG and the other one is hiding behind a heavybag with a hole in it so he can look at the camera. Pretty clever stuff, I must say. Oh yeah, don't forget to look on the ceiling in the pic where the guys are 'stickfighting.'

In any event, DaveK, I got all excited with the thought that some ultimate tactical war was going on between you and Skorz, both martial artists and both firearm enthusiasts, but alas with my search of the forums I didn't find anything alluding to a challenge match.

If you guys do a friendly roll, I'll tape it. I've got some good challenge matches on tape, like guys vs. Joe Pardo at the Gracie school and garage fights with Alan Goes... you know, stuff like that. Trust me, I'm not holding my breath, I'd just like to be there and I'll even buy you guys both a round for being good sports.

To you outsiders, things like this seem twisted and bizarre or barbarian. Really, people can have friendly matches like this, settle their differences on the mat in a neutral setting and walk away buddies. That's what's great about MMA. It's the people that get their ego cut down and take things way too personal and then come back armed or with buddies that ruin the sport for everyone. I know Skorz ain't the type of guy to do something like that. Don't know about DaveK but he seems like a decent guy from the posts I've saw in the search.

What an ironic thread to be posting this message on.

C.R.Sam
May 13, 2002, 11:09 PM
Renassance man ?

DaveK
May 14, 2002, 12:35 AM
For those wondering why I seem to be hounding Skorzeny, here is a link to a thread in which we discussed some issues and he then offered to meet me in the ring. ( http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105779 )

I'm not one to pick fights, but if someone is going to resort to argumentum ad baculum they must be answered. A challenge is a serious thing that should be acknowledged and resolved honorably.

The offer for a K-1 match is appreciated, but I am not looking for any old fight. I am simply holding a man to his challenge.

Skorzeny has been given all of my contact information while sharing none of his own, making it difficult for me to aid him in the resolution of his offer. I'm beginning to question the sincerity of his challenge.

DaveK
May 14, 2002, 12:51 AM
Krept-

I live all the way out in the wilds of east Phoenix. If you like, I'll email you my contact info and we could partake in some fermented grain beverages.

-DaveK

LawDog
May 14, 2002, 01:07 AM
Argumentum ad baculum (resorting to force or the threat of force in order to try and push the acceptance of a conclusion) is not acceptable at The Firing Line.

Neither is tu quoque reasoning.

I neither know, nor care, where, when or how this vendetta between two Members of TFL started, but the public manifestations of it end now.

LawDog

Skorzeny
May 14, 2002, 02:33 AM
LawDog:
AIKIJUJUTSU DITO RYU That's interesting. The Ninpo Master apparently does not realize that it is "Daito-Ryu Aiki-Jujutsu" meaning Greater East Style Harmonious Techniques of Softness. BTW, the "Greater East" part does come from "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" as the founder of that style was highly influenced by the Japanese philosophy then current about "uniting" the people of East Asia against the Western "barbarian" colonialists.

krept:
I've got some good challenge matches on tape, like guys vs. Joe Pardo at the Gracie school and garage fights with Alan Goes... you know, stuff like that. So do I! But, then again, don't half the people who train in BJJ do? BTW, isn't Alan huge now? In that footage, he is "normal" sized.
Just remember... hell hath no fury like that of Grandmaster Robert Ferguson... Is the "Prince of Leglocks" still around? Doesn't he realize that *I* am the real "Prince of Leglocks"? :) I trained in Shooto for a bit under a student of Erik Paulson - and I became fanatical about leglocks, particularly heel hooks and ankle twists off being in the Guard (especially the one in which you grab the opposite ankle, twist your body 90 degrees and roll over into a lock, with a nice switch/transition to a kneebar). So much so that my BJJ instructor forbade me from using leglocks for a year, because he thought that my guard passing skills were suffering - he said that I was addicted to leglocks. He was right, of course. My guard skills had stalled a bit while I was gingerly pulling out leglocks everytime I was in the guard.
It's the people that get their ego cut down and take things way too personal and then come back armed or with buddies that ruin the sport for everyone. That's why I get scared - yes, scared - when people refuse public engagements and offer their apartments.

In any case, per request from management, I will not respond to DaveK's posts.

Skorzeny

ATeaM
May 14, 2002, 07:47 AM
[edited: because pic was too evil to post, Master Ralph has had enough] Probably my funniest photo edit yet though !

krept
May 14, 2002, 10:47 AM
Man, those threads about Israel really make my head hurt. Good stuff, thanks for the link.

As far as the situation between Skorzeny and DaveK, I don't think it's as much a matter of Argumentum ad baculum as it is about whose Kung-Fu is better. MMA guys (and gals) are like that. Even if one taps the other, I doubt they would say "see, I told you I was right about Israel!" But yeah, LawDog is right I guess it's better stuff like this is left in PMs.


Is the "Prince of Leglocks" still around?

Yep, the scary thing is, I think he's even competing in MMA matches. I've always wanted to see the Ferg Follies tape where Oxnard Doc (a 50+ year old BJJ student) comes in and offers to give him $1000 in cash he brought with him if Ferg could make Doc tap... man, the video clip from that is so funny.



BTW, isn't Alan huge now? In that footage, he is "normal" sized.

Alan had to have been in his teens in those vids. He is a big fella now... hmm... must be all the vitamins. Man, I have a lot of fights on tape, but really nothing is better than challenge matches, IMO. Talk about tension...

By the way... I want to see more ninja pics! Is that out of line?

BTW, DaveK, I e-mailed your hotmail account...

Byron Quick
May 14, 2002, 02:13 PM
I trained with Luke Molitor at Bud Malmstrom's dojo in Atlanta before Luke moved to Japan to train with Hatsumi sensei. He's pretty good. Ralph, on the other hand, is kinda weird.

DaveK
May 14, 2002, 03:20 PM
Just trying to hold a man to his word, Lawdog.

ATeaM
May 14, 2002, 04:33 PM
"By the way... I want to see more ninja pics! Is that out of line?"

Alright allright !...quit twisiting my arm Edit: I emailed it to you instead.

Skorzeny
May 14, 2002, 06:12 PM
krept:
Yep, the scary thing is, I think he's even competing in MMA matches. I've always wanted to see the Ferg Follies tape where Oxnard Doc (a 50+ year old BJJ student) comes in and offers to give him $1000 in cash he brought with him if Ferg could make Doc tap... man, the video clip from that is so funny. I'd like to see that. How's the "Prince" been doing at these MMA matches? Oh, wait, I've seen at least one match in which he ran the whole time and got a draw of sorts.
Alan had to have been in his teens in those vids. He is a big fella now... hmm... must be all the vitamins Uh, these "vitamins" wouldn't cause liver damage, would they?

As for this so-called personal vendetta business, anyone who cares to know what I think can PM me. I will not respond to, or discuss, this issue on public forums per moderator's request.

Skorzeny

DaveK
May 14, 2002, 09:28 PM
Mail is sent.

Sharp Phil
May 15, 2002, 08:13 PM
Hello, all. A helpful Web denizen sent me a link to this thread (in which I notice my web page is referenced -- thanks much for the ego boost ;) ).

It so happens I had a little Internet run-in with Mr. Severe myself:

Private Messages From Ralph Severe (http://home.att.net/~philelmore/kamiyama.html)

I provoked him, to be perfectly honest, but he doesn't strike me as very nice -- nor very professional.

LawDog
May 15, 2002, 08:54 PM
Welcome to TFL, Phil. Glad to have you aboard.

LawDog

krept
May 15, 2002, 09:52 PM
"I'm glad you are not one of my students.... Gloves on beating would begin.. "

ATeaM
May 15, 2002, 10:03 PM
LawDog, if it's not too much trouble, do you think you could delete all my posts on this thread ?

Thanks,

ATeaM

Skorzeny
May 15, 2002, 10:39 PM
Have I not always wondered out loud why there are so many frauds in the martial art and gun industries?

Is it something hormonal? Or is it that there are a lot of guys who draw their "manliness" from appearing to be super secret Ninja for the government?

I love what that SCARS website had to say about Spetsnaz Sambo: Soviet Spetnaz[sic]:


Recently the "fighter of the month club" has tried to push Soviet Spetnaz Fighting. This consists of some martial arts moves put together in a haphazard manner. Some of it is good and some bad. Bottom-line, the Soviets sent a KGB agent to attempt to research SCARS in the late '80s. NIS investigated and handled the incident. Since the fall of the Soviet empire much has come out about the poor state of readiness the Soviets were in and the inadequate training techniques they had. In hand to hand and hand to weapon fighting they fell far short. It is interesting that Moscow looks to western military professionals to head up training of security and military and law enforcement units . That should speak volumes about the effectiveness of Soviet training techniques. SCARS training will get you there faster and far more effectively than any other system out there.

I urge Jerry Petersen or whoever wrote this to visit Dynamo or other former Soviet Sambo and martial arts training clubs and issue such statements. These guys are monsters and have very little concepts of what pain means. I'd hate to run into one of these guys with a spade in an alley even if I had a gun.

ATeaM:

Why? I liked your posts - they were some of the most hilarious things here. Or do you now believe you must challenge and beat the Ninpo Master before you can enjoy a little humor at his expense?

Skorzeny

ATeaM
May 15, 2002, 11:28 PM
Skorzeny, master Kamiyama is too easy a target. He should be exposed, especially if he abuses his students, but I don't need to rub it in.

When I see his unibrow and pudgy face I'm reminded of that fat kid in grade school, you know...the one everyone bullied until finally he got red in the face and beat up the cool kid while crying like a girl ? That's master Kamiyama. Except now, he doesn't beat up the cool kid, he lights up a Luby's. Or tortures a student or two.

Can you imagine how embarrassing it would be to stumble on a thread like this where you are being excoriated publicly ? I'm sure he's used to it by now but damn...it's too much.

DaveK
May 15, 2002, 11:32 PM
Well, I see I've had some posts deleted as well, and without me even asking...

Sharp Phil
May 16, 2002, 03:36 PM
I received another message from Ralph just today, and added it to the ever-growing saga (http://home.att.net/~philelmore/kamiyama.html) on my web page.

I continue to be impressed by what a great guy and mature, professional teacher he must be.

Lousy_shot
May 16, 2002, 04:03 PM
Remember, the purpose of ninjas is to flip out and kill everyone.
http://www.realultimatepower.net



The above is to be taken on a humorous note, I wouldn't want some ninjutsu aficionado to flip out and kill me :D

Cheers
/Lousy Shot

Mike Weber
May 16, 2002, 04:36 PM
Welcome to TFL Phil:
I would have responded to your earlier post sooner but, I have just now recovered from rolling around on the floor laughing after reading the ACAMAC posts.:D I really enjoyed your threads on internet profiles, Trolls, VTGs, and Virtual Sensei's. Again welcome to the BB.

Mike:)

Mike Weber
May 16, 2002, 04:43 PM
That page is a RIOT Lousy Shot.:D But you must Beware of Unibrow.

Sharp Phil
May 16, 2002, 04:44 PM
Thanks, Mike.

I think I came close to having a seizure while trying to read the actual ACAMAC web site.

To this day I'm still not entirely sure what any of those messages to me is trying to say (though one of them is definitely a demand that I stop posting the mail to my web site's "Hate Mail" section).

At least ACAMAC is funny. Ralph is just wretched.

Skorzeny
May 16, 2002, 05:02 PM
Too too funny.

Skorzeny

krept
May 16, 2002, 06:57 PM
I wonder if anyone from the mma forum would have the stones to ask for a challenge match.

Chiburi
May 19, 2002, 01:55 PM
I'll shut the f**k up this time...why is it that there can't be a forum without arguing about Mr. Severe..he is even more famous than Hatsumi Sôke!

PS. I'm sick of seeing childish "threats" next to the Bujinkan logo.

No Peace nor Happiness :mad:,

krept
May 19, 2002, 10:58 PM
Hey man that's some pretty good stuff.

While I do have respect for the Bujinkan, that Savage stuff is a big detraction from the movement.
He seems easily off-centered. A trait that none of those who truly understand the arts portray - at least that I've known anyhow.

Lofland
May 24, 2002, 09:18 AM
Wow, I had no idea that Ralph's fame had spread so far and wide. The guys at the Otherground forum on the mixed martial arts Web site www.mma.tv have a whole library worth of Ralph Severe humor, after someone posted his Web site last year. One guy did a hliarious Macromedia Flash montage of Ralph's pics, set to the theme to "Conan the Barbarian." I'll try to get the link to it.

In Ralph's defense, though, I have to say if he did these AC/DC painting he can't be all bad, I'd like to have em!

http://www.artofcombat.com/photos/art/art048.jpg

http://www.artofcombat.com/photos/art/art057.jpg


In answer to the post that started this whole thread, if you want some no-BS hardcore training in Dallas, go to Machado Jiu-Jitsu, I think it's on Midway north of 635 somewhere. If you want to talk to students from every good martial arts school in Dallas, go to www.mma.tv and post on the Underground or Otherground forums.

Sharp Phil
May 24, 2002, 09:31 AM
One guy did a hliarious Macromedia Flash montage of Ralph's pics, set to the theme to "Conan the Barbarian." I'll try to get the link to it.

It would amuse me greatly to see that, if you can find it.

Mike Weber
May 24, 2002, 10:54 PM
I would love to see this Phil. I wonder if it will feature Master Kamiyama with his bullwhip and machete technique? http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/ninja.gif http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/knifed.gif

Lofland
May 25, 2002, 07:25 AM
Still waiting to get a reply to my requests for the link to the Ralph "Conan" montage, I'll post it as soon as I get it.

Lofland
May 25, 2002, 09:40 AM
Here it is! I don't know how to link it so it shows up automatically, please help!

http://www.satanjr.com/flash/ralph2.html

and a shorter one:

http://www.satanjr.com/flash/rve.swf


SatanJr has some other funny flash movies, such as the Elivis one, but it's kind of an inside joke for the Otherground Forum on www.mma.tv. Ralph has been Photoshopped by several people there. If I can find those pics I'll post them. The Otherground is great for martial arts humor by computer experts with way too much time on their hands.

C.R.Sam
May 25, 2002, 10:25 AM
Leave no duck unplucked.

The loud ones are easy to avoid.
Be wary of the quiet one in the corner. May be comatose, or may be deadly.

This has been a very interesting thread.

Sam

krept
May 25, 2002, 10:20 PM
Right on Sam, great quote.

Spectre
May 26, 2002, 12:27 AM
Ralph said some things a while back on e-budo that got some of us a mite perturbed. They were needlessly argumentative, baiting, ill-considered, insulting, obtuse, and in short, all things evil. ;) They are now gone from the "no holds barred" section, but I do seem to recall two of the better-known members here (who may or may not be currently masquerading as TFL Staff) were among the many who pointed out the inconsistencies in what he had to say. IIRC, this thread was just about the longest thread in the history of the world, and the only people who had anything positive to say about Ralphie were his personal students. (To give the briefest hint, Mr. Severe basically urged all citizens of countries with controlled access to weapons to rise up and kill their governing officials, then toward the end of the long thread, bragged about his association with various law enforcement groups in the US and UK. :confused: )

I, um, also seem to recall begging Mr. Severe to come see me, the next time he passed through Atlanta, with a waiver in his hand. :o

There are some good "x-kanners", but if you hear the word "ninjutsu" bandied about, beware. As an aside, Bud Malstrom is terrific. Train with him if you can.

krept
May 26, 2002, 02:47 PM
more people are into this than I thought.

a bird said it was studied by some operators (not the wannabe ones, but the ones currently working as such)?

Considering the Japanese at Pride events laughed at the term "ninja" I'm wondering what is going on.

Aren't the practitioners (even Hatsumi?) billing it as bujutsu and ninpo now? Sounds like they are trying to get away from the whole association with the term "ninja" and who can blame them?

Makes me wonder what the new buzzword will be to replace "tactical."

Spectre
May 28, 2002, 08:22 PM
Okay, maybe we should back up. The Bujinkan and Jinenkan both teach multiple systems (ryu, traditional lineages). In the case of the Bujinkan, there are 9 schools, and in the case of the Jinenkan, there are 7. Of these, only two are "ninjutsu" schools. Steven Hayes used the word "ninja" and "ninjutsu" a lot because the idea of this mystical Jedi Knight/Rambo mix got Americans' attention. It would be impossible for a modern day American to be a "ninja", just as it would be impossible for that same person to be a samurai. (Or a knight, in anything but title.)

Anyway, these systems do correctly fit into kobudo bujutsu, which is a way of saying traditional Japanese battle arts. Those interested are encouraged to go to the Jinenkan website (http://www.jinenkan.com/) or one of the many Bujinkan (http://www.bujinkan.com/) sites for more info.

krept, I would say serious practitioners of these arts like using the correct terms for what they're practicing, and also want to distance themselves from pretenders like Dux, "Ashida Kim", and the like.

Anthony
June 5, 2002, 11:05 PM
Hello Everyone,

Just thought I'd give all of you an update.

Went to observe a Shotokan Karate class at a local activity center, but was turned off by all the kids in the class. When I was about to leave I saw someone in a different style of uniform. So I asked what their class was. It turns out it is a Modern Arnis class taught by a local guy who does it part time for enjoyment. He really loves the art and does not teach children. He only charges $20 a month so I figured I couldn't miss by at least observing a class. Wow! I was overwhelmed!

Wonderful art! Extremely combat oriented!

Well I've taken three sessions now and I'm hooked!

Any thoughts on Modern Arnis?

- Anthony

krept
June 6, 2002, 01:57 PM
I personally think Arnis is awesome and would love to take classes if there were a school near me. Sounds like you were meant to find this guy. I'd like to hear updates as your training progresses, stuff you learn, etc.

Spectre
June 11, 2002, 08:24 PM
Good going, Anthony.

Don Gwinn
June 12, 2002, 01:58 PM
Anthony, since you asked, and keeping in mind that I'm not knowledgeable when it comes to martial arts, I would say to jump at the chance to study Arnis. This goes double if you like the instructor as much as you seem to. I just wish I could find someone teaching it here.

V42
June 13, 2002, 06:34 PM
Oh, Great, another forum to waste time on. And I wonder why I never train . . .

Anyway, for what it is worth I have met Ralph Severe several times and seen him train his students and he is a very proficient martial artist and was an okay guy to me. This of course says nothing about his conduct on the Internet, and I am afraid I wouldn't know a Ninja if I backed over one, which would be entiredly possible, since they always dress in that damn black and I might not see them if it was dark.

Now that Flash thing set to the theme of Conan the Barbarian was hilarious, however it upset my new puppy who started growling at it.

ATeaM
June 13, 2002, 07:38 PM
This thread is damn near 2 months old !