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nsf003
February 6, 2002, 08:53 PM
Can anyone give me some pros and cons on these guns.

Thanks
nsf003

stinger
February 6, 2002, 08:55 PM
try the search function, get back to us in a couple of days when you get done reading all of the posts.

chevy or ford, you pick.

LBC
February 6, 2002, 09:00 PM
I'll bite.

For me it came down to the location of the safety. I like the Mossberg's top safety. It's easier for me to manipulate with the shotgun mounted and my eye on the front bead. My finger is outside the trigger guard, not searching for Remington's cross button safety. I understand the 590A1 performed pretty well in the Army tests, too.

Oh yeah, and the slide lock release is very conveniently located under the trigger guard, too. Makes it easy (for me, I'm used to it) to mount, sight, release the slide lock to rack the slide, and off the safety all in one motion. The Mossberg slide releases pretty well on firing, too, making follow-up shots a breeze. I shoot a 20-gauge Model 500 with an 18.5" barrel, wood furniture, an AO front nightsight, and a butt cuff.

Ewok_Guy
February 6, 2002, 09:21 PM
I'd take a Mossberg over a Remington any day o the week!

DMK
February 6, 2002, 09:30 PM
For me it was the top mounted safety, the factory 7rd magazine and the mean looking heat shield that sold me on the Mossy.

Although I have to admit I could be talked into a Remmy Marine Magnum if the price was affordable.

SAWBONES
February 6, 2002, 09:45 PM
I own both.

The Remington 870 is WITHOUT DOUBT the better of the two.

A tighter and smoother action, and a heavier barrel are the main differences on the Rem 870 vs. the Mossy 500.

Nonetheless, the Mossy 500 is a fine shotgun, and will do everything you need it to do.
It just may not do it for as many decades as the Remington.

There are lots of accessories available for both guns.
Best.

Vang Comper
February 6, 2002, 11:25 PM
Come on guys!!! We all know the Mossy is a boat paddle :D

Jason280
February 7, 2002, 12:13 AM
I prefer the 870. The Remington is built a little more solid, with a little less rattle. The internals are staked in a little better on an 870, too. You'll know what I mean the first time you drop the trigger group out of the Mossberg. The bolt is a little more complicated than it should be in the Mossberg, but this isn't an issue since 99% of owner's will never take it out. Don't get me wrong, the Mossberg is still a good gun, but I would take the 870 first. I have two of them, an 870SP in Mossy Oak Break-Up for ducks/deer and another 870 Magnum for home defense.

psssniper
February 7, 2002, 01:56 AM
have an 870 and a 590 love 'em both, also love my benelli M1 and M3 shotguns are just too much fun!! go do yourself a favor and buy one of each, you'll be happy

Dave McC
February 7, 2002, 06:21 AM
The Mossie's a good shotgun.

The 870 is one of the all time greats.

The difference is whether it's your grandchildren or great grandchildren thinking it's getting a little loose. Buy what you like...

Jody Hudson
February 7, 2002, 07:36 AM
I have had them all and loved them all and shot them all a LOT.

My advice for most, if we are talking home defense, is the Mossberg as the 870 is no longer available with the long mag tube and I find the top safety and the slide release far better on the Mossy and that makes all the difference to me. I also have not found any difference in accuracy, group size or reliability in the two. From working in the gun shop there is far more elitism involved in owning the 870 as it it more expensive and has had a great reputation for longer. I have sold my 870s and now have 3 Mossberg 500s.

BlackJack
February 7, 2002, 08:59 AM
I bought an 8-shot Mossberg to use for home defense and IPSC shooting and found it to be an excellent gun for those purposes--light and easy to use, functions properly all the time, and looks good. But I sold it and bought a Rem 870 because I wanted to go to more rounds in the magazine and that's too hard to do with a Mossberg. My Rem 870 has a Choate mag extension so I can have 10 rds on board--pretty helpful for IPSC shooting and home defense too. However, the gun is heavier even before these modifications. Since I also carry my shotgun deer hunting from time to time, a little bit of weight becomes a lot of weight when you carry it for several hours a day. Both are excellent weapons and I'd own either. I like the Rem for what I'm doing right now.

9mmMike
February 7, 2002, 09:02 AM
"elitism involved in owning the 870"

Jody, you almost made me shoot hot java out of my nose with that! You're killing me! LOL!

My vote does go with the 870 by the by. I bought two used ones in the past year. They both had the silly mag tube dimples which were easily removed. They both now sport factory extensions.
I have handled but never shot a Mossy but it felt, well, less sturdy and just a tad sloppy to me. Now perhaps it was just this one Mossy but it was a very low mileage model and I would not expect it to tighten up.
I have no problem with the safety release on my 870's. I find them far easier to pop off with the second joint in my finger than reaching up (an unnatural postion IMO) for the Mossy safety.
The Mossy slide release is in a nicer place though.

Mike the elitist. ;)

Dave McC
February 7, 2002, 09:35 AM
Elitism, Joey? I guess you never ran across a Purdey owner, huh? Or one Ljutic owner I can think of.

Owning an 870 or several even doesn't make me an elitist. Owning the best is often the best choice...

And, the one used 500 I owned briefly did everything I wanted it to. BUT, I doubt it would have kept on doing that all these years. It rattled pretty good in near new condition inside.

Being an ex C&O security shotgun, it was dinged up on the outside but near new inside.

All in all tho, the 870 will outlast the 500 etc, under heavy use.Nothing outlasts the 870, based on actual use.

After about 4K of trap rounds in the last year, my TB is just getting broken in.

After 8-10K of use in my HD 870, mostly heavy loads,it's tight as a Swiss Watch.

After a lifetime total of rounds fired in various 870s, I cannot recall one single glitch, even with abused agency 870s.

Snob, elitist? No. Biased? Yes, 40 years of perfect performance will bias anyone....

K80Geoff
February 7, 2002, 09:52 AM
870:D

Preferably an older gun, that way they are broken in and work even better.

How many are out there now, is it 7 or 8 million?

fix
February 7, 2002, 10:37 AM
Any reason you're not considering the Winchester?

nascarnhlnra
February 7, 2002, 03:58 PM
Both are aewsome guns in my opinion I own a Mossberg 590 security model and am very happy with it. I like the ten year warranty from Mossberg. Remington has an excellent reputation from years past but I have heard from some that the new guns aren't as high quality as the old ones the express series anyway I also heard that Remington no longer has their own service dept they use service agents now. However I haven't heard of either make needing much along the lines of service.You can't go wrong either way ! Buy what fits YOU best.

LBC
February 7, 2002, 05:37 PM
As an aside, I believe the Mossberg 20-gauge I have has a steel receiver. The lockup is tight and there are no rattles, even with the single action bar. Best part? I paid $156 out the door for it (used) when my local shop had its 'once a year' sale. :)

Jody Hudson
February 7, 2002, 07:09 PM
Sorry... didn't mean to offend anyone with the "elitist" remark. Just the way customers have reacted to the Mossy in the gun shop most often.

Certainly the 870 is a fine shotgun, no doubt about that. I just like the 500 top safety better. Can I be out of trouble now??? :)

PS: just reached over and shook my 500 hard, worked the slide and shook it hard in every direction... not the slightest rattle or noise of any kind. Hmmmmm.

Not trying to convince anyone away from the 870 they love by the way.

Although we should probably NOT talk about dimple removal from what I understand... hint.

Hemicuda
February 7, 2002, 08:21 PM
Dimple removal? whazzat??? I bought a used 870 Marine Magnum... holds 8 rounds from the factory, with a factore tube extension, and has no discernable dimples...

Both are fine weapons, but the proven longevity of the 870...

LBC
February 7, 2002, 08:32 PM
The dimple is the sheet metal pimple that the factory puts in the magazine tube to prevent you from loading too many rounds. If you buy an aftermarket magazine extension, this has to be smoothed out in order to achieve maximum capacity.

Jody Hudson
February 7, 2002, 08:39 PM
OK, but is it legal to modify the dimples in order to change the gun... I am not an experty but I "suppose" not.

Adamantium
February 7, 2002, 09:59 PM
It's legal to remove the dimples. I dunno if it will void the warrenty on the gun or not.

I prefer the Moss 500 myself. The saftey and the slide release are in much nicer possitions and the shell follower resting intheup position makes the thing very easy to load compared to a 870. Thats all a matter of personal preferance though. I've also never seen a Mossberg that rattld anywhere near how bad they seem to rattle online, new or used. And I handle more than a few working behind the gun counter where I work, Mossbergs sell out our other shotguns at least 5:1.

870 Elitism? You should apoligize for you're lack of grammer skills. I thougt the correct terminology was "870 Snob" :).

Sincerely,
Adam

9mmMike
February 7, 2002, 10:00 PM
Hi Jody,
I was not offended at all about the elitist remark. I thought it was funny.
It's like saying my VW Thing is a Land Rover or my Racing Bug is a Porsche. LOL.
Regarding the dimples....
It is legal to remove them. I have spoken to Remington about these a couple times now and they have assured me that they are there for the express purpose of retaining the mag tube spring cup. They are NOT for limiting magazine capacity.
They were quite annoyed that I suggested that they were there for PC purposes in fact. It was kind of amusing.
There are no legal limits for mag capacity in pump shotguns except when taking them into the field for hunting and that is a State-by-State, if not county-by-county deal.
See ya,
Mike

Jody Hudson
February 7, 2002, 10:03 PM
Thanks 9mmMike!

scarman
February 8, 2002, 12:25 AM
I'v always been a fan of the 870. Although I have never tried a Mossberg. That is until recently. Someone broke into my home and walked off with my 870 and a few others.

So... I went out shopping and took a good hard look at the Mossberg. I ended up taking the Mossberg 835 over an 870. I wasn't real sure I was going to like the 835 but I wanted to give it a shot, so to speak.

I wasn't real happy with the new 870s I looked at. A lot of people seem to complain about the Mossberg rattling. I didn't find that the Mossberg rattled any more or less than any of the 870s I looked at. I don't think the new 870s I looked at were as good the one I bought 15 + years ago.

I've taken the 835 out for some crow shoot'n and so far I'm very pleased with it. I'm not missing the 870 too much. I had that 870 for 15 + years.

J. Parker
February 8, 2002, 12:33 AM
Got an old Western Field 12 gauge at a pawn shop last year. It had a 24" barrel with rifled sights. Well, it's actually a Mossberg 500 deer/slug shotgun marketed through Monkey Wards years ago.
Chopped the barrel down to 19" and now it's my woods/campin' gun this summer. I have no idea how old this thing is but it's still smooth as silk. Bein' a former deer/slug gun I'm sure it wasn't shot much but still I'm impressed.
Plus, I've got a short 12 gauge with purty wood...Best, J. Parker

Shotgun364
February 9, 2002, 01:39 AM
Remington=Cadillac Mossberg=Jeep :cool:



The first time I tried on a mossberg, I didnt like the feel against my body. And the action was not very smooth.
My 870 Marine Magnum fits well and feels right. The action slides like butter. I have put thousands of shells through it and it just gets better with age. 870 all the way :D

Shin-Tao
February 9, 2002, 10:30 AM
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Tropical Z
February 9, 2002, 12:07 PM
Shin-Tao,
We just want to know which ones better!;)

Shin-Tao
February 9, 2002, 12:48 PM
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