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kidcoltoutlaw
February 3, 2002, 04:10 PM
i read it needs to be tight but not to tight or you will get barrel spring back. what is it and how will i know when i have it right.i put a national match bushing on my springfield 1911a1 mil spec.it shoots like a shotgun.if this dont help looks like i will have to sell it to someone that does not care about its accuracy or lack of should i say,thanks,keith

stans
February 3, 2002, 08:37 PM
Springback occurs when the bushing is so tight around the barrel that the locking lugs on the barrel will not fully seat into the lugs on the slide without applying pressure to the bottom of the barrel. A tight bushing is not the only factor in an accurate 1911. You can have a perfect bushing fit on a poor barrel and still have poor accuracy. Sometimes you just have to break down and buy a match grade barrel.

kidcoltoutlaw
February 3, 2002, 08:50 PM
ok thanks the barrel is on a new springfield mil spec. bushing is kind of tight .if you take the barrel off and slip the bushing on it, it will not fall off if you hold the barrel up or down,also it will not slide by its own weight.

C.R.Sam
February 3, 2002, 10:50 PM
Before messin with it. Get ahold of Springfield customer service. Sounds like you have a good reason to send it back. They should pay the freight both ways.

Sam

johnwill
February 4, 2002, 09:12 AM
I'm not entirely sure you have a problem. If the bushing slides reasonably easily if you lube it, I'd try shooting it. I'll bet that there isn't a problem with the gun right now...

George Stringer
February 4, 2002, 09:26 AM
I agree with Johnwill. If the slide is going all the way into battery then you probably don't have a problem. George

Ledbetter
February 4, 2002, 02:11 PM
Is just nothing to write home about. Mine is probably the least accurate full size pistol I own. It locks up just as tight as my two other 1911s.

I suspect the barrel, which is two piece, is the weak link.

zot
February 4, 2002, 04:36 PM
do some of you mean ,the more you shoot it might improve accuarcy?and why are you putting a national match bushing in ?
I think their hard to tune, for me anyway.I'd shoot till it started
12 inch patterns, THEN send it back to SFA.:D

kidcoltoutlaw
February 4, 2002, 08:17 PM
so for 400 or 500 can wilson make it shoot 2 inches or less at 25 yards.should i sell it and get a sig p220st or maybe a wilson kz.got a friend that will give me 400 for the springfield.have not tried it since i did the bushing but if it dont shoot it has to go .to my friend or to wilson for work,thanks,keith

Ledbetter
February 4, 2002, 08:29 PM
This is another in a series of threads I've seen whose basis is "I put an unfitted part in my pistol and now it won't shoot for $#|+. I guess the pistol is no good."

Stop. Think.

Put the gun back in its original configuration and benchrest test it. Determine its baseline. No matter what, a SA Mil-Spec is not going to shoot like a pistol with a target barrel and bushing. However, you can replace and fit upgraded parts to improve the group size. The heart of any gun is its barrel. A 1911 needs the barrel and bushing to be fitted as a unit, IMHO.

Regards.

James K
February 5, 2002, 12:26 AM
The reason for a fitted barrel bushing is that it takes the play out in two places, the slide to bushing fit and the bushing to barrel fit. The job looks simpler than it is and an improperly fitted bushing can cause problems, as stans said.

But a properly fitted bushing will not solve other problems. If the slide is loose on the frame, if the rear of the barrel is not locking up tightly, if the link and barrel skirt fit is sloppy, if the barrel hood is poorly fitted, if the barrel is worn out, the gun will not shoot, regardless of the bushing.

Jim

johnwill
February 5, 2002, 10:15 AM
I suspect the barrel, which is two piece, is the weak link.

I hear this comment a lot, yet I've never had anyone actually explain to me why the Springfield barrels are so bad. I can't believe they could sell them for so many years if the two piece barrel was such a problem. Is this just an opinion, or do you have real evidence that the two piece barrel is inferior in design? I'm not trying to annoy anyone here, just trying to get an honest evaluation.

4V50 Gary
February 5, 2002, 10:35 AM
Besides a tight fitting barrel bushing, the length of the link is also critical to accuracy for a good barrel. As mentioned earlier, a good match barrel won't shoot consistently if it is inconsistently locked up. Hence the requirement for a tight link and tight fitting barrel bushing. Some even go further and tighten the frame and slide play.

Lassen College will be offering gunsmithing classes again this summer and one course will be on the Colt 1911 (June 24-28). Call them at 530-251-8808.

Ledbetter
February 5, 2002, 01:33 PM
I don't know if the barrel being made form two pieces is the reason why a Mil-Spec won't shoot 2"groups at 25 yards. Mine is in perfect condition as far as I can see and it shoots softball sized groups, which is about what I expected.

My above comment is based on a comparison of my Mil-Spec (which I have bench tested) to my other 1911s. The biggest difference between the guns that I can see is the quality of the barrel. My other two 1911s are Colts, one of which has two barrels, one threaded for a comp, the other not.

Regards.

M1911
February 5, 2002, 04:10 PM
Johnwill:

I don't know whether the two-piece barrel is the culprit, but my gunsmith believes that I will need to have it replaced before I'll get the accuracy I'm looking for in my Springfield. Put it this way, my groups with my Kimber Compact (4" barrel) were significantly better than those with my fullsize Springfield.

Kidcoltoutlaw:

There's no reason to sell that Springfield. There are probably hundreds of gunsmiths that can make it shoot accurately. But it may cost you a new, properly fitted barrel and bushing.

M1911

johnwill
February 5, 2002, 04:31 PM
There are a number of gunsmiths that will tell you the Springfield barrel is fine, and mine shoots 2" groups from a rest at 25 yards. I sent my Springfield to Mac Scott at SM&A for their tactical carry package. When I asked about a new barrel, he told me that there was nothing wrong with the Springfield barrel and to save that $150 for something that needed doing. I took his advice, and it seemed he was right, at least in my case.

James K
February 5, 2002, 05:50 PM
I doubt that the two piece barrel itself is the problem. Once those two pieces are put together right, they are effectively one piece and I have not heard of any problems. That does not mean that all two-piece barrels are good, any more than it means that all one piece barrels are good.

Jim

johnwill
February 5, 2002, 06:59 PM
Jim, I think you have just summed it up in one sentence! :)